Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 24 - 10:32 AM

Showing up on AP today (their links don't usually load more than a few days):

Texts show prosecutor’s ex-law partner gave info for effort to remove Fani Willis from election case

ATLANTA (AP) — Attorneys for Donald Trump and other defendants in the Georgia election interference case hoped that lawyer Terrence Bradley would provide key testimony in support of their effort to remove Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis — and they had good reason for their optimism.

Over several months, Bradley had been in touch with Ashleigh Merchant, a lawyer for Trump co-defendant Michael Roman, according to hundreds of text messages produced by Merchant as evidence and obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday.

Through the texts, Bradley fed Merchant information and made suggestions to help her prove that Willis had dated Nathan Wade, a special prosecutor hired for the election case. As Wade’s former law partner and onetime divorce attorney, Bradley was well positioned to know things, and the texts seem to back that up.

But when he took the stand to testify under oath in mid-February, Bradley initially refused to answer most questions, asserting attorney-client privilege. On Tuesday, when the judge compelled him to testify after determining some of his communications with Wade weren’t privileged, he repeatedly said he didn’t know or couldn’t remember crucial details. CNN reported on the text messages Wednesday.

Merchant filed a motion Jan. 8 seeking to remove Willis and Wade and their offices from the election case and to toss out the indictment against Trump and 14 others. She alleged that the prosecutors had been romantically involved before Wade was hired in November 2021, and she said Willis paid Wade large sums, then improperly benefited from his earnings when he took her on vacations.

“I am nervous,” Merchant texted Bradley the day she filed her motion, adding, “This is huge.”

He responded with a string of encouraging messages: “You are huge,” “You will be fine,” “You are one of the best lawyers I know,” “Go be great.”

And later in the article:

The texts show Bradley confirming information for Merchant and suggesting records she should request or people she should subpoena. Though he sometimes seemed to want to make sure certain information couldn’t be traced to him, he said he was “ok with” being subpoenaed to testify.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 24 - 07:07 AM

I heard that story yesterday, moving the cash businesses to Florida. He is dealing with a Federal judge so that move may not stick. If Trump declares bankruptcy Florida protects more assets than most states, but probably not the businesses themselves. Trump Tower is at this point the red herring.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 24 - 05:29 AM

While Trump gets the S.C. to take his B.S. claim that he is immune which is as absurd as declaring he is a banana, he has quietly moved his two main cash businesses out of N.Y. State and has hidden them in FL. to avoid payment to Jean Carroll and the fraud case. However, he couldn't move Trump Tower.

Moving and hiding his assets is against the judge's orders but I guess he thinks he is immune.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 06:44 PM

The Supreme Court heard the Bush V Gore in a week.
They heard the Colorado ballot case in 30 days.
They have now taken 130 days to hear the Trump immunity case which should be enough to delay a trial or stop a trial before the election.

Trump wins no matter how the Court decides as late as the end of June.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 05:55 PM

The Supreme Court is going to wade into this. They didn't accept the well-reasoned and well-written decision from the appellate court. The shit is getting deeper. This comes up on the same day that Trump's folks tried to get the court to accept about 15 cents on the dollar of his settlement costs. At least that judge told him "NO." Trump must come up with the full bond amount to cover the $454 million civil fraud trial judgment, appeals court judge rules

Associate Justice Anil Singh, however, lifted a ban on Trump’s ability to obtain loans from a New York bank, which could allow him to access the equity in his assets to back the full bond amount.

Singh denied Trump’s request to delay his obligation to post $454 million until a full appellate panel hears his motion to stay enforcement of that judgment until his appeals of the civil fraud ruling are over.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 02:43 PM

There have been numerous "October surprises" at the presidential level, but it only became a meme after 1980.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

Now calculated "October surprises" are hardly a surprise.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 01:44 PM

Helen's term sheepdogging can be applied to AI algorithm control of societal thinking.

I stumbled on this link https://sbstatesman.com/122912/opinions/can-ai-lead-to-the-spread-of-fascist-agendas/

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 09:56 AM

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WRITING AN EXPOSE'. However, the Republicans have engineered the Presidential election wins 3 times with crimes to my knowledge.

The Reagan campaign steered 40 million dollars to Iran to only release hostages to him. The October surprise.

Bush got the Supreme Court to elect him. The Florida surprise.

