Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 24 - 05:57 AM

You missed out the most important

Trump (noun) the noise made by breaking wind from the rear end

and

Trump (verb) the act of breaking wind from the rear end

Sums up the orange one to a tee.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jun 24 - 03:26 AM

I've been toying with the idea that the word "trump" might aptly describe some of Donald Trump's actions, what he might consider to be his triumphs, e.g. trumping the democratic process, or climate change action, or women's right to decide their best health options in consultation with medical professionals, or the people's right to effective and scientific health care in a pandemic. The list goes on and on.

Looking at the definitions on this page, I think I could come up with some hard hitting policy-based slogans for President Biden's election campaign. :-D

To trump is to outrank or defeat someone or something, often in a highly public way. Safety might trump appearance when you're buying a car, or your desires may trump your brother's when it comes to making weekend plans.

"In the card game bridge, the trump card is the most powerful card in a particular round and defeats all the others — sort of like when your needs or wishes trump someone else's. Originally trump implied a deceptive form of victory involving cheating, but that sense has been largely lost, though it's still around in the term trumped up, meaning something that's been falsely made up. A politician may face trumped up charges that could ruin his career.

Some of the other definitions of trump on that page:

    verb - get the better of. Synonyms: best, outdo, outflank, scoop

    noun - a playing card in the suit that has been declared trumps
    “the ace of trumps is a sure winner” Synonyms: trump card


    noun - (card games) the suit that has been declared to rank above all other suits for the duration of the hand
    “clubs were declared trumps”
    “a trump can take a trick even when a card of a different suit is led”
   
    noun - a final factor or resource that determines an outcome Synonyms: trump card
   
    noun - a brass musical instrument with a brilliant tone; has a narrow tube and a flared bell and is played by means of valves

    synonyms: cornet, horn, trumpet [or in Trump's case, an accordion :-D ]


    verb - proclaim or announce with or as if with a fanfare Synonyms: trump out

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 24 - 10:56 PM

It seems that Trump has threatened a lot of the movie distributors when it comes to a release of The Apprentice.

But nearly two weeks after its “bigly” premiere, the film still doesn’t have a U.S. distributor. Despite strong reviews, feverish media attention, a red-hot director in Ali Abbasi and a starry cast that includes Sebastian Stan and Jeremy Strong, “The Apprentice” remains up for grabs.

Sources close to the dealmaking say there are several potential buyers in the mix representing both theatrical distributors and streamers, and new offers continue to trickle in. But one of those sources revealed that none of the major studios are bidding, including their specialty labels like the Disney-owned Searchlight, Sony Pictures Classics or Focus, which is owned by Universal. Even some of the most daring indie distributors like Neon, which released Abbasi’s “Border,” aren’t offering a deal yet.

External reviews from the IMDb site.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jun 24 - 03:23 AM

”He makes it up as he goes.”

He does indeed. Unfortunately, there’s a sizeable number of voters who believe him - exactly how many will be determined in November - and, personally, I find those people even more scary than Agent Orange himself.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 24 - 02:59 AM

Seeing as he dismisses previous recordings as fake news, it would not make any difference.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 06:49 PM

He sure does. He would probably fare a lot better without recordings of his previous contradictory rubbish being thrown back in his face.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 05:43 PM

He makes it up as he goes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 03:48 PM

Here it is:

Hunter Biden is now a convicted liar. Donald Trump won't let his father forget it

"Two guilty verdicts ripple through campaign

"Joe Biden's response presents a stark contrast to his likely opponent in the November presidential election, who continues to rail against what he says is a rigged justice system.

"Had Hunter Biden been acquitted, Donald Trump might have suggested it was proof that he, Trump, was being treated unfairly.

"A conviction is in some ways harder for Republicans to spin.

They after all are the party of greater gun rights.

"Some would argue that the right to bear arms is absolute.

"Their line was soon clear from a statement promptly released by the Trump campaign in response to the guilty verdict.

"'This trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the Biden Crime Family, which has raked in tens of millions of dollars from China, Russia and Ukraine.'"

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 03:36 PM

I saw briefly a mention of a Trump or maybe Trump supporter response to Hunter Biden's guilty verdict. (I'll find the actual quote if I can.) It puts them in an interesting double bind. If they go all high-&-mighty about Biden's son owning a gun then are they being hypocritical about all of those gun owners who did something massively illegal and invaded the Capitol?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 02:33 PM

This week Hunter Biden was found guilty of lying about drug use on a federal firearms purchase document. It seems the Trump folks are a bit flummoxed by the conviction - they were hoping for an innocent verdict to which they could point and blame Biden for interfering, etc., and by extension, interfering and trying Trump.

