BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Cryptic
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:41 PM

Will answer later, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Cryptic
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:38 PM

Point well taken, CarolC. However, we all get our information from a myriad of sources. You must have lunch (as I have) with several people who have been there. Why believe what I say?

Clinics,
schools,
Medical centers,
Young girls and women now going to school.
More air conditioning, appliances, etc. than ever before which has been the cause of some electrical blackouts. (now eliminated)

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:33 PM

Well, Cryptic, why not make yourself a membership using this fine handle, so we can have a reg'l'ar conversation? You obviously have a sense of humor in spite of your wayward convictions, so we could probably get along all right! :D

Lessee...policy: facing an oil crisis caused by a century or more of massive build-up of an oil-dependent technology base, remedy the situation by unilaterally invading a foreign land that can only postpone the problem, rather than address the source of the problem; in doing so, create an aberrated solution that adds a great deal of suffering to the country one is repsonsible for, and costs thousands of lives in the country one is invading.

Policy: As the inheritor of a balanced budget, throw the nation into unprecedented deficit spending that will fiscally burden our heirs for ten generations OR ruin the credit of the nation whren they welch on the instruments of said debt.

Policy: While throwing fiscal prudence to the winds, ALSO reduce the net revenues of the Federal government by providing for major tax breaks for anyone sufficiently above the average in income.

Policy: WHen faced with irrefutable evidence of dramatic climatic change signficantly exacerbated by human impacts, create supercilious invalidations of the science involved as a justifications for refusing toparticpate in remedial efforts by othe rnations.

Policy: As the inheritor of the world's greatest experiment in human dignity and civil rights since Athens, the United States Constitution, threaten to trivialize it by making it a vehicle for narrowminded moral judgements impinging on the private lives of citizens.

These are all first-rate examples of psychosis in my opinion. All of them can be laid squarely at the feet of the Bush machine. He has been the most ruinous President we have ever had. He is glib, scurrilous, illiterate and ill-mannered.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:09 PM

My own opinion, GUEST,Cryptic, is that we can look to the methods used in this military adventure (as with Bosnia) to tell us what the real agenda was/is behind the US led invasion and occupation of Iraq. If humanitarian concerns were the primary agenda, the people of Iraq would be experiencing less suffering now than they did under Saddam.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Cryptic
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 05:47 PM

Amos, I am Cryptic, hear me snivel!

I think it is unfair to refer to me as nameless now. What is an Amos?
But I do agree to some sort of an identity reference.
My comment with regard to "agressive foreign policy" was due to WJC not having one. I agree it is not a great way to run the world.
However, I do not think the policy of GWB is psychotic.

You were no doubt not in favor of Viet Nam as there is less
discussion to be had on the viability of that debacle.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Cryptic
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 05:35 PM

Excellent insight, CarolC - But at the risk of being called a Bushite (again), I am going to wait to ascertain what the outcome of the current campaign demonstrates.

I am a mediocre conservative, somewhat in favor of the current action,
but very disturbed in several of the aspects in which it is being waged.

(whatever that means - difficult to really know what is going on)

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:10 PM

Clinton and Bush are cut from the same cloth. The main difference is that Bush is a lot more out in the open about it than Clinton. But they both sold their souls to the devil and waged war for the wrong reasons.

I stopped believing that Bosnia was a humanitarian mission when I learned that depleted uranium was used in civilian population areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:07 PM

Aggressive foreign policy is no virtue in itself, nameless one. Intelligent understanding of foreign cultures and politics, good assessment of the correct level of effort, understnading PR techniques, and a desire to never have to use violence if it can be avoided (but knowing when it cannot be avoided) are far better criteria.

Bush's foreign policy has been aggressive enough to be deemed psychotic.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Cryptic
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

Touchy, touchy, touchy!

Resorting to name calling is an indication of no real fact or even rumors.

