BS: And the next US President will be

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 03:24 PM

The election (if it should happen) of either Clinton or Obama (in either order) would be beneficial long-term, in that it would open up a vast reservoir of potential candidates for the future, either women or "blacks". Then the barrier to overcome would be the acceptability of a Hispanic candidate.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 01:05 PM

I am ready to throw my fedora in the ring. Just say the word. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: heric
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 01:01 PM

But then, too, a man has got to know his limits. George Jr. should have declined, no matter how well the table was set for him. He is responsible for that.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:49 PM

I think you're right, Ebbie, that many people go into politics with high ideals. They hope to change things for the better, to make a difference. Then the $ySStem gets hold of them and it grinds them down and beats them into submission. It forces them to compromise themselves. The problem is the $ySStem itself, not the individuals who go into politics.

The $ySStem is a living thing (like all organizations). It was made artificially by people in the first place, but it's alive...like a computerized robot that never turns off. It operates to preserve and enlarge itself. It uses the various people who enter it the way a machine uses a pulley or a gear, and replaces them when they are worn out. The $ySStem lives longer than any of its human servants.

The problem is that the $ySStem has no heart, no soul, no real intelligence of its own...it simply has an appetite, and it has the will to perpetuate itself by whatever means possible. It's a mindless animal, in other words, and a dangerous one.

This is probably true of all large humanly-created institutions (governments, corporations, professional associations, churches, armed forces), and it is the bane of those idealists who attempt to work within them.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: heric
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:42 PM

Not a politican but a player. Power buyer / broker.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: heric
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:37 PM

Sorry John Moores of Peregrine.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:25 PM

heric,

You say: I'm sorry to say he was brought down by the most foul man in California "politics."

Can you be more specific. There are so many slimeballs in California politics to choose from.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: heric
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 11:49 AM

I had hopes for Richardson, but he is not competent to run the wrold's largest economy. Google Bill Richardson Peregrine, or check this . I'm sorry to say he was brought down by the most foul man in California "politics."

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 11:07 AM

Bill Richarson is a very qualified man, kat... Problem is that the American people don't have a good track record on electing folks who are not only smart but come into the job with big resume's...

Yeah, in a perfect world, we would be electing people who are qualified... Bill Richarson, of all the folks out there, is the ***most*** qualified to lead our country...

That's MO...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 10:33 AM

I hope folks will take a serious look at , Governor of New Mexico. If you go to his site, be sure to watch the "Stand Up" video.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 09:21 AM

In his last few months of Governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura was going around trying to make the case that the presidency should be changed to one six year term. I think he was right. The way it is now, the president spends most of his first year campaigning for a second term.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:58 AM

Assuming the opposing party gets in, I'm not giving up on the notion that things can be different.

Maybe a president is in office too long. It is my belief that people who are drawn to politics, by and large, go in with the desire to change things, to make a difference. It is only, according to my thesis, that #1, they discover that it is far harder to change entrenched things and #2, that there's a LOT of money to be made if they are willing to go along.

As they say, new brooms sweep clean. We need a new president.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 12:41 AM

Different member of the same ruling elite as ever. What does it matter who the exact person is.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 11:49 PM

Oh, but that's different.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 10:37 PM

I think Chongo did blow up the clubhouse of Chicago's   Northside Gorillas one time...

But he was provoked.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 09:22 PM

Yeah, I don't understand why Obama would blow up Boston or Atlanta.... Maybe I missed something???

Actually, I don't think Obama wants to blow up anything but maybe I'm wrong???

Maybe mg would like to elaborate???

Maybe not???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 05:47 PM

That is precisely why I suggested Chongo.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 04:19 PM

Wadda ya got now?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 04:18 PM

I say we try something non human.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 11:57 AM

Tom Tancredo

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 11:21 AM

Oh dear, and if George kicks the bucket during the 'proceedure' - due to a faulty heart and bad reactions...

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 01:23 AM

HA! The next President will be Dick Cheney. He's a real Dick. Bush is going to get things checked out. After Dick has had his faew hours in the sun, the President after that will be--yes, you guessed it, George W Bush. (Personally, I think it's got to do with replacing his batteries.)

Join us soon for another game of "Name that President"!

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 01:07 AM

Bill Clinton.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 11:49 PM

I know nothing of Atlanta but being a native Bostonian I don't see it either. Any further explantion about this comment?
My preference is a Hillary/Obama ticket.
At this point the presidency belongs to the Democrates unless they manage to really blow it in the stretch.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 11:00 PM

mg, I don't understand the Atlanta and Boston comment. What is the connection that I'm missing?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:45 PM

I would predict Obama..I think he would be excellent domestically but oops there goes Boston..there goes Atlanta...blown to smithereens...I don't think he would be good in a standoff, but I do think he would be good in other international facets of the job. I didn't like what he said about genocide...too bad for them...but it is true we are allowing other genocides to go on...mg

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:56 PM

Seen on a vehicle in New Hampshire: "Of course it hurts! You're being screwed by an elephant!"

