BS: Give Us A Break

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Gary T
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:35 PM

A careful reading of Guest,Al's first post will show that he was not referring to BS threads, but to "BS" on non-BS threads. Presumably he was frustrated with threads that meander while simultaneously failing to get to the point of the request. Unfortunately, his example: 'Don't say "I have the recording - I'll post it if nobody else does."' did not help his case, for the reason Metchosin gave in the first response.

Guest,Al's original viewpoint may be shared by others who would prefer to see song request threads kept short and on topic. Unfortunately (again), the scolding and dictatorial nature of his first post and the understandably negative reactions to it have likely discouraged some who might have felt as he did from posting.

A new thread, Guest,Al, using the "honey instead of vinegar" approach, may at this point be more effective in seeing if there is support for your position.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:35 PM

Hagbard! I hadn't even thought of using the auto-complaint-generator! Good one!

Simon-Pierre, welcoem to the Mudcat!

katlaughing

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:27 PM

They seek him here they seek him there those Frenchies seek him everywhere. Is he in heven or is he in hell that demmed elusive Pimpernle..<><><><>>><><><><>><><><><>><><><>><.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 10:03 PM

Al...the reason there were 14 replies to your post is that a number of poeple gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you wanted to communicate.

If that is not what you wanted...if you wanted no-one to communicate...why did you post a thread at all? :>) Oh! Maybe so you could capture the offenders and chastise them for not adhering to the true light of Constant Folk?

Tell ya what -- stay away from those terrible BS threads.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Hagbardr
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 09:51 PM

Let's talk again about an all-too-familiar subject: Guest Al and his amoral expositions. Permit me this forum to rant. Technically, he thinks that everything he says is thoroughly and utterly true. However, some ribald wretched primates don't have a clue. Whenever he finds himself confronted by the law, he insists it needs reforming. Even if we accepted Guest Al's bromides, so what? Does that mean that his "compromises" prevent smallpox? Of course not. I agree that I am quite certain that Guest Al has failed to provide us with a context in which his hastily-mounted campaigns could be discussed and understood. But I also think that letting Guest Al erode constitutional principles that have shaped our society and remain at the core of our freedom and liberty sends a clear message to what I call atrabilious wastrels that they can popularize a genre of music whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge superstitious airheads to criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle.

I'm sure you get my point here. In other words, he treats serious issues callously and somewhat flippantly. To make a long story short, those who believe that everyone and everything discriminates against Guest Al -- including the writing on the bathroom stalls -- are either naive or deliberately misled. His memoirs are a disgrace and an outrage. So don't feed me any baloney about how governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. That's just not true. The Orwellian implications of Guest Al's wheelings and dealings are clear.

Sexism, in this case, is a tactic tied to a broader strategy of granting Guest Al the ability to create an ideological climate that will enable him to mold the mind of virtually every citizen -- young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated. As for the lies and exaggerations, to forestall his vengeful solutions, it would be immensely helpful to have more people understand that this hasn't sat well with power-hungry voluble yobbos. Perhaps it sounds like stating the obvious to say that if Guest Al is going to make nearby communities victims of environmental degradation and toxic waste dumping, then he should at least have the self-respect to remind himself of a few things: First, history has once again proved me right. And second, in order to build an inclusive, nondiscriminatory movement for social and political change, we must embrace diversity. And that's just the first step. Remember, Guest Al should stop caterwauling about what he doesn't understand. (Actually, Guest Al's protests do not hold under close moral scrutiny, but that's not important now.) Now that this letter has come to an end, I honestly hope you walk away from it realizing that unravelling the Gordian Knot that is Guest Al is not difficult when you realize the multifaceted nature of Guest Al and his cronies.

I've been waiting for a good chance to use the automatic complaint generator.

Hagbard

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 09:50 PM

Bien dit, mignonne -- alors, pourquoi m'as-tu dit que t'as oublie toute la Francaise qu't'as appris? Hein?

Ah, zut, c'est divinit&gravee n'arretera jamais m'etonner!

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Áine
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 09:33 PM

Simon-Pierre,

BS is an abbreviation (in English) for 'merde de taureau'.