Trump tried a 3 pronged coup that failed. The January surprise the fake elector surprise and the Rasberger surprises. Trump tried to get the military to seize voting machines but failed.

Taking the long view is eye-opening compared to looking only at current events.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 09:05 PM

Tonight on MSNBC someone was discussing the possibility of Don, Jr, getting the nod if his father is prevented from taking office while the race is still underway. [barf emoji]

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 06:48 PM

If for any number of reasons Trump can not get nominated or run for PREZ who will get the nod? Mitch McConnel is available but is older than Biden. I picture Mitch frozen at the mike while a mechanical voice like Hawking drones on. All other contenders seem as unlikely.
Trump may think he will seek and not accept election results but he may not have a liars choice.

Biden might not be able to continue, then what? The masked candidate?
Believe it or not but nearly half of Americans do not want Trump or Biden.


Lucky Aussies.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 06:22 PM

Former Aussie Prime Minister who showed himself as a poor imitation of Trump, in my opinion, is leaving Parliament and will take up two new jobs which are based in the USA but he will be working from Australia. His farewell parliamentary speech was yesterday. I didn't bother watching it.

Scary!!

Questions raised after Scott Morrison’s new defence job revealed

"Mr Morrison will clock in alongside key former Trump figures, former secretary of state Mike Pompeo and ex-security advisor Robert O’Brien.

"Scott Morrison has come under fire for taking on two jobs in the US private defence sector after the former prime minister announced his exit from politics.

"After revealing plans to resign in February, Mr Morrison said he would be joining consulting firm American Global Strategies as non-executive vice chairman.

"He will also assume a strategic advisor role with AUKUS investor DYNE Maritime, alongside former US Secretary of State and ex-CIA director Mike Pompeo.

"The venture capital company invests in technologies related to the joint security agreement that was orchestrated under Mr Morrison’s leadership.

"Greens [political party] defence spokesman David Shoebridge said Mr Morrison’s swift move into the private defence sector was an example of why the public was cynical about politicians.

“'Morrison is leaving politics only to grab his very unfair share of the billions of dollars of public money that he has shovelled into AUKUS,' Senator Shoebridge said.


The rest of the article has some interesting views, which I tend to agree with.

Morrison aka ScoMo was a slippery character while in the role of PM and he'll still be slippery in his new roles.

Subject: RE: Trump droppings number II
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 02:11 PM

Trump is proving his youthful powers by trying things he's never tried before. This week it was a salad.

His court thinks money is speech, corporations are people and Liberty is the freedom to take away rights, especially from women.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 05:31 AM

I'm not sure if the interest clock starts the moment Trump appeals so maybe interest has already started.


Boy, I was totally wrong about Musk. I now think he falls on the side of madness, not genius. I would like to know why he is all in for Russia and is anti American democracy.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 24 - 01:33 PM

After March 31 the interest is $87,000 a day.

Finding a billionaire or a collective of billionaires willing to risk cash on a bad penny will be difficult along with someone Trump can trust with the receivership of his property assets.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Feb 24 - 01:15 PM

There is a page that is a live tracker of Trump's Debt. I set a timer for 1 minute and it looks like he's paying (right now) about $82 a minute on that debt. It adds up in a hurry.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Feb 24 - 06:41 PM

Looks like Season 1 and episode 3. Do you suppose Stephen Fry could play Trump if Blackadder came to Washington? (Only because Robbie Coltrane is gone. It would need to be a big lump of a guy to play him.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Feb 24 - 06:20 PM

Can someone remind me, please? --- did the Black Russian turn up in the first or second series of Black Adder?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 24 - 08:02 AM

It's only natural that Trump is deeply envious of Putin's dictatorship. Trump is envious of the fantastic wealth of its oligarchs, the election fix is deeply entrenched, and Russia is in keeping with Trump's ideals on racism. I bet the US drinks more black russains in a day than there are actual Black Russians in Russia.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 06:16 PM

And don't forget malnutrition. All those fried foods and burgers. That might be his ultimate downfall.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:52 PM

The punchline from Don's RNC article:

And what have the Romneys gotten for their convenient pro-Trump obsequiousness? Their legacy left in rubble, ostracized from a Republican Party they helped to build.

As the saying goes, “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

The media could learn from that also - if you go for the ratings because Trump says stupid things you just promote his brand, as stupid as it is.