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:14 PM

Yeah, I would consider Ron Paul... He opposed this stupid war since the very beginning...

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,Ron Paul for President
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:10 PM

Ron Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:03 PM

Now, Beezer, don't be that way...

I mean, htis is a very corrupt political system we have there an' we ain't gonne get a good president... That is a given...

So all we can hope for is the leastest of the evils... Yeah, if I had my druthers, it would be Dennis Kucinich and Oboma... As a compromise, yeah okay Edwards and Richrdson/Oboma... But I fear that ain't what it's going to come down to... By Feburary it will most likely be decided between Clinton v. Guiali or Thompson...

Tell ya what... If I'm right I think I might just go vote for the County Clerk of the Court who is my next door neighbor, vote against the corrupt Sherrif and abstaine for the rest of the bull...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:48 PM

Not even Bill Clinton had enough security clearence to be fully informed on UFO phenomenon.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:47 PM

Are you talking the media president or the real shadow president?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:44 PM

We have two fine exceptions in the current lemming run, one a white woman and one a black, or at least tan, man. Either one would be an improvement over the current crop of thieves and liars, IMHO.

A

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:12 PM

Ah, but it is mostly old, white men who run.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:00 PM

Fred Thompson is just another old white man. Fuck him!

NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:34 PM

The electorial deck is so heavilly stacked in the favor of the Repubs that I reckon that my fears of another Clinton in office ain't worth satying up at ngiht over...

Personally, I would love to see John Edwards win...

But realistically, the Dems still haven't broken the Southern Strategy so...

Fred Thompson... Who, BTW, will be a great improvement over the current lieing crooks...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:27 PM

There IS an alternative, at least in the US:

...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:23 PM

What I'd like to see in the next US President is wisdom, a quality in which the current one is sorely lacking. In fact, I haven't seen much in the way of wisdom coming from the middle-aged white men who've occupied the Oval Office in quite some time. Perhaps it's time to tell the middle-aged white men that they've had their chance and blown it, and that it's time to choose our leader from different stock. Personally, I'm leaning toward changing the "white" part, but if more folks think changing the "man" part is a better idea, I can live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,Jaybo
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:09 PM

Ron Paul I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 04:55 PM

"I'll decide that one is too conservative, the other too liberal, and I'll be too disgusted with the whole thing to give a damn. It's the same every year."

Naturally. Standard divide and conquer tactics, RangerSteve. It's a very clever $ySStem you have in the USA, because it appears to offer a genuine choice. We have a similarly clever $ySStem in Canada, but we appear to have 3 or more choices of party to vote for. Same BS, slightly different approach. Same end result.

The real alternatives are not there to vote for. The $ySStem makes sure of that by managing everything from the top down. The political parties are balanced building blocks in a single, money-controlled monolith. They play the "liberal/conservative" game to keep people mesmerized and divided against one another.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: RangerSteve
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 04:26 PM

It's too early for me to decide. I'll wait until after the conventions, when there's only one candidate for each party. Then I'll decide that one is too conservative, the other too liberal, and I'll be too disgusted with the whole thing to give a damn. It's the same every year.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 03:55 PM

So could I!

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 03:38 PM

NPR reported this morning that a guy in Massachuesettes wanted a ballot option of "None of the Above" and if NOTA won a new election was mandated.

I can fully support that, provided that all the candidates were new AND the current office holder(s) still had to leave office when their term expired.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:54 PM

"the American people do not like any of the top Democrat candidates"

Who are "the American people", pdq? You and your local barbecue club?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: pdq
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:15 PM

Sorry to tell some of you folks, but the American people do not like any of the top Democrat candidates,

The Republicans have three potential candidates who have proven great ability as executives: Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and George Pataki. One of these three will be the next president of the United States.

John McCain is the Republican most preferred by the news media and the Democrats, but his recent stand favoring amnesty for illegal immigrants has ended his viablility in the Republican party.

Fred Thompson is hugely popular in rural America. He is a true populist and therefore will be rejected by the entrenched interests in borth parties.

I'm almost certain the nominee (and therefore president) will be Mitt Romney. He has the best head of hair.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 01:33 PM

Thanks. I looked it up and have now read the story.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 01:05 PM

It was former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:54 PM

So who was it?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: heric
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:26 PM

I suppose several of you have seen the news headline about the Clinton camp's major donors reimbursing the great bulk of a competitor's campaign debt when he withdrew and threw his support to her. I forget his name.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:55 AM

Obama the Sin Laden, with Clinton as Vice-President (Bill I mean, he's proved he can do the vice).

Or how about Abe Lincoln, with Robert Kennedy as VP? What, they're dead? nobody tells me nothin.