Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 03 - 12:03 PM For those who are suprised that: In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to become law without signing it. Be advised that it is the same deal for the President in Washington. The fact is that you don't know basic things about the legislative and govermental processes--why are you suprised that the people who are elected to office are ignorant? It seems like you are getting the representation that you deserve! |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Mickey191 Date: 14 Oct 03 - 07:54 PM Is this a possible scenario for future plans of the Republican Party? Won't they need Ca.'s electoral votes to get GWB reelected? Won't they have to help, in a very big way, the economy? Won't the Feds pour money in so the unemployment figures improve greatly? Who will get the credit for this? Ahr-nold? We know he's a puppet, but the strings will be pulled so quietly - he may actually get the credit. Just a thought. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Oct 03 - 08:16 AM I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this: THE SCHWARZENEGGING SONG (Les Barker) (if the tune isn't obvious to you you maybe don't know it at all) Here's one two three jolly lads all of one mind, We have come Schwarzenegging and we hope you'll prove kind. And we hope you'll prove kind with your eggs and strong beer Or we'll chop both your legs off and leave you sat here. Now the first to come in is young Arnold you see; He don't go through doorways for he's nine foot three; He don't go through doorways for he is too small; When Arnold comes in he just walks through the wall... (Next verses about Mad Max, Rambo and Rocky) Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Ebbie Date: 13 Oct 03 - 02:52 AM I saw part of Saturday Night LIVE last night. They did a funny bit where Schwarzenegger calls a press conference and confesses that he can't do the job, saying that he has been at the office four days and doesn't have a clue as to what he is supposed to do. He says he has left a message with Bustamante, the lieutenant governor, asking him to take over. When he is asked what he'll do if Bustamante refuses, he says there is only one thing he can do: call a special election to recall the lieutenant governor so that he can find someone else. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Bev and Jerry Date: 13 Oct 03 - 12:46 AM Today we heard someone play the old fiddle tune "Under the Double Eagle" which we thought referred to a gold coin no longer in circulation in America. Come to find out it was originally called "Unter dem Doppeladler" and was composed by Josef Franz Wagner, Austrian military bandleader and the Austrian March King. Wagner's Opus 19, refers to the double eagle in the coat of arms of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy. Does this mean that all of us in California are now going to have to learn this tune? |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,Singer Date: 12 Oct 03 - 02:53 PM Does anyone know whether Leonard Cohen still believes that democracy is coming to the USA. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Oct 03 - 11:58 AM Can't say I've noticed that effect myself. Being free from stress because you're loaded, and don't have to worry about trying to get on with other people any more, can easily tip people from tolerable into repulsive. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Amos Date: 12 Oct 03 - 09:58 AM Macduff for President -- who was from him mother's womb Untimely ripped!! Actually, if one does not have survival issues because he has a flush bank account he is less stressed by far, and thus likely to act more intelligent and appear more fetching. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: kendall Date: 12 Oct 03 - 07:32 AM I understand that this meathead went through bankruptcy a while back? Anyway, "natural born", couldn't that mean that if you were born Ceaserian that it is not normal? Here is an opening for the supreme court to appoint another asshole to the white house. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 12 Oct 03 - 04:46 AM Actually, it does work the other way, at least in one respect. People with money are perceived to be more beautiful and clever than people without money other things being equal. This effect is much more pronounced in males (with money). Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Oct 03 - 08:35 PM Being clever and beautiful might sometimes help people get heir hands on more money, Doug, but it sure doesn't work the other way. Unless you count cosmetic surgery, leaving Michael Jackson out of it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: DougR Date: 11 Oct 03 - 01:41 PM And you are infering that they don't, right? DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Metchosin Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:59 PM sorefingers, one can respect someone's accomplishments, but that doesn't necessarily mean you automatically agree with their philosophical direction or integrity. The danger is that, when one accumulates great money and power, they often believe that they have become more more intelligent and more beautiful too. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: MarkS Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:19 PM As long as we are sending Austrians to high national positions, why now nominate Wolfgang Puck for Secretary of State? The politics might not improve, but can you imagine the food at the state dinners? |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:10 PM I'm trying to work out whether all this will have rehabilitated the name "Arnold" from the rough time it had inthe USA from old Benedict Arnold, all those years ago - or will it have made thing worse. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 10 Oct 03 - 09:03 PM What a bunch of meanies you all are! Ahnol had nuttin when he came into the USA, and he must have been very determined indeed to get a decent job never mind the fame and fortune he now has. If he ran for the White House then I would be happy to vote several times for him! Go Davis Go .... |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Oct 03 - 12:14 PM Ha! Ha! Ha! What a great job! No wonder Arnold wanted it. I wonder if there's a proviso that allows the governor to do nothing at all for his entire term, thus sanctioning whatever happens in his abscence with a fairly low level of approval, while he goes golfing, fishing, etc... No wonder Reagan did so well as California's Governor. - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Oct 03 - 11:57 AM And they take home a fat salary for that? "A lower level of disapprival" - but how can anyone tell its not just a "lower level of approval". Or just didn't wake up that day? I think even Arnie should be well up to this kind of thing. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: jeffp Date: 10 Oct 03 - 11:27 AM By signing it he takes a measure of affirmative responsibility. By not signing he can express a lower level of disapproval than a veto would indicate. Pretty much an image thing, I would say. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Oct 03 - 07:37 AM In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to become law without signing it. So what's the point of signing it anyway? |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Merritt Date: 09 Oct 03 - 11:07 PM IMO this is a guy who's put the goober back in gubernatorial. He has a BS from the University of Wisconsin-Superior. When asked, he only says that he has a University of Wisc. degree, not that it came from a smaller 4-year campus within the UW system. Here's a bit from one of the on-line news services about the new Gubernator's learning curve: Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger called on Gov. Gray Davis not to make any more appointments or sign legislation in the waning days of his administration, although Schwarzenegger acknowledged it is Davis' right to do so. "I would like it really if he doesn't sign any more bills, as far as that goes," Schwarzenegger said. Davis spokesman Steven Maviglio said Davis will continue to make appointments and act on legislation. He added, "The governor-elect might be interested to learn that bills Governor Davis does not act on before the 13th of the month automatically become law." In California, the governor may veto a bill, sign it or allow it to become law without signing it. - Merritt |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:42 PM But Arnie clearly sees it the other way round. Except of course that he wasn't really doing all the exciting stuff in the movies. Most of that's Special Effects, and the first he'd see of it would be sitting in a cinema seat. Not unlike big politics really - if you ever see the TV version of anything you've been present at, it rarely bears too much resemblance to reality. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Amos Date: 09 Oct 03 - 01:32 PM Here's how I feel: like Mark Twain. "I am a person who would quit authorizing in a minute to go to piloting," Mark Twain once remarked. "I would rather sink a steamboat than eat, any time". I would rather sink a steamboat than worry about politics, any time. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 09 Oct 03 - 04:41 AM From a German TV-show yesterday: Have you already heard the good news today from California? Schwarzenegger won't be available for films during the next couple of years. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 09 Oct 03 - 03:30 AM Many years ago there was another movement to have a foreign born (English) very popular guy put up for US President. It came to nothing. It was Bob Hope. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: X Date: 08 Oct 03 - 04:07 PM I just don't give a shit anymore. Fuck it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Don Firth Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:53 PM To look on the bright side (big "if," perhaps), this could turn out to be kinda interesting. Arnold has come out as pro-choice, and some of his other ideas don't exactly mesh with the views of hard-core conservatives. In fact, a few people have commented that he's more like a centrist Democrat than a hard-core Republican. Also, there's the small matter of his wife. She is a Kennedy, after all, and Arnie has spent quite a bit of time around the Kennedys and the Shrivers. A few interesting things about Maria Shriver:-- 1. Not exactly a lightweight.Never underestimate the power of a woman. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Ebbie Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:48 PM "Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor of California" gives: "Warning - crazed Frog Arnie! He can go for voters. O Hell!" LOL That is so funny. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:13 PM 65% is pretty high these days. And I believe the voting register was way out of date, and this was one of the reasons argued for postponing the election. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Bev and Jerry Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:59 PM Here are two more possible reasons: 1. There is no God. 2. She has a wierd sense of humor. Bev and Jerry |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Kim C Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:46 PM The election may have been won just because 65% of the people registered to vote actually bothered to do so. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,pdc Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:35 PM Californians elected an action figure as governor of their state, to rescue them from their fiscal miseries. This election was won by Schwarzenegger for one or both of the following reasons: 1) Election fraud 2) The complete dumbing-down of the electorate Which reason does anyone prefer? (Alexis de Tocqueville was right!) |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:28 PM Chalk up another electoral victory for Karl Rove and the neo-cons. Tough times ahead for California. - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:12 PM A search around the net for anagrams turned up these: "Arnold Schwarzenegger" gives: "He's grown large 'n' crazed." "Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor of California" gives: "Warning - crazed Frog Arnie! He can go for voters. O Hell!" (and that one is a handmade effort by Stanley Accrington - a Lancashire folk comedian and no mean songwriter.And clearly a fast worker when it comes to anagrams. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Kim C Date: 08 Oct 03 - 12:26 PM Leo, I have yet to see any candidate that goes out of his way to prove anything. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: GUEST,heric Date: 08 Oct 03 - 12:23 PM "And Schwarzenegger himself headed the unsuccessful Bush-Cheney state campaign in 2000 and is known to have discussed his candidacy with George W Bush's top aide, Karl Rove." http://www.sundayherald.com/37214 And these guys made Issa cry, too. "The thing that won't die, in the nightmare that won't end." Total Recall |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Leo Condie Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:36 AM my judgement was more based on the fact that he avoided all debates and is obviously just a puppet anyway. maybe he does know things about politics but he sure didn't go out of his way to prove it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Kim C Date: 08 Oct 03 - 10:02 AM I want to preface my remarks by saying I really don't have a dog in this hunt. What the people of the People's Republic of California do is entirely up to them. But let's consider for a moment... There are many politically-savvy, intelligent, well-reasoning people on this forum. How would any of you like it if someone were to say, "he/she can't know anything about politics or government - he/she's just a musician." Not really fair, is it? I don't believe that having a career in music or the movies precludes a person's smarts in other things. I reckon Arnold is just as capable of being Governor as anyone else running against him. That being said, it will be interesting to see what happens next. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Amos Date: 08 Oct 03 - 09:39 AM Jesus, Pat, what a sense of humour ya got!!!! A |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Oct 03 - 06:05 AM Remember that the Kennedy family has a long history of tragedy occurring to their members while serving their country.......so there is hope. Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:43 AM Money buys all. Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Metchosin Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:40 AM he got a university degree by correspondence in the US. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Oct 03 - 03:35 AM Coming soon to a cinema near you, The Ass-man triumphs,the brain-dead, elected by Zombies. This is a Holywood spectecular, ARNIES ASS in two parts come early, come early and see the whole. Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Ebbie Date: 08 Oct 03 - 02:26 AM Uneasy lies the head, and all that. Kind of like getting someone's cheating husband- what you've acquired is a husband who cheats on his wife. Getting in through a recall doesn't sound like a long term job. Does anyone know what kind of education AS has? I realize that growing up in Europe he probably went to university- but what did he study? |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Oct 03 - 01:45 AM Yup, and politics is a killing profession that ages people way too fast. Arnold will find it's tougher than making movies, I suspect. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Amos Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:58 PM I am sorry to say predictions are running in Herr Arnoldt's favor. We'll see how long that smile lasts....power is corrosive. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Metchosin Date: 07 Oct 03 - 11:29 PM Wow!! Arnold for Obergropenführer.....sorry...couldn't resist. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Oct 03 - 07:26 PM But it's not "native born" but "natural born", which basically what it seems to mean is that you are a citizen at the time of your birth. So the definition of those who are citizens by reason of their birth (and thus eligible to run for President) could conceivably be widened to include people who at the time of their birth satisfied some other criterion. These can vary from country to country. To be an Irish citizen, for example, it is enough to have one grandparent who was born in Ireland. To be a citizen of Israel you have to be Jewish, (or else born there and not having left it as a refugee). To be British at one time living in "the Empire" was enough, but when too many black people started arriving they changed the rules. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Ebbie Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:35 PM Thanks, McGrath. I couldn't believe that an American mother's accident of birth would make the child less of a citizen than are the parents, and I'm glad to have that corroborated. I'm sure many an American mother has found herself across the line in Canada or in Mexico when her birth pangs began. I had never heard of there being dire consequences for the child. Besides which, 'native born' has more than one meaning. Among its meanings is 'belonging by right of origin', as well as 'by right of birth'. |
Subject: RE: BS: Arnold for President From: Barry Finn Date: 07 Oct 03 - 06:33 PM Hi Bev & Jerry, I did see my error in the Billions not Millions, only after I posted. The cost of this recall must be close to that again, no? What ever the cost of the recall is, espically if it's a rep. governor, you'll have to sell the state just to recoup & get back to where you where before this recall. Anyone want to by a state cheap, get it now or later. Later it may not be worth the shit on my shoe. Barry |