Like Trump, H. Biden has the option of an appeal. The GOP prosecutor in the case was a Trump appointee who interfered last year when a plea agreement had been reached (common with truly victimless crimes and first time offenses). The agreement was scrapped and Hunter Biden put on trial. Talking heads are convinced (in general) that this trial happened because Trump wanted it to and the special prosecutor is, like Judge Cannon in Florida, beholden to Trump.

In other news, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg who put Donald Trump on trial has agreed to testify before the clowns in Congress, on the day after Trump is sentenced. There will be fireworks (if nothing, heads exploding on the GOP side of the room.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 02:31 PM

We can't get rid of him sadly. He is like herpes and just as unpleasant. Hopefully when he fails to get elected for the 9th time he will crawl back into the woodwork. I doubt it though. Like Trump and the legendary bad penny, he keeps turning up. The vote for Brexit did f**k up the UK. A vote for Trump will f**k up the world.

I'm not trying to jinx anything though. I sincerely hope you are right but I fear the worst.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 11:23 AM

There was an article in The Atlantic today that reflects your doom and gloom remarks, but I wish you'd all stop doing it. It's like you are wishing it to come true by saying it so often. Don't jinx us.

Here's a clip from that article (in case you hit the paywall).
WHAT EUROPE FEARS
American allies see a second Trump term as all but inevitable. “The anxiety is massive.”

The irony of Europe’s obsession with the upcoming election is that the people who will decide its outcome aren’t thinking about Europe much at all. In part, that’s because many Americans haven’t seen the need for NATO in their lifetime (despite the fact that the September 11 terrorist attacks were the only time Article 5 has been invoked). As one journalist in Brussels put it to me, the alliance has for decades been a “solution in search of a problem.” Now, with Russia waging war dangerously close to NATO territory, there’s a large problem. Throughout my conversations, one word came up again and again when I asked European officials about the stakes of the American election: existential.

“The anxiety is massive,” Victoria Nuland, who served until recently as undersecretary for political affairs at the State Department, told me. Like other diplomats in the Biden administration, she has spent the three-plus years since Trump unwillingly left office working to restabilize America’s relationship with its allies.

“Foreign counterparts would say it to me straight up,” Nuland recalled. “‘The first Trump election—maybe people didn’t understand who he was, or it was an accident. A second election of Trump? We’ll never trust you again.’”

We get it. We're working on it. Stop nagging, please, that makes it worse. Go get rid of Nigel Farage if you want something to do. (That should have happened ages ago, then maybe you'd still be in the EU.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 06:17 AM

Did Trump commemorate D-Day even though his side lost? :-D

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 01:53 PM

No surprise there Dave. And I, for one, won’t be the least bit surprised when he’s re-elected in November. I fear it happening, but it won’t be any sort of surprise.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 11:11 AM

It's started

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 03:36 PM

No amount of postulating on an obscure folk music forum will stop the arsehole from gaining power though. All indications (not just polls - world opinion) are that he is a serious contender and threat to world peace.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 02:06 PM

Regarding gatherings of MAGAheads : I saw on a factual, analytical Oz TV show called Planet America that Trump held a rally in the last week or so and did his usual stunt of overstating the size of the crowd. I can't remember where the rally was, sorry, but Trump declared that there were (as I recall) 28,000 people there but official figures, including tickets sold, estimated that there were only about 3,500 people.

The numbers of MAGAheads gathering near the courthouse have been fairly low too, judging by the TV coverage.

It might be a sign of changing support numbers.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:49 PM

I don't see the old phoney getting much traction with Democrats this time around and his recent criminal conviction has got to hurt him with independents and undecideds, but then I've been very wrong before, going back to Tricky Dick's resurrection in '68.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:21 PM

I do hope so gillymor but still fear the worst. The number of registered party members is hardly an indication if what the electorate will do

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:17 PM

There are more registered Democrats in this country than Republicans so I don't see how the GOP can't afford to purge potential voters if they want to win or hold onto congressional seats. I think you're listening to the extremists who tend to make the most noise.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 11:45 AM

Other Republicans are now being told to support Trump or quit the party. It's "my way or the highway". Boils down to anyone saying the US legal system is good is a "traitor". Sadly it seems to be working and, even sadder, many of the electorate are gullible enough to believe it. I know it is not what you guys want to hear but to us outsiders it still looks like a win for extremists.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 11:18 AM

Last Saturday morning I rode my bike past a busy intersection here in Naples at around 10 A.M. and was dismayed to see about 15-20 MAGAheads pumping pro-trump signs in the air. I passed through that same intersection today at 10 and found their corner vacant. Not sure what that means but I took it as a good sign.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:45 PM

And "orange manbaby" in my head = those images of the Trump baby balloon. Funny!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:43 PM

Stilly, in fact I don't give a hoot about Melania. It doesn't surprise me that she is the female version of Trump, but my comment was aimed at what I expect Trump's reaction would be: don't kick the big guys or the lawyers because they have the power to fight back, just go home and kick the wife.