Do you not remember that "Wag the Dog" was a sucessful movie?
Primarily based on the blowing up of an Aspirin factory and shooting a Camel in the ass with a $1,000,000+ Cruise missle. Oh, and the taking out of two tents belonging goat herders.

But(t), it did take Monica off the airwaves for a few days.

....and thank you for the Oxymoron of the year;
Clinton's "Agressive Foreign Policy".

And don't try to bounce back with Bosnia - we still have troops there and the place is still a mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:46 AM

And when Clinton did attack, you morons screamed "Wag the Dog"....

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:21 AM

Ghost--


Pretty feeble--can't you do better? So--US soldiers are not US citizens--you might note they have in fact been attacked since 2001.

And--it's fine for our "Coalition partners" to be attacked? If all you're saying is that there have been no attacks on the US at home since 2001, then

1) that's meaningless, considering how many serious attacks there have been on our "partners"

or

2) it shows clearly how much the "Coalition" means to you Bushites--the classic 'I'm all right, Jack' attitude--perfect Bushite.

To keep your perfect record of complete nonsense,(congratulations) you're also wrong about Clinton. You've conveniently forgotten (funny how that happens) about Clinton's cruise missile attacks on bin Laden in Aug 1998, and the attack on a suspected chemical weapons factory in Sudan. The fact that the Sudan plant turned out to not be a chemical weapons plant does not negate Clinton's aggressive foreign policy.

However, congratulations, you get the last word. I don't waste my time shadow-boxing with ghosts. Get a handle and I'll be glad to continue--but otherwise, enjoy your soliloquy.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 07:24 PM

I am the Guest you refered to as "cryptic". I thought naming London and Madrid as Ron did would be enough of a clue for anyone. Obviously I over estimated one or two of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 07:14 PM

Presumably that was a GUEST who has posted before, but the price to pay for being a nameless GUEST is that they aren't actually identified with previous posts, so can't enter properly into any kind of continuing conversation...

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 06:40 PM

I don't think I know anyone who has "lost track of what really
matters in life". We, or most of us, have to 'grow up' and take on new directions. Along with that, I find that there is more to do and have fun with today than 35 years ago.

And, one more time, my comments with regard to US property and citizens have nothing to do with London, Madrid or the North Pole.
Ron, I did not lose, rather you are simply lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 06:18 PM

Keep on wearing what feels right for you, and sooner or later there'll be other people wearing that kind of stuff again. That goes from principles as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Rainbeau Leigh
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 04:49 PM

I am so proud today.

My young daughter looked so cute as she headed off to TX to lend her voice to this protest. I nearly cried as she wiggled into my old hip-hugger bluejeans (complete with an old pack of Zig-Zags still in the pocket here these thirty-five long years later!). She said that, with her wearing my old jeans, it'd be just like me being there -- on the front lines again.

I am so tickled that fashion has recycled in such a timely manner. She not only looked cute in my old jeans -- she fit in perfectly with her friends who are accompanying her. Though all theirs were new, her friends were wearing almost exactly the same kind of jeans!

I finished her ensemble with a peace symbol medalion that I used to wear. It hung over her tie-die halter top. Her boyfriend is going with her (I pulled him aside and gave him a couple of packs of Trojans to take with them -- I know how these protest parties can be at night after a long day of, you know, protesting).

With his sideburns and long hair he reminded me so much of one of the boys I used to hang out at protests with. He had those great long sideburns. Man, could he party!

I get so nostalgic for those good old days. Life has kinda lost meaning since then -- I mean, it was only a few short years and people were wearing Izod and designer labels -- losing complete track of what really matters in life. Then everyone had to get jobs and stuff and it has just never as fun since. And, as good as I used to look in my peasant skirts and gypsy shirts, I just looked silly in Calvin Klien.

I'm so glad my daughter has been able to grow up in another era when things matter! ...when she can have something to believe in and look good while doing it!