-- Áine

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: MMario
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 09:33 PM

Simon-pierre -

BS - stand for "Whatever you want it to mean but not necessarily music related"

For sending personal messages, click on the "personel pages" link at the top of the page, and then "send a message" from that page. You can send a message to any registered mudcat, but not "guests". when you have a message waiting, the main forum page will display a notice for you. to delete the messages after you read them, you have to archive them, and delte from the archive page.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: simon-pierre
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 09:27 PM

Hey, it's quite funny here!

But, as i am a definitly bonehead newbie (but not a guest), can someone could tell me what does mean BS? In my country, it's the check the governement send you when you got no work...

And by the way, do i understand that you can send personnal message throught this site?

Maybe this thread could be useful...

SP

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 08:16 PM

I squid you not, there are some very historic songs about boneheads:

Bonehead was a warrior, way-ay-o

Say boneheads remember, they called me Al
It was Al all the time
Say boneheads remember - I'm your pal...

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 02:07 PM

What's an Akronism -- some local joke made in Akron?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: GUEST,Marymac90
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 01:53 PM

And when in an Akron, do what anakronisms do!

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Banjer
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 01:39 PM

Chet W., if you call yourself being an anachronism then I am proud to number myself as one of you! I too feel that when in Rome, do as the Romans do...And when in Turkey,..well you turkeys know what to do..!!

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 01:24 PM

Amos, I think what happen was Brendy was so out of control, Andres wrestled him down and sat on his chest. But it seems like Brendy's okay now, so Andres got off.

Little Neo

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 12:35 PM

I'm new to the thread. What's that on Brandy's chest?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Áine
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:52 AM

Brendy, you crack me up!! And I'm so glad that you feel better now -- that looked like it was a very heavy thing to be carrying around on your chest!

-- Áine

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Brendy
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:47 AM

No, I agree with Al. So that's why I won't post to this thread. Go away everyone.

I'm pleased with myself now, that I didn't drag myself down to everybody else's level by lending credence to this ridiculous thread.
It is, quite simply, the most ridiculous subject EVER, and people, who are people, should realise this.
Enough bullshit has been crapped about these kind of threads.
And it's all true.
So my advice to everyone is to ignore Al, ignore meaningless posts like this, and lets all get back to the serious business of being.........serious, I suppose.
I cant stress the point enough folks

Ignore BS Things

They serve only to increase stress levels, which are high enough already

Thanks be to God I didn't get that off my chest!!!!

B.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: wildlone
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:43 AM

Headbone's connected to your neckbone

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Chet W.
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 11:25 AM

I know that I'm an anachronism and so are good manners, but to show up at a place and, without a warrant, start to tell people what they should be doing is not a good mark.

Chet

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Gint
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 10:02 AM

I'll get back to you on this one

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Escamillo
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 03:08 AM

The Police has spoken. As for me, I'll continue learning music and contributing for things I do know, and posting some friendly or humorous comments too. As an amateur musician, I have never felt restricted to anything from the owner of the site, nor from other members. Futhermore, 14 BS replies to a quite clearly marked "BS" thread seems natural. A very different thing would be 14 BS posts to musical threads, which we don't do. I'm getting bored of people who come here to insult everybody, but the Mudcat has a value (musical and human) that is far more important.
Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 03:01 AM

OK, let's get a BREAK going here, who's got the break?
Fiddles! now
Banjos!

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: SeanM
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 02:45 AM

Hey Al... here's a thought...

If you don't like the BS threads,

then...

A) Don't contribute to them

and

B) Don't start them!

Simple!

What you've done here is barely a step above base internet trolling... posting on an inflammatory topic, and then setting yourself up to be able to insult anyone who responds to you regardless of their post.

Now, I don't know you, and I don't know your reasons for posting here, but if you REALLY want to keep things based on "folk" then POST ONLY TO THOSE THREADS. And keep off the flamebait. The only thing around here it will destroy is your credibility.

Sheesh...

M

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 02:27 AM

Y'all just proved my point - 14 replies within 24 hrs to a post quite clearly marked BS. Some people would like to use this site to obtain help on folk/acoustic music. Be a part in the disemination of information - don't clog up the legitimate threads with your own particular and strange theories. If you know nothing - don't post - you just look like an idiot! If you must create a new thread, please clearly label such items as "BS Thought For The Day" and whatever. It makes it easier for people who have a serious intention to avoid the spurious and inane on the site. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Escamillo
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 01:31 AM

Thanks Chet, my doctors can give evidence that at least in my case, head is composed of a solid block of bone with a little cavity deep inside, for which they still can't find a reason or use. I am sure it's a resonance chamber for better singing.
Bonk ! - Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 12:34 AM

The gnashing beak and thrashing tentacles of a giant octopus...the only nonbonehead in town. Song there somewhere.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 12:27 AM

I dunno...Maybe he's squid or something, huh Chet? Got the slimy part down pretty well........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Chet W.
Date: 13 Feb 00 - 12:02 AM

Forgot to say earlier, as a biology teacher I can tell you that a head without a bone will not do good service. I'd see an orthopedist first, probably will need to get a neurologist involved. Keep us posted.