How is this for hypocrisy? Kremlin says Trump's conviction is about White House 'elimination of political rivals'

The Kremlin and Putin are experts on that.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 May 24 - 12:34 PM

Herself just endured the manbaby's* tirade (11:00 New York time) so I didn't need to, and divulged the top bits: Dear me, everybody's against me [namecheck, namecheck], it's all the fault of the deep state, yada yada .... He's even managed to implicate China somehow, and separately the Congo, but it's difficult to tell.

Hmmmm .... The Goldwater Doctrine states that a psychiatric professional cannot pass judgement on a political person unless said person has been on said psychiatrist's couch. Methinks the manbaby's bletherings are basically him treating a microphone as said couch: he's basically doing a psychoanalytical coredump. He's incapable of resisting the lure of the open mike.

* I might have known. UK readers will be shocked (shocked!) to learn that the expression "orange manbaby" was courtesy of the Star, the most honest of the English tabloids.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 24 - 12:25 PM

The memes following this trial are fast and furious, but the next trial is what people need to keep their eyes on.

Just Security has a clearinghouse of Trump's trials, but it isn't up to date right now. They suggest the next one to start is the Mar A Lago documents trial. In fact, I think the supreme court has to stop fooling around and declare Trump to be a normal person subject to prosecution even for things he did when in office, then other trials can move forward. The D.C. one was ready to seat jurors before the supreme court said they'd hear his claim of immunity.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 24 - 09:56 AM

And none of the jurors looked at him. He can glare all he wants. By then, any fear or awe of Trump would have worn off. After Grisham/Daniels described his behavior to her I would think that put an end to his ability to intimidate those normal human beings. He's just a creep.

Helen, Melania is a piece of work who will be sure she stays out of harm's way. There was a book by Stephanie Winston Wolkoff who worked occasionally with Melania on fashion projects over the years prior to the inauguration, at which time Melania pulled her into the inaugural project (where Trump and cronies raked in and pocketed millions) and proceeded to run roughshod over her. She is easily as calculating as Donald, but more subtle about it.

The judge released the jury from the need to conceal their role or not discuss the case. If any would actually open up is unknown on this first day after the verdict - they would open themselves to horrible threats from his pin-headed minions and Q-anon followers.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 May 24 - 08:11 AM

I just read somewhere that he stared at all the jurors as he left. That must be a worry for them and their families.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 05:26 AM

If only the Capitol riot trial could have been held before the election. Imagine all the evidence being made public from that. Surely that would change the minds of the voters who are sitting on the fence.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 31 May 24 - 05:15 AM

He recently bragged at a rally that he did ask his handlers to take him to the Capitol building on Jan. 6 but denied there was the physical confrontation that Cassidy Hutchinson testified about. Hopefully in doing so the dumbass gave prosecutors something they can use at his Jan. 6 trial.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:50 AM

MaJoC, you're correct of course. However, if he had been at the Capitol would he have been at the head of the attack, directly in harm's way or hiding behind a barrier at the back, yelling commands at everyone else to do his dirty work?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:41 AM

> he sent his minions to attack the Capitol and stayed
> in his own little den, watching from a safe distance

From what I heard at the time, Helen, the Orange Man-Baby* was all set to lead his zombie army's march .... but the Secret Service member driving his car had been trained to not let The Con put himself in harm's way. Much wrestling there was with the steering wheel, and the Secret Service member won.

* This epithet comes to you by (dis)courtesy of this morning's paper reviews on the BBC Red Button.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 02:20 AM

Yep. He loads the guns (verbally) and lets other people go into the firing line. Come to think of it, that sounds a lot like what he did to Michael Cohen.

I'm hoping Melania is somewhere safe. He might take his anger and frustration out on her because she probably wouldn't be able to fight back.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 24 - 11:05 PM

This is a state charge and Trump isn't a resident of New York now. Even if the charge transferred to Florida, we are told that the Florida governor might offer dispensation so he can vote there.

Though Trump has repeatedly shot himself in the foot, I don't know if there is proof that he owns and firearms. He fires from the lip.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 30 May 24 - 07:56 PM

I heard a comment on Oz ABC that a convicted felon can't own a gun or vote in elections. He can still run for President unfortunately but cannot carry a gun in an attack on the Capitol or vote for himself. But then again, he sent his minions to attack the Capitol and stayed in his own little den, watching from a safe distance so he is unlikely to put himself in the firing line if it happens again.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 30 May 24 - 07:24 PM

Not sure how this conviction is going to effect the electon but I'm now feeling better about being a citizen of this country than I have in a long time.
Here's to the health of this nation!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 May 24 - 07:06 PM

A recent Doonesbury strip I've been a fan since the 80s. Only Sunday cartoons are still drawn, other day are re-runs, scroll down to see the calendar & check next Sunday.