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 04:32 PM

Amos beat me to it. Here is a link to the story and there's a photo.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 09:48 AM

Folk Singer Supports Anti-War Protesters

By ANGELA K. BROWN
The Associated Press
Monday, August 22, 2005; 5:48 AM

CRAWFORD, Texas -- Joan Baez was against the Vietnam War and she showed it _ appearing at marches, once even blocking the entrance of a military induction center.

The folk singer is against the Iraq war, too, and she showed her support Sunday to protesters camping out near President Bush's ranch.



Peace activist and singer Joan Baez arrives at Cindy Sheehan's anti-war camp near President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005. (AP Photo/LM Otero) (Lm Otero - AP)
Baez took to the stage for about 500 people on an acre lot offered by a landowner who opposes the war, performing such classic peace anthems as "Song of Peace," "Where Have All the Flowers Gone" and "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot."

Not far away is the camp started by Cindy Seehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq.

"In the first march I went to (opposing Vietnam) there were 10 of us. This is huge," Baez told the relatives of fallen soldiers before performing just up the road from the ranch.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:39 PM

"Cryptic" is being kind. But let's see what explanation they come up with.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:18 PM

What does "everything has been localized into Iraq" actually mean? A bit cryptic.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:01 PM

"Ghost" (you're no guest)--

Sorry, you lose again. Perhaps you'd like to do some research this time before shooting from the hip again. Your extra credit question is: were the London and Madrid attacks before or after 11 Sept 2001?

After (pick a number of incidents) ending on September 11 2001, everything has been "localized into Iraq". I repeat---------wrong. Unless your geographical knowledge is wonderful as your logic--and you've somehow managed to locate Madrid and London in Iraq. If so, congratulations on your imaginative approach. Too bad the facts are against you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:45 PM

Speaking of "observant", try to be more precise in your reading as I quote from my post "after 8 incidents againt the US and or its citizens during that 9 year period ending on September 11th".

I am not a "Bushite" whatever that may entail and I also don't ignore the rest of the world as some here would have a person to think. I was simply contraidicting a few in these hallowed halls.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:28 PM

"There's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids upon the death of their loved one. Others hug but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug and that's me and I know what it's like." - President George W. Bush (Washington DC, 12/11/02

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 12:40 PM

"everything localized into Iraq"--you must be a Bushite--not very observant.

Everything's fine in London, Spain, Afghanistan, etc.?

Typically Bushite--as long as there's no direct attack on the US, that's fine with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 12:27 PM

I think I agree with Guest "G" - after 8 incidents against the US and or its' citizens during that 9 year period ending on September 11th, everything has been localized into Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:38 AM

Does anyone hear remember the Twin Towers

What on Earth does that have to do with the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

Apart from serving as a kind of reward for the people who brought down the Twin Towers, promoting their ideology, and generally helped them strenbgthen their influence.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:55 AM

Donuel--

Where was Bush born? He ain't no Texan. Connecticut has a better claim (if it wants one).

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:43 AM

Yesterday (fellow Texan) Lance Armstrong narrowly averted being wiped out by GWB while they mountain biked all over the Bush ranch compound.
The Discovery channel filmed their entire excursion which passed very close to "camp" Sheehan.

Lance recently expressed an interest in entering politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:41 AM

Daylia--

It certainly is true that some of the more messianic religious Right are actually looking forward to Armageddon, and that could tie in with a nuclear war, possibly starting in the Mideast.

But just ask yourself--do you think Israelis would look forward to it?

And as far as the Iraq war being fought for Israel, which is actually pulling Bush's strings,--as I said, that fits perfectly with Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which as you know was a turn of the 19th century screed, which has been used to justify anti-Semitism ever since. Don't be sucked into it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:31 AM

We are entering the time when all the evil in the mud begins to hatch out.
IT will be the most perilous time of all when the most guilty become the most desperate.

Stories coming to public attention include: a Mother's grief and anger, the DOD project Able Bravo (in charge of investigating Al Quada) was shut down in June 2001, John O'Neal of the FBI was taken off the case of Al Quada terrorism in early 2001 and effectively removed from the FBI - he warned of the impending attack and died on 9-11 as head of the private security for the WTC.

