Clerical Abuse of Children

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 05:01 PM

Gibberish. I've contributed to this via my experiences at Catholic schools and via my grown-up experiences. Other people have made serious contributions. So far, we haven't had a proper contribution from you, though we have had your usual load of flannel. You are being disrespectful to the original poster and are being generally offensive.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 01:21 PM

I'm sure if anyone has an opinion you will give it to them.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 07:41 AM

You clearly have nothing of substance to say. As has been said, this is a serious and important topic, so, if you have nothing to contribute, kindly confine your silliness to your own threads, which are many and varied, and which provide you with all the opportunity you need to peddle your fluff.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 07:30 AM

PS: Steve, please stop talking about my testicles.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 07:28 AM

I think I summed up the mindset of the archbishops.
As for the damned perpetrators, Jesus will forgive.
I won't.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 06:14 AM

OK, Dave, will do... Oh, 'ang on, you didn't mean me, did you? ;-)

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 05:53 AM

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of clerical abuse of children and everythibg to do with trying, and failing, to abuse another member. Now, how about you take your silliness to Don's thread as I suggested and let this important topic be discussed without continuing your long term feud?

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 05:13 AM

Damned apostrophe's going missing...

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 05:12 AM

Nice slur. Your problem, of course. Creepy, dirty old men are men who act on their inclinations. The vast majority of we men are well in control, thanks. It ill-behoves you to make judgements about someone's whole character because you've read a post that you didn't care for (a post that simply expressed mild disagreement about something in another posters link). This is a grown-ups' website and if it bothers you either stay away or grow up yourself.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Helen
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 04:58 AM

A creepy dirty old man thinking about sex

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 04:20 AM

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 04:19 AM

Same post in two threads, link won't open, a complete mystery. In another thread I did rail against the pusillanimous use of euphemisms. Maybe that's it. Who knows.

In my own little world, in the last ten years or so I've known three men round here, separate cases, who skilfully hid their decades-old abuse of children from all of the rest of us. One died a few years ago, a man who played music with us. The other two, both old men now, are now serving very long prison sentences. They were both able to conceal their pasts for many decades largely by becoming pillars of the religious community in my town, assuming a cloak of respect that now seems staggering in retrospect. Whether any of their peers knew about them and kept schtum, I don't know. What I've always found disturbing about sexual abuse of children is how often we hear that the context of the abuse is religion, and, even when so many cases in that context are exposed, how institutional religion either appears not to recognise it or, much worse, tries to cover it up.

I was brought up a Catholic and was taught by priest and brothers. I didn't experience or hear of abuse, though I've seen rumours on the types of social media that I've ditched, not least because of that kind of nastiness. In my opinion, John-Paul II criminally neglected this issue, or was in denial maybe, during his long reign. Yet he's now a saint. Wow.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Helen
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 03:50 AM

This is relevant to the topic:

A creepy dirty old man thinking about sex thinking about sex in a normal, everyday environment near other people, including girls and women, just going about their daily business, oblivious to his creepy, dirty thoughts.

Maybe this is not unusual for some (or even most?) men, to think about sex in normal, everyday situations, but to crow about it and make it into a big joke on a public music-related forum, open to all people of all ages. Is that normal and healthy or is it creepy and dirty?

And then to act self righteous about the comments posted by other Mudcat members?

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 03:25 AM

Yes. Now will you please leave any more silliness off this serious thread.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Helen
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 02:38 AM

Are you and Steve Shaw a double act?

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 23 - 02:19 AM

Is it a double act, Helen? Don shits on a thread and you defend him? How about you both treat this topic with the gravitas it deserves and leave the silliness in one of Don's daft threads. Purely advice and I shall leave it at that.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Helen
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 10:59 PM

"And I don't indulge in tasteless pseudo-witticisms." Oh, you mean except for the recent tasteless pseudo-witticisms you made with reference to female genitalia in the last week?

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 08:58 PM

I find it astonishing that 4 archbishops could sweep such information under the carpet and protect the, to my mind, criminal perpetrator of such vile abuse. The archbishops first became aware of this in 1999 when the priest "confessed" to his abuses.

Not only should the priest be made subject to the full weight of the law, but I would suggest the archbishops who allowed him to go unpunished should also be brought to book.

I am also amazed, but sadly not surprised, that a poster here should be so crass and insensitive as to try and make humour from it.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 08:31 PM

Obviously not aimed at you, gillymor!

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 08:30 PM

The second post in this thread is tasteless, pointless and adds nothing to any potential conversation on this topic, which I'll have to return to tomorrow as there's been a Mudcat outage and it's my bedtime. I'm amazed that you appear to be leaping to its defence. And I don't indulge in tasteless pseudo-witticisms. I suggest you go back to bed and try this time to get out of the right side. Alternatively, you ignore me and I'll ignore you. Deal?

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 08:30 PM

Very creepy, Don and not at all funny.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Helen
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 05:41 PM

Take your own advice, Steve.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 05:27 PM

It would be really nice if you could keep your tasteless pseudo-witticisms out of what is a serious topic.

Subject: RE: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 05:25 PM

Blessed are the priests who cover their ass. Damned are the clergy who uncovered kids asses.

Subject: Clerical Abuse of Children
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 Jun 23 - 07:59 AM

Once again claims are made of the Catholic church knowingly suppressing evidence of child abuse and allowing self confessed abusers to continue to function in the duties of the church.

On this occasion 4 Archbishops in New Orleans went to great lengths to conceal facts that should have been reported to the relevant authorities.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/20/new-orleans-archdiocese-cover-up-serial-child-molester

The prepetrator of the abuse in still living. Is it not time to bring him to justice?