For those needing a scorecard (or a court calendar) here is the Just Security site with all of the stats and dates. All week next week Mar-a-Lago stuff is up; the MAL abbreviation suits Trump and this case perfectly; from Dictionary.com: "a combining form meaning “bad,” “wrongful,” “ill,” occurring originally in loanwords from French (malapert); on this model, used in the formation of other words (malfunction; malcontent)."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:15 PM

Nice one Helen! ;-)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:00 PM

BWM & DC, I'm guessing that if the cockwombles and henwombles are free range then they would be Wombling Free.

(The link is just in case the non-Brits and non-Aussies don't know what we're talking about. LOL)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 01:20 PM

Trump ousted RNC chairwoman because she was related to Mitt.
He replaced her with a Trump relation.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 01:20 PM

I think the big question re Nikki Haley is whether the Republicans would ever, ever, ever vote for a woman as president. I think she is assuming that they would consider her equal to a man and capable of anything a man could do and I would be very surprised if enough voters would turn out for her.


Very funny, DC!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 12:24 PM

The South Carolina primary is today, and Haley says she's in it for the long run, even if Trump wins today. She can do the math and is hoping that she's the last woman standing when Trump is officially found guilty of a federal crime. Gotta give her credit for figuring that out, but she has been a Trump toady for too long to make her an acceptable candidate. Hell, at this point, Romney should run. He's a lot less crazy sounding now; in his campaign against Obama in 2012 he was rejected as a tool of the rich. At least he is a normal human being. And he'd fit as far as the age of the rest of them, he's a year younger than Trump. :)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 12:10 PM

LOL! Never thought of that, Doug! :-)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 09:36 AM

BWM, I don't actually know what a cockwomble is

Presumably, a cockwomble is a male womble, such as Uncle Bulgaria or Tobermory. Madame Cholet, by that reckoning, would be a henwomble.
;-)

DC

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 08:37 AM

Trump has already distanced himself from the IVF controversy.
Its a 20 year old concern for the religious right. They called the frozen cells snowflake babies and complained extra zygotes were being thrown out with the bathwater when clinics disposed of them.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 08:27 AM

My mistake: the Planet America show is broadcast on Wednesday nights here and the Planet America Fireside Chat show is Friday nights.

BWM, I don't actually know what a cockwomble is, but I can guess from the example you mentioned. LOL

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 08:16 AM

It’s a very strange phenomenon - Republican ‘Pro-lifers’ defending the rights of the unborn, even of the unfertilised egg, yet decidedly anti-life when it comes to defending the rights of actual, living, breathing children by controlling the guns than kill them in their classrooms.

What a bunch of cockwombles.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 07:42 AM

Donuel, I read your comment about the zygotes and embryos.

The only reason I knew why you were mentioning that is because on Wednesday on the Oz TV show called Planet America Fireside Chat there was a segment on the Alabama ruling.

One political comment on the show was that this ruling would alienate more voters, especially couples hoping to have successful outcomes with in vitro fertilisation (IVF) programmes. A consequence of preventing or limiting IVF would be to also limit the number of children being born, which would seem to be contrary to the intention of Republicans who want to limit abortions to encourage more children being born.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:34 AM

The next Trump coup will be done all by the House.

Step 1: Ensure a R majority in the House by not certifying certain DEM wins

Step 2: Challenge certain States in the Presidential election.

Step 3: MAKE SURE neither candidate has enough delegates to win and the Constitution says the House will decide the election.



The election deniers can simply not certify and achieve a Trump win.


THIS IS ONE OF THREE POSTS THAT WAS DELETED.

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Stop straying off of the topic into esoteric stuff and they won't be deleted. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:22 AM

The RNC says they have their own problems and don't want to pay Trump's legal debts. His Freedom PAC is saying they will. It looks like there will not be any transparency of that dark money.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 05:21 AM

He doesn't care about the legal opposition. It gives him publicity and a platform to play the victim. The big trouble is, and I expect to be told off for this, it seems to be working :-(

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 12:05 AM

This might be a bit confusing, but ...

I use a term "sheepdogging" in certain situations where someone is out of control (usually in work situations with a pushy person doing things s/he shouldn't be doing) and then another person begins to quietly, determinedly round her/him up, like smart, quietly clever sheepdogs rounding up a mob of sheep based on commands from a nearby human.