These stories will eventually dwarf the Rove treason gate scandal.

The desperation of those who wish to silence the screams of those who have suffered the open wounds of this administration have always had one reliable weapon; fear generated by an attack.

It matters little if they make it happen or let it happen, the result will be the same. In my opinion the neo con war machine has no choice but to revisit an attack on American soil if they wish to silence all dissent, witnesses and detractors of the policy of full blown war and invasion including the use of nuclear weapons.

I will not be here to say I told you so. All you will hear that will remind you of this prediction are two words:

Code Red.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:42 AM

Tarheel--first, I AM a mudcat member. My "cookies " have been lost twice in recent tech glitches. Since I do not personally know you, I cannot be expected to know for sure of your status in the matter of family, etc.. So it transpires that you are a family man, and married for a truly respectable length of time. That I may in any way have given concern to any innocent member of your family, I apologise unreservedly. I do not, however intend to withdraw any slightest part of my opinions . You wish the world to know that you are proud of your family's commitment to Bush's armed forces? Fair enough---but do not expect all others to come even close to applauding such a commitment.
   And please let my immortal soul be my own concern. I believe that your war-leader himself claims to be a "born again christian". I'm with Robert Burns on that score; "If such as he in Heaven may be, then welcome, hail damnation!"
   I am a Christian. I have always been a Christian, and never had the need for "rebirth". I shall make a point of re-affirming my mudcat membership, and you may p/m. me with whatever your further comment might be.
Boab

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:36 PM

Terry Allan Hall, haven't seen you here in ages!! Good to hear from you and that is great news about the folks of Crawford. Thanks for letting us know!

In Peace,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,*daylia*
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

Or maybe it's the world Canadian conspiracy-- to clog all the world's computers by overloading with news and speculation about golden-throat former sci-fi stars.

LOL   at least we have rockhard evidence of that, right here on Mudcat!

"My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him.

Interesting how even Cindy uses the phrase 'evil cabal'. To requote the second article in my 8:45 post above:

...today many religious fundamentalist leaders are predicating their positions on the Near East, particularly Israel/Palestine, on a desire for an apocalyptic battle of titanic proportions in the region. This has led to an unholy alliance between the Zionist neocons and the largely Protestant fundamentalist right in the U.S ... These Christian fundamentalists want to see Armageddon, even if it means nuclear war in the Near East; they want to see the "Second Coming" and the end of the world. And they know to play on the deep religiosity that pervades this country, where, according to a recent Gallup Poll, some 42 percent of Americans describe themselves as "born again" or evangelical Christians.

Sorry, I just don't see the same level of absurdity in this line of reasoning as others do. Or in the possibility that Iraq was invaded and occupied by the US, in order to "liberate" the Iraqi oilfields for Israel's consumption.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:29 PM

GEt it said, gurl!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 02:38 PM

See this excerpt from Cindy Sheehan's latest entry to her diary on dailykos:

"...Contrary to what the main stream media thinks, I did not just fall off a pumpkin truck in Crawford, Tx. on that scorchingly hot day two weeks ago. I have been writing, speaking, testifying in front of Congressional committees, lobbying Congress, and doing interviews for over a year now. I have been pretty well known in the progressive, peace community and I had many, many supporters before I even left California. The people who supported me did so because they know that I uncompromisingly tell the truth about this war. I have stood up and said: "My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him. My son was sent to fight in a war that had no basis in reality and was killed for it." I have never said "pretty please" or "thank you." I have never said anything wishy-washy like he uses "Patriotic Rhetoric." I say my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING. The Downing Street Memos dated 23 July, 2002 prove that he knew that Saddam didn't have WMD's or any ties to Al Qaeda. I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric. He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. Now he is using patriotic rhetoric to keep the U.S. military presence in Iraq: Patriotic rhetoric that is based on greed and nothing else.

