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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 09 - 09:43 PM More snidities, there GfS. When I mentioned Grey's Anatomy, I was not referring to the television series. In fact, I didn't even think of the television series (I've never watched it). I was referring to the standard medical school textbook and a reference book that at least used to be in every doctor's office. Perhaps if you studied a copy of the textbook, you might actually be able to locate your butt. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 09 - 09:37 PM Short memory there, GfS. You were hacking at me right from the start, and as a gentleman of my age, I've learn that it's best to step on snide remarks when they first start, otherwise they tend to escalate. And I don't need any lessons from you in matters of decency. Again, physician, heal thyself! I'm trying to stick to the subject. You're the one who thinks you can make debating points by try to admonish me. That's known as the fallacy of the "Appeal to Pity." Trying to discredit a person's argument by claiming that that person is being mean to you. Don't keep attacking me if you don't want me to retaliate. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Nov 09 - 08:32 PM Don:'No, GtS, just because you can't find your own butt with both hands and an copy of Grey's Anatomy doesn't mean it isn't there.' Mr.Firth, I did not attack you in any way, nor made crude comments concerning you in any way. Matter of fact, you're the one who came out swinging at me, unprovoked. I think a gentleman, at your age, should know better. Perhaps showing a better example of decency, in a forum, or in any public arena, of exchanging ideas, might present yourself, as a little more convincing, that you might have something of value to add. Nonetheless, Regards,..GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 09 - 08:27 PM There is evidence to support the theory that, no matter what physical equipment a fetus is endowed with (determined by XX or XY chromosomes), what determines its sexual orientation is the timing of an infusion of hormones. When and how much. Not unlike a recipe. Oftentimes how a recipe works out depends on when and/or how much of a particular ingredient is added. This may have to do with the genetic make-up of the mother. And this mis-timing may not happen with every child she bears. Hence, with three sons and a daughter, say, two sons and the daughter are heterosexual and one son is same-sex oriented. This could also account for identical twins (presumably genetically identical) when one is heterosexual and the other is homosexual. For some reason, one of the fetuses receives the "prescribed" dose of the necessary hormone, and the other does not. So in examining homosexual males for a "gay gene," researchers may be looking in the wrong place. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Nov 09 - 07:47 PM Looks like this thread fell at the first fence! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 09 - 05:44 PM It seems reasonable to speculate that most aspects of how we are have some kind of relation to our genetic make-up, but that's not the same as there being genes that determine what we do. How a tree grows is affected by its genome, but also various other factors, such as the soil in which it grows and the way the wind blows and the rain falls. I can't see that if there's an element of choice in how people behave sexually that is something to be uncomfortable about. In fact the idea that there isn't is a bit alarming. Even threatening, opening vistas of eugenic "cleansing". |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Ebbie Date: 05 Nov 09 - 05:29 PM "t has seemed to me for years that those who are repelled by homosexuality and/or were brought up in opposition to it..often in religious circumstances, will look for any justification for the claim that it is 'abnormal' or 'against nature' or 'perverted' or whatever phrase they prefer. In contrast, many of the researchers who are finding the evidence I refer to are NOT gay, and have only an interest in 'good science'." Bill D I agree with you, Bill, but to take it further: It is not only those who are repelled by homosexuality and/or were brought up in opposition... often in religious circumstances' etc; sadly, it evidently also applies to those who are drawn to same sex sexuality and are torn between feeling that it is wrong, a sin, a direct slap at their parents and the church, and the acting out of the deepest compulsion of their being. I say, "sadly" because I can't imagine much greater torture than a young person might feel in that case. People who condemn homosexuals as having 'free choice' and making the wrong choice are lacking in logic. Why in the world would a person choose to be ostrcized, ridiculed, assaulted, shamed, and even killed if they had a choice? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Bill D Date: 05 Nov 09 - 04:57 PM Smoking is almost always curiosity and social pressure to start, but it is physically addictive. Thus, the desire to quit needs to be pretty strong. My parents smoked...my younger brother smoked.... I never did. There 'may' be some genetic factor involved in my having no desire to start, but... *shrug* I doubt there is a gene that says: "roll up some plant material in a piece of paper and set fire to it." We are, however, genetically programmed to have various degrees of sexual desires, or there wouldn't be these discussions... *wry smile*. The concern now is learning in what ways the programming might differ, due to hormonal variations or other conditions that would 'tend' someone to be gay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 09 - 04:32 PM Well, I can. Rather vividly. 