Chet

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Banjer
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 07:07 PM

Well, just like the 'Ignore This Thread' threads, this resident bonehead just cannot resist posting to it. 'Guest Al' must reralize by now that posting as he did in his opening salvo does nothing but stir up the locals...Thanks , Al, for another interesting use of the BS thread system!

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 06:05 PM

QUEST: I like that. Seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Chet W.
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 03:53 PM

Since no one else has answered your initial request, Guest, please feel free to take a break. Come back when you feel refreshed. Have a coffee. Read People magazine, always right to the point. We'll save your place!

For the bonehead contingent, Chet

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: GUEST,skarpi Iceland
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 10:23 AM

My dear man , the people of mudcat family have help me alot and by sending an E-mail to this man or a woman are one way to let you know that they can help you to find what you are looking,I often get this message and I just come back to the thread later . My fellow Mudcatters as you can see today I am a QUEST damm,#!!!!!!!!. Somthing happent to my computer, so I cannot send a personal post, and I was going to. Sorry me.So Max if you see this thread please look into it, I can´t find my cookie. skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 10:11 AM

Boneheads, bonehead, not bineheads.

Bonehead

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 10:10 AM

Re: Bineheads probably will add shit to thread

I dunno Al -- but I do know a few boneheads and will email and ask them if they will, and get back to you with their reply. What's your email address?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: bbelle
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 10:01 AM

Since you are a guest, you might try acting like one ... moonchild

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 07:33 AM

I think Al's is the kind of comment that is better responded to in a friendly personal message, explaining something about how things work, and suggesting lightening up. But since he's a GUEST that's not possible.

But while it can seem a nuisance having masses of threads, so that the one you're looking for gets lost, that's not really such a big problem, if you use FIND and the 3 days RESTORE, and revive threads if hey haven't had the response they need.

However I can't see how it makes a lot of difference if a thread builds up a bit of length. Normally when a simple request turns into a long thread, it means that some interesting stuff is turned up - related songs, stories about where they came from.

With the requests that end after one or two posts, it normally means the songs in the DT anyway, but the person posting hasn't worked out how to look there. What I like is threads that start "This song is in the DT - but what is it all about?" and so forth.

Where a song isn't in the DT, it's amazing how quickly this place comes up with the goods - and if a song isn't in the DT that deserves to be it's normally unusual enough to deserve some kind of exploration and discussion.

Incidentally I don't know anybody without a lot of bone in their head. I mean, there aren't a lot of molluscs on the Internet, I'm led to believe. (And that is friendly jocular, not sneery, I suppose I should point out. I don't do emoticons as a rule. I don't know how to spell them.)

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Escamillo
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 05:39 AM

Al, I understand that there is a person who created this forum, who maintains it and who has the authority to say what is best for all, what is shit and what is not shit, who are boneheads and who are not.
You may contact him by sending a message to "Max".
Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: Give Us A Break
From: Metchosin
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 01:55 AM

Guest Al, Do not be so quick to condemn. Some post, I'll get back to you, to guests, so that the person requesting help does not feel their post is being ignored. It is a form of politeness. You would be surprised what you may learn from thread drift. How dull the world would be if terse supposedly "informative" answers, were all the world engaged in.

Subject: Give Us A Break
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 12 Feb 00 - 01:42 AM

There is just too much BS being posted on the non BS links that it is becoming difficult to help the folks that are genuinely looking for information. I see 40 and 50 posts on a simple request. For God's sake, if you don't have any useful information to add - don't post. Don't say "I have the recording - I'll post it if nobody else does." LISTEN to the recording and THEN post the lyrics. Don't post "I don't know that one - I'll send an Email to xxx to see if he/she knows." In other words, if you don't have anything to contribute to the thread - don't post. PS. PLEASE DO NOT add more shit to this thread - although the boneheads undoubtably wll.