Now I am being vilified and dragged through the mud by the righties and so-called "fair and balanced" main stream media who are afraid of the truth and can't face someone who tells it by telling any truth of their own. Now they have to twist, distort, lie, and scrutinize anything I have ever said when they never scrutinize anything that George Bush said or is saying. Instead of asking George or Scotty McClellan if he will meet with me, why aren't they asking the questions they should have been asking all along: "Why are our young people fighting, dying, and killing in Iraq? What is this noble cause you are sending our young people to Iraq for? What do you hope to accomplish there? Why did you tell us there were WMD's and ties to Al Qaeda when you knew there weren't? Why did you lie to us? Why did you lie to the American people? Why did you lie to the world? Why are our nation's children still in harm's way and dying everyday when we all know you lied? Why do you continually say we have to `complete the mission' when you know damn well you have no idea what that mission is and you can change it at will like you change your cowboy shirts?"

Camp Casey has grown and prospered and survived all attacks and challenges because America is sick and tired of liars and hypocrites and we want the answers to the tough questions that I was the first to dare ask. THIS is George Bush's accountability moment and he is failing...miserably...."

-snip-

Click HERE for more.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

Also, Daylia--

That absurd article you posted is the just the latest offshoot of the "The Protocols of the Elders of ZIon". As Amos says, the world Estonian conspiracy is just as likely. Or maybe it's the world Canadian conspiracy-- to clog all the world's computers by overloading with news and speculation about golden-throat former sci-fi stars.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:07 PM

Guest G--

If you think that Bush's invasion of Iraq has helped on the "terriost" (sic) front, it's time for you to start thinking, though that may be an unnatural act for Bushites.

Rather than help, it has, by giving Osama et al. lots of footage of dead women and children--and lots of "infidels" in Iraq, been the best recruiting tool he and other anti-Westerners could hope to have---and we are seeing the results in London and elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:35 AM

Terry -- very glad to hear that!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,Terry Allan Hall
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:12 AM

Living about 3 1/2 hours away from Crawford, a few of us have made a trip down there on two occasions to take Ms. Sheehan bottled water, soda and other non-perishables, and to let her know that we appreciate her efforts.

One of the most interestings things (to me, anyway) is to find out how many of the residents of Crawford support her stance and think "Dubya" is a National Embarrassment!

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:35 AM

The ZIonist hypothesis is just bull, in my humble opinion. Jewish people have a lot of influence in America, but so does that other cult, the Protestants, for example. You never hear about the Protestant conspiracy (well, not as often, anyway). And then there is the Hispanic conspiracy, and the Catholic conspiracy, and the Estonian conspiracy.

It is unlikely Sharon said that, and if he did, I suggest he was bragging.

THe articles are just rants.   

A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:15 AM

Azizi, those aren't my own personal conclusions. I really don't know what to make of the articles I just posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:11 AM

Sorry "George E Bush" {Georgie??} should be "George W Bush".

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:08 AM

For the record, I wrote my last post before reading daylia's post.
And I'm not sure that I agree with her conclusions that the Iraqi war is being fought because of Israeli Zionism.

I think that this war was started to get a hold of Iraqi oil.
I also believe that Bush's decision to go to war with Iraq had something to do with the fact that his father had decided not to continue his Desert Storm war into Iraq. Maybe George W felt that here was his opportunity to be a war president just like his father, and to prove that he was "tougher" than his father by doing what his father decided not to do..

Of course this is all speculation. I'm no pyschologist, but I'm sure that pyschologists in the future will have alot of material to work on theorizing what made George E. Bush tick.

But in the here and now people are dying and being badly injured because of this war.

It's time that the Americans knew the true reason {s} we went to war and what our exit plan is.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:53 AM

Cindy Sheehan is certainly the catalyst, but this vigil and the question she wants to ask George W. Bush [What was the noble cause in Iraq that resulted in her son's death?] is one that many other Gold Star families are asking.