1948. I was in my senior year in high school. I was sitting at the counter in a restaurant a half-block from school, along with a school friend, Curt Grant. Curt smoked. He talked me into trying one. It didn't taste very good. I coughed a lot. I turned pea-green. I felt a bit nauseated. I don't know why I stuck with it, but I did. A few months later, I was smoking like a chimney. But then, old geezer that I am notwithstanding, I have a satisfyingly tenacious memory. I started singing folk songs in 1952. Once I got to singing here and there, I kept asking myself, "Okay, you sing. Your voice is your instrument. If you played the clarinet, would it make any kind of sense to blow hot smoke through your clarinet thirty or forty times a day!?? It's flamin' idiotic!!" On June 19th, 1978, my 47th birthday. A warm, sunny day, sitting on John Dwyer's deck in Marysville, Washington, overlooking Puget Sound, I smoked my last three cigarettes. And gave my cigarette lighter to someone else there who smoked. I haven't smoked since. It was definitely a matter of choice, first to start smoking, then to quit. Don Firth Now back to our regular broadcast. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 09 - 03:22 PM "..everybody can remember the first time that they had the opportunity to smoke, and the choice they made at that time to say yes or no." I certainty can't. I can remember a time I didn't smoke, and a time I did smoke, and a time I didn't smoke any more. But I can't remember the first time I smoked - or the last time, for that matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 09 - 02:56 PM Good articles, Bill! GfS hangs his/her whole snarl on the idea that a "gay gene" has not actually been found. However— In the mid-1800s, Gregor Mendel was able to trace genetically determined characteristics without even knowing that there was such a thing as genes or DNA molecules. Same-sex orientation seems to run in families. I observed this in the family of a friend of mine, and it can't simply be explained by trying to claim that one member of the family introduced the other members into homosexuality. An uncle here and a couple of cousins there, and the family is scattered across the country and some of them, though related, have never met. So far, all indications are that the tendency toward this orientation comes through the female line. It may not be as simple as a "gay gene." The truth is that it is quite probably a number of factors, perhaps a combination of genes, making it a bit more difficult to trace. No, GtS, just because you can't find your own butt with both hands and an copy of Grey's Anatomy doesn't mean it isn't there. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 09 - 02:02 PM With many human activities there is an element of choice and an element of inner compulsion. That appears to hold for smokers, in that many people find it pretty easy to avoid becoming smokers or to give it up, while others seem to find it impossible to stop smoking. The same goes for drinking. The assumption that this does not hold when it comes to sexual behaviour is open to question. Whether it's a matter of choice or compulsion does not alter how we should behave towards people who differ from us in such matters. For example, even if we think that smoking is an unfortunate compulsion or an unwise choice, that does not give us the right to insult smokers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Bill D Date: 05 Nov 09 - 01:59 PM About the "gay gene" debate: It is clear that no such "smoking gun" single gene has been found...see this article in Discover magazine (5 pages), or this one by an AP science writer....or many other articles. But what IS becoming clear is that there is more & more evidence that a number of genetic , environmental AND some cultural factors do influnce humans in their sexual orientation. It is far from simple 'free choice'. The various studies indicate statistically that DNA, brain chemistry, and other factors in heredity point to some degree of causative influences...and more evidence appears every year. It has seemed to me for years that those who are repelled by homosexuality and/or were brought up in opposition to it..often in religious circumstances, will look for any justification for the claim that it is 'abnormal' or 'against nature' or 'perverted' or whatever phrase they prefer. In contrast, many of the researchers who are finding the evidence I refer to are NOT gay, and have only an interest in 'good science'. Being 'straight',myself, I do not appreciate being targeted by a gay guy...though it has happened only a couple of times. But all I thought, even then, was that it was rude and awkward....not that they had any 'choice' to be the way they were. (Bear in mind that in Kansas in the 1950s & 1960s, it was not easy for gays & lesbians to find willing partners! Sometimes, they just made a bad guess.) It is a loaded topic, and I suspect that no matter how much evidence is found, that many will never reconcile the idea that "those people" can't usually control what their sexual orientation is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 05 Nov 09 - 01:49 PM ""But would the question "when did you decide to be a non-smoker?" be a very effective way of challenging the idea that smoking is a choice?"" Yes it would, because everybody can remember the first time that they had the opportunity to smoke, and the choice they made at that time to say yes or no. The same is not true of either heterosexuals or homosexuals when asked to recall