It may take a bit of running around by the dogs, but eventually the mob of sheep are doing what they are expected to do. The sheep may not even realise that they have been outwitted by dogs and humans. The dogs don't bark or make a fuss. They just get on with the job.

I've been thinking about that in relation to Trump and his legal adventures. Initially he might think he is in control of the situation, but little by little he is being herded into a place where he no longer has as much control as he expects and he will have to start doing what he is told.

Another way of looking at it is that the noose around Trump's neck - figuratively speaking - is softly tightening, little by little every day and he might think he'll get away with it all, but I think he underestimates his legal opponents.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Feb 24 - 11:05 PM

The amount Trump is actually going to have to pay since Engoron signed the orders in that case is much higher than the amount calculated by news outlets last week. The orders include the interest on some of those amounts that goes back years, added onto the base announced last week. He owes $454M now and the interest every day until he pays is ~ 111,000.00 PER DAY. They're talking about it on MSNBC tonight.

This story from USA Today gives graphics and scroll to the bottom for a breakdown of the amounts he is liable for so far. How much is Trump ordered to pay? Graphics show a possible $500 million in penalties

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 24 - 05:02 PM

With the discovery that the FBI informant on the Bidens is a Russian agent, Chinese agents are also now exposed in the Trump election campaign.

The CIA has a saying "if you keep poisonous snakes in your yard and you disturb them, don't expect them to only bite your neighbors".

Jim Jorden and others have been bit.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 08:44 PM

So this happened this afternoon:

Judge denies Trump's request to delay enforcement of $355M fraud case penalties
Trump's lawyers had requested a 30-day delay in the enforcement of penalties.

The judge in former President Donald Trump's civil fraud case has rejected a request from the defense to delay the enforcement of the penalties in the case.

The defendants had asked Judge Arthur Engoron to delay the enforcement of the penalties by 30 days to allow for an "orderly post-judgment process."

"You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay," Engoron wrote in an email posted Thursday to the court docket. "I am confident that the Appellate Division will protect your appellate rights.

The rest at the link.

And this from PBS: Trump’s properties could be seized if $454 million civil fraud debt not paid, warns NY AG James

Donald Trump could be at risk of losing some of his prized properties if he can’t pay his staggering New York civil fraud penalty. With interest, he owes the state nearly $454 million — and the amount is going up $87,502 each day until he pays.

New York Attorney General Letitia James told ABC News on Tuesday that she will seek to seize some of the former president’s assets if he’s unable to cover the bill from Judge Arthur Engoron’s Feb. 16 ruling.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 04:40 PM

The ongoing danger is what the US must deal with after this Trump horserace is surely over. The Christian fascist nationalists will have many representatives in the government and courts for years to come.

Alabama courts are calling zygotes embryos or children now. The judge quotes God but not statutes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 02:07 PM

Thanks for that article, SRS.

Reading that makes me aware and very, very thankful for the standard of journalism on the Oz ABC radio and TV network. I think they fit that standard extremely well.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 01:49 PM

The LA Times has a paywall you hit pretty quickly, but I'll leave the share crap in the URL and it might open.

Opinion: How not to cover Donald Trump’s bizarre 2024 campaign for president

From October 7, 2023.
It starts:

The press should borrow a lyric from “The Sound of Music” and ask itself: “How do you solve a problem like Donald?” Or, put another way, how should journalists cover Trump’s unprecedented campaign for president while under indictment for trying to overturn an election and more?

The question concerns not just Trump but also politics and campaigns more broadly in an age of fragmented media and polarized politics. The answer requires recognizing journalists’ altered role and fulfilling it with more care, preparation and diligence.

Many confronting the challenge of covering Trump conclude that, as a recent column in the Arizona Republic put it, “It’s time to stop giving Trump airtime.” The larger point is that the media shouldn’t give exposure to people they know are going to make provably false assertions.

The problem with the “Don’t amplify liars” argument is twofold. First, the press is no longer a gatekeeper of what people know; it’s more often an annotator of what they’ve already heard elsewhere. So not covering Trump, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene or others in politics who say patently false things will not silence them. It will just leave them less examined.

Second, it’s a dereliction of the press’ duty to ignore powerful dissemblers and liars in public life. We have an obligation to explain what’s false and offer clear and persuasive evidence of the truth. We have to help the public understand.