And more and more people are asking why Americans, Iraqis, British, and other people are dying as a result of this war.

After all 911 has nothing to do with the Iraqis. Osama Bin Ladin was the master mind behind that tragedy and he has still not been captured.

And after all no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq {other then the one's we're using]. And Saddam's been captured. So what's the real reason the USA started a war with Iraq? Why have so many people died and have been terribly injured? And why are we still in Iraq??

It wouldn't have anything to do with Iraq's oil would it???

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:45 AM

Right on, Bobert. And this article poses an interesting question - Is THIS the glorious cause Casey Sheehan died for??

THE WAR FOR ISRAEL - (and you thought the oil was for the U.S.)

You are looking at the reason for the war against Iraq. This war is being fought for Ariel Sharon and for Israel's strategic benefit!

That's what Israel does. It has its intelligence organization, Mossad, carry out false flag operations and deceives others into attacking their enemies. In short they get others to fight their wars for them....

Israel is in the midst of its plan to use the United States military, which it controls, to conquer Iraq and divert Iraqi oil to the Haifa refinery via the Mosul to Haifa pipeline. The U.S. has built airbases at H2 and H3 (which stand for Haifa 2 and Haifa 3) to protect this strategic pipeline. The pipeline is intact, fully operational, and is being used to covertly send oil to Israel. Paid for with the blood of American soldiers that die in Iraq.

Iraq is being turned into another Palestine state for Israel.

This war was fought in order to secure Israel's future. Israel, being a parasite nation, needed to create an income stream that would continue if funding from the United States should dry up. They have been working on the plan to steal Iraqi oil for years. Read Israel's Blitzkrieg on Middle East Oil by Joe Vialls for more on this.

To quote Mr. Vialls article, "... they are already planning to steal 1,825 million barrels of Iraqi oil per annum. Taking a nominal price of US $25.00 per barrel ... the Israeli-Jewish terrorists stand to make a cool US $45,625,000,000.00 each year .... " [Thats over 45 1/2 Billion dollars a year or $125 million each day!!!]...

Zionist forces are in control of the United States. When Ariel Sharon said:

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

(Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael)

-- it was no idle chatter. He was telling the truth. They have gained control through the Federal Reserve System controlling the banks. They are also firmly in control in England. Hence the 2 allies will unite to fight a good fight for the greater good of Israel... "


?????? wow, that's quite the chilling analysis. But put it together with this, from the blogsphere, and see how we end up in a real 'Deep Freeze':


http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/index.php/BreakWithDemocrats

The Bush cabal that occupies the White House is fanatical, arrogant and believes it is doing the work of God. One would think the U.S. were some kind of theocratic state given all the heavy emphasis on religion. Newspaper articles detail how God supposedly told evangelist Pat Robertson that the Iraq war would entail heavy casualties. Bush supporters testify that they believe that through Bush, "God is in the White House." There is an open disdain for facts and reality. A New York Times Magazine (17 October) article by Ron Suskind describes how a senior Bush advisor told Suskind that "guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore'."

Suskind points out that Bush does not have to claim that he is ordained by God; others do it for him. He quotes zealous Bush supporter Hardy Billington declaring, "God gave us this president to be the man to protect the nation at this time."

"We may be that generation that sees Armageddon," Ronald Reagan infamously remarked. Though Reagan was probably thinking of a nuclear showdown with the Soviet Union, today many religious fundamentalist leaders are predicating their positions on the Near East, particularly Israel/Palestine, on a desire for an apocalyptic battle of titanic proportions in the region. This has led to an unholy alliance between the Zionist neocons and the largely Protestant fundamentalist right in the U.S. The two groups have drawn together in spite of the anti-Semitism of the bible-thumpers—Pat Robertson, for example, an ardent supporter of Israel, assigns Jews a role in his imagined conspiracy spelled out in his book The New World Order that reminds one of the lies in the anti-Semitic screed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

These Christian fundamentalists want to see Armageddon, even if it means nuclear war in the Near East; they want to see the "Second Coming" and the end of the world. And they know to play on the deep religiosity that pervades this country, where, according to a recent Gallup Poll, some 42 percent of Americans describe themselves as "born again" or evangelical Christians. It is not an accident that gay marriage is blown up into some huge supposed threat to civilization as we know it, pushing the ever-popular hot buttons of American religious mania and sexual hysteria.