Or fill time by reading past Sundays!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 30 May 24 - 05:41 PM

I've never been so glad to be wrong about something.
YEEEEEEEHAAAAAWWW!!!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 30 May 24 - 05:29 PM

Amazing news!! I really didn't think that the jury decisions would be so quick, and that he would be found guilty on all charges. I am placing bets that he will appeal, but that would only work, IMO, if he had been found not guilty on at least some of the charges.

If it wasn't just after sunrise here I'd break out the champagne.

Woo Hoo!!!!! :-D

Donald Trump found guilty in criminal 'hush money' trial

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 24 - 05:08 PM

GUILTY!!!!!!

Couldn't happen to a nastier guy.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 24 - 04:59 PM

The jury has reached a verdict, meaning it isn't a hung jury. They asked for 30 minutes to fill out the jury questionnaire (confirming the status of each charge and the vote).

We are on pins and needles waiting. Wishing the judge and jury a safe trip home after all of this.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 May 24 - 02:52 PM

Yes gillymor, but look on the bright side. The slithery bastard has been holed up in the courtroom for a month, had to sit down and say nothing during the trial and nearly blown a gasket every day trying to keep his mouth under control, and been unable to go on the campaign trail, unable to speak freely to the media, and has agreed to two debates with President Biden where the microphones will be turned off after timed responses. We have also been entertained by the Veepstakes, watching more slithery bastards vying for his attention, hoping to be placed on the ballot as his potential VP.

I just wish there were more trials scheduled before the election. I don't think his blood pressure could take it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 28 May 24 - 12:27 PM

I'm hoping they nail him but I've a feeling the slithery bastard has done his utmost to get to one or more jurors given his conviction that he is above the laws of this land.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 May 24 - 10:49 PM

Tomorrow (Tuesday, May 28) the jury gets their instructions from the judge. And then we wait for a verdict.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 May 24 - 08:55 PM

For some reason I'm now seeing that Guardian version of the video as "private." CNN also played some of the speech.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 26 May 24 - 08:30 PM

Thanks for that, Stilly. I needed a good laugh-out-loud. :-D

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 May 24 - 07:42 PM

It has been a quiet few days since the Trump case rested, but this weekend Trump went to talk to the Libertarians (a surly bunch who don't get along well with anyone else politically) and they booed the Wannabe dictator.

Donald Trump, the former US president, has suffered the rare humiliation of getting booed and heckled during a raucous speech to the Libertarian National Convention.

Trump’s rocky ride at a Washington hotel on Saturday night, including cries of “Bullshit!” and “Fuck you!”, underlined the challenge that the Republican presidential nominee faces to broaden his appeal both left and right on the political spectrum.

“The fact is we should not be fighting each other,” Trump pleaded. “If Joe Biden gets back in, there will be no more liberty for anyone in our country. Combine with us in a partnership – we’re asking that of the libertarians. We must work together. Combine with us. You have to combine with us.”

The appeal went down like a lead balloon as delegates booed, jeered and shouted insults. It was a stunning rebuke for a man who has become accustomed to cult-like rallies where his every word is cheered to the echo.

One thing we can agree on. The man needs to be booed off the stage and out of public life.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 22 May 24 - 02:57 PM

It's sad that Trump didn't testify. He wouldn't have been able to rein himself in, would have blurted out lots of guff and dug a satisfyingly deep hole for himself. At least his lawyers earned their fat fees on that.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 May 24 - 12:54 PM

The Trump defense went out with a mis-guided witness selection of Robert Costello. His testimony only served to support exactly what Cohen had already testified to, and he misbehaved enough that the judge at one point cleared the courtroom of reporters. The thought is that as the last witness his stink may rub off on Trump.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 24 - 11:55 AM

When the defense or prosecution has a witness they need to remove or discredit it is called "impeaching the witness." But here the defendant has already been impeached (twice!), so many of the witnesses have shady backstories, and Cohen himself served 13 months in prison. The bar is set bizarrely low for everything in this case.

The last day of Cohen testimony today, then hopefully the summing up in closing statements tomorrow will set it all in play for the jurors.

The MSNBC talking heads are discussing the lack of wisdom in the defense attorney spending so much time interviewing Cohen - noting that the more questions asked the more opportunity Cohen has to tell his own story (beyond simple Yes and No answers) and it makes Trump look progressively worse.

Meanwhile, the peanut gallery in their blue suits and red ties in the park opposite the federal courthouse are doing Trump's dirty work by trashing the court, the jury, and more.