The suggestion here is to develop a questioning strategy as an attorney would. "Attorneys identify where they want to end up and work backward, developing a series of questions that will guide a dishonest witness to a place where their evasions are exposed. Journalists need to plan their interviews in the same way but too often don’t."

It describes a Trump interview with Jonathan Swan that didn't go the way Trump wanted because the journalist was prepared to refute the fake stuff Trump spouted. And concludes, regarding the Meet The Press interview used to start the article, "When journalists lack that level of preparation, they slide into a trap Welker fell into. She ended up in a debate with Trump, repeatedly insisting “That’s not true” but having nothing in hand to prove it."

It gives a lot of examples of places journalists should do their research and fact-checking, and spend less time covering rallies (I think that is finally beginning to be the case for Trump rallies, fewer national journalists there, at any rate.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Feb 24 - 12:20 PM

Supreme Court allows sanctions against Trump-allied lawyers over 2020 election lawsuit
The justices leave in place an appeals court ruling that partly upheld sanctions arising from a lawsuit claiming that presidential election results in Michigan were rigged.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected appeals brought by Trump-allied lawyers who faced legal sanctions for baselessly alleging in court that the 2020 election in Michigan was fraudulently won by President Joe Biden.

By rejecting the appeals, the court left in place a June 2023 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that partially upheld the sanctions. . . .The lawyers were ordered to pay legal fees, undertake new legal training and were referred to their respective state bar associations for any disciplinary procedures.

These attorneys are going to be bankrupt long before Trump is.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 24 - 07:49 PM

I'm thinking the LIV golf association might buy some Trump courses cheap. After all, Trump needs a quarter billion for his legal charges since he only has 300 mil in cash.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 12:47 PM

From RawStory

Trump has already been 'quietly' selling off properties before court losses: NYT reporter

"He sold the operating lease to a golf course he had in New York," she elaborated. "He is also been quietly selling condominiums around New York and buildings he owned. He sold a house he owned in L.A. He has been, I don't know, stockpiling the cash he has been selling down, we don't know how much cash he has on hand. He said last year, close to 400 million."

The gold-tone sneakers are his latest desperate attempt to raise cash. I guess he isn't aware of the millions-worth of Kanye West sneakers that Adidas is trying to unload since they cut ties. There may be a glut in the name-brand sneakers world.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 24 - 12:42 PM

The courts are having their moment but Congress is still home of the wettest whistles in Washington.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 12:32 PM

Jack Smith met with Cannon for several hours last week; perhaps she is beginning to see that the horse she is backing is going down anyway so she might as well help lead him to that water. (Sorry about those mangled metaphors.)

The stories people were telling and illustrating with graphics yesterday were remarkable. Mar A Lago is a prime example - the Florida county estimates it is worth between $18 and $27m, but Trump was reporting 10 times those amounts. The property in Westchester County, NY, was valued by Trump as if the land had been subdivided and seven mansions already built and turnkey ready. No taking into account the process of getting permission to subdivide or the cost of building all of those dwellings.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 11:04 AM

Surprise ! Judge Cannon has denied the motions to delay the Mara Lago files case.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 24 - 08:23 AM

If Trump really needs cash there are billionaires here and in Saudi Arabia that want millions of dollars worth of reasons for Trump to give them a good deal - if he is ever President again.

Nobody is asking me but I think Trump is an historic bad bet.
Even Kushner got 2 billion from the Middle East. Not bad for a Real Estate panhandler.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 09:29 PM

I was being facetious. Compared to me and what's in MY pocket, his multi-million penalties are only pocket change for him. LOL

And I realised after I had posted that Fani Willis is an Attorney-General and not a judge, but I feel better knowing that she was a judge before because I recall her being referred to as a judge. (Maybe I'm not losing quite so many marbles as I think I am.)

A more analytical article in (Oz) ABC News:

Donald Trump faces countless court cases. But this $US355 million fraud ruling could hurt the most


It's a long article, but I think it is worth reading. The section headings are:

What did the court decide?
Remind me – what's this case about?
What is a 'scorched earth defence' and why did it backfire?
How has Trump reacted?
What does this mean for Trump's real estate empire?
What other cases are looming over Trump?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 07:41 PM

Trump can't even find a bond for the 5 million he owes Jean.
btw Helen, Fani is merely a prosecutor now but was formerly a judge.

Hey Donald Jr and Eric got 4 million dollar fines on top of the cash dad owes.