exactly when they had the choice, and what they decided. I always fancied girls, and never gave boys a second thought except as rivals, but I never made a conscious, reasoned, decision to be straight. I JUST AM! Don T |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: KB in Iowa Date: 05 Nov 09 - 01:48 PM But would the question "when did you decide to be a non-smoker?" be a very effective way of challenging the idea that smoking is a choice? Apples and Oranges. Sexuality is an inherent part of our being. Putting a piece of burning tobacco wrapped in paper to your lips and inhaling is not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: John P Date: 05 Nov 09 - 01:16 PM Anyone who thinks being gay is a choice doesn't have a very good memory of their early teens. If you are straight, when you hit 12 or 13 or whenever your sexual awakening was, was there really any chance that you wouldn't be obsessing about members of the opposite sex? What makes you think anyone else is any different? McGrath, please get your logic in better order. Comparing sexual orientation to being a smoker or not being a smoker is really dumb. I'll ask you outright: Do you think most gay people choose to be gay? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: kendall Date: 05 Nov 09 - 01:12 PM Sure it would. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 09 - 09:48 AM But would the question "when did you decide to be a non-smoker?" be a very effective way of challenging the idea that smoking is a choice? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: kendall Date: 05 Nov 09 - 09:36 AM I always like to ask a hard question of people who think being gay is a choice. I ask, "When did you decide to be straight"? Or, "Have you any idea why the males of all mammalian species have nipples"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Nov 09 - 08:16 AM A) "All gay people are paedophiles" is clearly offensive nonsense; and so is "All paedophiles are gay". B) "No gay people are paedophiles" and "No paedophiles are gay" are clearly, regrettably, false. The trouble is that attempts to challenge the nonsensical propositions in A can be confused with defending the equally nonsensical propositions in B, and the other way round. And if we think our opponent is saying something as offensive as "All gay people are paedophiles" or as dangerously misleading as "No paedophiles are gay", it is no wonder if tempers get raised. (Replace "gay" by "straight" in this post if you prefer.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Smedley Date: 05 Nov 09 - 06:21 AM Let me summarise them for you then, Ake: you're a homophobe you have issues you're a hypocrite you like to provoke and, as the length of this thread shows, you're rather good at it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: akenaton Date: 05 Nov 09 - 03:33 AM Jim...I've been too busy to reply....The wood burning stove business is going mad! Try to contain yourself, I'm just as frustrated as you :0)....I dont even have time to read all the messages above...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Nov 09 - 03:20 AM Never got a reply to my comments about the wholesale rape by clerics of children in their care - and there was me looking forward to a churchless/religionless future..... ah well! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:31 PM Facts that you find uncomfortable, so you simply deny them. And the matter is quite germaine to this thread. It shows the motivation of those who are trying to spread the misinformation. The weak accuse others of their own faults |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:09 PM Facts that you find uncomfortable, so you simply deny them. And the matter is quite germaine to this thread. It shows the motivation of those who are trying to spread the misinformation. You claimed on the other thread to be counsellor. "Physician, heal thyself." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: GUEST,Gust from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 09 - 10:53 PM Don:'Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through' Any time, any place...except on this thread, which would be off topic!!! Don:'Has to do with fear that the recently discovered evidence that sexual orientation may be a genetic predisposition rather than a matter of free choice is true. Lots of supporting evidence that GfS vociferously denies.' Evidence, against the FACTS!!!! Still they HAVE NOT found the gene!!!!(which I factually posted several links before, which you readily skirt around!! ...and not on this thread!!!...so stop trying to bait me..GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 10:35 PM Jeri, there is a difference between taking a troll's bait and speaking out to take issue with a statement which is a deliberate attempt to spread misinformation. Not to speak up when one sees an obvious deception in progress is to implicitly condone that deception. I don't believe either Ake or GfS will ever see the error of their ways. They have too much emotional investment in their prejudices. I do not harbor the misconception that anything I say or any evidence I present, no matter how correct and convincing it is seen to be by a rational person, will ever change either of their minds. But exposing a falsehood and trying to change the mind of the spreader of that falsehood are two different issues. One can refute Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly (quite easily, actually), and undeceive someone who might naively believe something they claim, but one will never get either of them to change their positions. Their livelihood depends on it. They're professional manure-spreaders. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Jeri Date: 04 Nov 09 - 07:13 PM I don't think Ake posted it because the guy 'just happened to be gay'. I think the ONLY reason he posted it was because the pedophile was gay. It strikes me as fairly indicative that something's not quite right when the most important thing is that the person was gay. The actual crimes are not as significant--they only support his belief that gay = evil. I'm also fairly surprised that so many people bit the bait, but it's pretty much the same bunch of us that always do. Every damned time... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Royston Date: 04 Nov 09 - 07:03 PM Sorry McG, you are talking about the words "Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this from our resident promoters of homosexuality! " Which are short, precise and unmistakably to the point "I told you so" and dripping with bile and prejudice towards gay people and those who would argue for equality and tolerance. Shame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Lox Date: 04 Nov 09 - 06:56 PM In fact I believe it was later shown that the guy in question was in fact an activist for the rights of pedophiles. For the record, it so happens that "fathers for justice" disbanded because their membership was becoming increasingly comprised of unsuitable fathers who's "rights" wre taken away for very good reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:58 PM As I took it, the point that Ake saw as significant was not that this unsavoury character "happened to be gay", but rather that he had been a leading spokesman and advocate for gay rights, who had been recognised as such at a very high level. If he had been a leading member of a (predominently heterosexual)group such as Families Need Fathers, the same kind of issues would have arisen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Royston Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:42 PM well I'm glad this post cropped up, because I was feeling some guilt about assumptions I had made that Ake might have been a decent sort that I mistook for a bigot. Ake; you proved me right, you are a nasty piece of work. You introduced this story with a flourish of prurient 'I told you so' towards the 'homosexualists' as you probably see them. You clearly expected that people who advocate tolerance and equality for gay or lesbian people should need to apologise or atone personally for the vile acts of one or more criminals that happened to be gay. It says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. A very dear friend of mine, no longer with us, was a family social worker who would attest with experience to the fact that most paedophiles are the heterosexual fathers of the unfortunate victims. This matches the experience of an earlier poster with experience of the US legal syste I hope you get some help getting over yourself or whatever experiences have left you this way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:40 PM Yeah, she might even call the police on the basis of that alone. She just knows. Kinda rabid. I don't really like talking with her. Any time I have the affrontery to disagree with something she says, she responds by saying something like, "Well, I would expect a man to say that!" I feel sorry for her because of what her relative did to her way back (may he burn in hell), but I find it most unpleasant to be around someone who is that permanently hostile. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: GUEST,erbert Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:38 PM hmmm.. aahh... I think I finally get the hang of this kind of arguement.. So if some here believe that all gays are not to be trusted alone with children; by the same logic it could just as easily be 'proven' that all obsessively homophobic gay bashers are actually repressed latent homosexuals living a life of pained confusion and futile denial ! hmmm..so then.. therefore.. its just as reasonable to claim all raving obsessive homophobes are potential gay pervert child molesters!!!??? y'know there's a lot to be said for the value of logical discourse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Lox Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:19 PM She wouldn't like me then ... being a single dad 'n all ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:52 PM I have a female acquaintance of the hard-charging, bra-burning, combat-boot wearing feminist persuasion who is convinced that NO man can be trusted alone around children. Not even for a few minutes. Bad experience with a male relative when she was small. She doesn't blame that specific man. She blames men. Sadly, one sees all too much of this kind of illogical jump from the specific to the universal. It's the basis for a great deal of bigotry. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Lox Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM Oh yes - I nearly forgot... ... and the OP is clearly meant as evidence that Gay men can't be trusted to be left alone with children or they will inevitably rape them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Lox Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:21 PM "Ake's implication that all homosexuals are pedophiles is inherent in his original post." I think I would clarify Ake's implication which was that If you leave a gay man with kids long enough and deny him access to other gay men, he will turn to them for release - while a heterosexual man would not do the same thing. The rationale appears to be that one is either a pervert or not and that as Gays are perverts therefore they would enjoy doing the things other perverts do - and as gays and pedophiles are all perverts therefore child abuse is a natural release for a homosexual. And all this has been churning round in his head for years, during which time, the thought of two men having sex has frequently upset him. Personally, I tend not to spend my time thinking about two men having sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:15 PM Kevin, if you don't find Ake's intended meaning perfectly clear, go to the beginning of the thread and read his original post. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM C'mon, Kevin. Picky picky picky. My meaning is perfectly clear, even if you find the metaphor "treacherous." I could get quite specific, complete with quotes from former posts on the aforementioned other thread, but I chose not to at the moment. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:49 PM "Clear as crystal" is another of those treacherous metaphors, because the view one sees through crystal,is often very far from clear. Which paradoxically may in fact make it an appropriate metaphor in this particular case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:37 PM Sorry, Kevin, I misread your post. Ake rather than GfS (but what I said regarding GfS's motivation still holds). Ake's implication that all homosexuals are pedophiles is inherent in his original post. The very fact that he chose to post that story and try to use it to attack "our resident promoters of homosexuality" says so eloguently. Clear as crystal. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:29 PM Yes, Kevin, in the previous thread about California's Proposition 8. A bit of a confession, in fact, and one that he/she probably wishes he/she hadn't made, because it reveals a great deal about why he/she insists on holding that position. Has to do with fear that the recently discovered evidence that sexual orientation may be a genetic predisposition rather than a matter of free choice is true. Lots of supporting evidence that GfS vociferously denies. On the basis of one of GfS's posts on that thread, I have a pretty good idea why. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:08 PM I recognize Ake's feeble attempt to repeat the canard that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Has he ever actually asserted that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Paul Burke Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:40 PM , but many of the posts contain no expression of sympathy for the abused children or their families I quote your OP in its entirety: Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this from our resident promoters of homosexuality! Full of sympathy for the children and thgeir families. And still no explkanation of why you are so opposed to male homosexual paedophilia, while ignoring the (possibly more common) heterosexual and (possibly less common) female homosexual varieties. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:09 PM By the way, about 70% of the votes have been counted and the out-of-state supposedly Christian-based attempt to have Washington State's domestic partnership law repealed appears to be going down in defeat. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM GfS, 'tis said that "Even the Devil quotes Scripture." I have yet to find a bigot who wasn't able to quote vast quantities of the Bible to support his or her position. Invariably, however, the Scripture they chose to quote is taken out of context and combined with other verses, also taken out of context, in a convoluted effort to try to make the Bible appear to support some totally outrageous idea that is not remotely endorsed by Judaism and/or Christianity. Everything from Millenialists and Rapture nuts to serial killers to hate-mongers. And bigots. Especially bigots. Also, knowing the history of how the Bible was put together in the first place, then edited and fiddled with by bishops, abbeys, and scribes, I know that one is on very thin ice when on tries to claim that the Bible is "the inerrant word of God." Obviously, therefore, I am not a Fundamentalist. Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through, not just hopping from verse to disconnected verse like a frog with the hiccups. And if it's something I'm not sure about, I can telephone any or all of six Lutheran pastors, a couple of Baptists, a Methodist, a couple of Episcopalians, and a Catholic priest and ask. When someone is trying to con me, I know it. Don Firth P. S. Also, I recognize Ake's feeble attempt to repeat the canard that all homosexuals are pedophiles. This is a favorite bit of misinformation that homophobes have either bought themselves in their self-chosen ignorance, or even knowing that it's not the case, are trying to get others to believe. Not to mention your particular hobby-horse from previous threads that same-sex orientation is a matter of choice (long since disproved) rather that an inborn predisposition. I also know why you have a vested interest in that position. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: Ebbie Date: 04 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM I should have checked, no doubt. I only knew that Caesar was not in the admonition. As in many cases of the bible, the line is given in several books. The one I am familiar with is in Matthew, not Mark: Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. It then goes on to say the well-known "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia, From: meself Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:53 PM Were the Pharisees paedophiles, then? And were the Edomites sodomites? I'm confused. |