The fanatical religiosity of the Bush administration, its war-crazed policies, its supreme imperial arrogance and its attacks on the rights of labor and black people have produced a sharp polarization in this country. "When it comes to policy," the New York Times (26 October) noted, Bush "has done more than any president in recent history to advance the agenda of Christian social conservatives. ..


Egads. Will we EVER know the truth??? But the upside is, according to polls I read this morning, over 60% of Americans are behind Cindy, only 33% against. Way to go, America!    :-D   you can do this you can do this you can do this you can do this....

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:09 AM

No, GUEST, G, she is a pawn of both the radical left AND Bush's PR team because no one is really talkin' about why in the hell we are in Iraq??? That is good news fir Bush because he doesn't seem to have an answer and all the ones he has thrown at us in the past have turned out to be fabrications...

BTW, 9/11 is *not* an answer... Iraq was not responsible... Saudi's were...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: GUEST,G
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM

Does anyone hear remember the Twin Towers. I am sorry that Ms. Cindy lost her son - but there were 1100 innocent families that never got so much as a DNA sample to bury. She did.
Maybe it was time for action. There were 8 documented and reported terriost attacks against the US during WJCs tenure, each involving a loss of life. The action taken was mostly on a legal basis which the enemy has no concept

Cindy versus Bush? Ridiculous!! Her right to protest is guaranteed. The promise of results is not. She is merely a blip on the temporary radar screen and will fade from view. I am sorry to say but I now think she is merely a pawn of the radical Left. Moveon.org, American Socilaist Party, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:03 PM

"System of a Down"?? What -- Microsoft's next release?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:01 PM

What is the noble cause people are dying for?


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Maybe I finally got #100??!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan: A Mother's Love
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:59 PM

See this online article of two Gold Star Mothers who are joining the vigil in Crawford, Texas:

"Ga. Moms Protest at Bush's Ranch

It is traveling day for Evelyn Allen and Patricia Roberts, two mothers who lost their sons to the war in Iraq.

"We just don't know the truth behind the war," Allen told 11Alive's Jerry Carnes "We're at a standstill. Why is it going on? We want to know why."

Allen is the mother of Jonathan Shields who was 25 when he died in Iraq. Patricia Roberts is the mother of Jamaal Addison, who was killed at the age of 23. The mothers boarded a plane at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson Airport, bound for Crawford, Texas. They've joined in a protest there in front of President Bush's Texas ranch, demanding that president Bush end the war.

"I've never heard from the President," said Roberts. "He's never sent his condolences and never acknowledged my son personally, and that's what I ask of him."

Civil rights leaders, including Rev. Joseph Lowery and John Evans, also made the trip.

"This trip isn't about who Bush is," said Rev. Lowery. "It's about who we the people are, and we are the people who call for an end to the slaughter."

In the same airport, at virtually the same time, hundreds of soldiers lined up for their trip to the Middle East. Sgt. Carnell Lee said goodbye to his wife and daughter.

"I can understand their grief because we're losing soldiers over there," said Sgt. Lee said of the protesting mothers. "But, we've still have a mission over there and we still have to complete that mission before we come back."

Sgt. Curtis Hodges said grief can't interfere with unfinished work.

"Let us do our job," said Sgt. Hodges. "Let us do our job and complete the mission, and when the mission is done, we'll come home."

Protesters say if Bush doesn't bring American soldiers home, they will demand that congress end their financing of the war."

http://11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=68052