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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 21 Jul 24 - 03:42 PM I am sad..and worried. Perhaps he should also quit and let her at least be POTUS for a few months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Jul 24 - 03:02 PM It's on the Beeb, and on Sky News, here in the UK: Joe Biden's stepped down ("in the best interests of my country"), and nominated Kamala Harris as presidential candidate. Much debate about who will be nominated as Harris's running mate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:56 PM I must add that I am looking forward to seeing Harris shred Trump at the next debate. It gives me more hope for the future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:51 PM At least he lasted longer than Liz Truss... |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:41 PM Let's phrase it in the form of a statement. Biden has issued on on-line announcement that he is departing the race. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:39 PM Biden has gone? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Neil D Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:33 PM Meanwhile in Ohio a 10-year-old who was raped and impregnated at age 9 was forced to go out of state for an abortion. This was only 6 days after Dobbs but Ohio had a trigger law in place that outlawed all abortion instantly. Then the Indiana Board of Medicine investigated the performing Dr and hit her with a bogus patient confidentiality charge and a $3000 fine. I say bogus because, though she had commented on the case, she had never mentioned the patient's name. In April 2023, the head of Cincinnati Right to Life, Laura Strietmann, commented that the girl should have been forced to give birth, explaining that although "a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, a woman’s body is designed to carry life," and that abortion rights should not be brought to a public vote.[23] Despite Strietmann's argument, a vote was held in November 2023 which amended the Constitution of Ohio to protect abortion rights. That election last November was quite interesting in Ohio. We not only legalized abortion but we legalized cannabis as well. And this is a fairly deep red state. I think there were 2 factors at work here: the 2 bills supported each other. People who came out for legal pot also voted for legal abortion and vice versa; also, I think that these 2 issues do not break down as much on party lines as people think. I'm certain that many Republican women voted for the abortion bill and I think most people of each party have come to realize that marijuana laws are obsolete. Ohio wasn't the only red state to vote to protect abortion rights after the Dobbs decision. Kansas is one that comes to mind. Now as to the comments of Laura Streitmann, I'm not big on hyperbole so I'm not going to say that all Repubs are heartless and inhumane, but her views do reflect those of a substantial percentage of that party. All the more reason we can't let the GOP get control of our government. . |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 01:32 PM I have not complained about anything but being told to shut up! And I have never told anyone that they are going to fail. Look back through my posts and I have only ever said that I hope, wish and pray that you are right but I fear the worst. My fears are real to me but they do not reflect on anyone else's ability. On a tangent here but I forgot to add before - Did anyone else notice that "Hulk" Hogan appeared at Trumps recent rally? Who remembers the Trump vs McMahon nonsense on WWE? I used to worry that so many people seemed to believe that all this stuff was real. Now it is happening in politics and it now scares me to death! |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jul 24 - 12:53 PM Florida and Texas both have toxic governors who transport immigrants who just arrived in the US to northern "liberal cities." They have clamped down on abortion rights to such an extent that pregnant women with complications are nearly dying before they can receive the care they need. Delayed and denied: Women pushed to death's door for abortion care in post-Roe America DENTON, Texas, and NEW YORK -- This is Part II of a three-part special ABC News investigation looking at the impact of abortion restrictions in America after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022. The "Impact by Nightline" broadcast, "On the Brink," with exclusive interviews by Diane Sawyer and Rachel Scott, brings you inside the raw, intimate and overlooked conversations playing out in clinics and exam rooms as the country continues to confront the realities of a post-Roe America. It premieres Dec. 14 on Hulu. Her baby was going to die. Abortion laws forced her to give birth anyway Texas Supreme Court rejects challenge to state's abortion ban over exceptions for pregnancy complications Five women brought the lawsuit in March 2023, saying they were denied abortions even when issues arose during their pregnancies that endangered their lives. The case grew to include 20 women and two doctors. A woman who sued Texas for access to abortion seeks a procedure out of state instead Kate Cox, a 31-year-old woman from the Dallas area facing pregnancy complications who had sued the state of Texas for access to an abortion, has left the state to get the procedure, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights. New Biden ad blames Trump as Texas woman says she nearly died after abortion ban The Biden campaign released an ad Monday featuring a Texas woman who said she almost died because she was not able to get the abortion she needed following a miscarriage. When you keep posting the same complaints again and again it doesn't allow the conversation to precede. It annoys the participants. You're telling us we're going to be failures in solving this problem. So, like I said before, stop it. We don't need that kind of negativity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 11:40 AM ...and, Helen, no, I don't use any of those things. I use my eyes and ears on a number of different sources. If you can only come up with sarcastic comments instead if reasoned arguments, your posts are not really worth reading. Tell you what, as soon as you see a post that is from me, ignore it and I will do the same with yours. Deal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 11:28 AM You are giving us a glimmer of hope, Stilly, and I sincerely hope that you are right. But being told to shut up by another member is not my idea of open debate. You are not my only US contact for news BTW and my cousin and his wife, both Democrats and fiercely anti Trump, are already making arrangements to move here after November. They are in Florida though so maybe their view is different to that of the average Texan. Are you sure that you are reflecting the view of the typical American and not just that of your own bubble? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jul 24 - 11:12 AM Give it a break, Dave. No one is saying everything is coming up roses, but since I LIVE HERE I have a better sense of just how pissed off American women are that the GOP and the Supreme Court are taking away our rights. Pete and repeat on the remarks about doom and gloom. Trump doesn't know what is going to hit him in November. And apparently your pundits haven't caught a whiff of that anger and frustration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Jul 24 - 07:10 AM BBC News just now, reporting that Trump has claimed, in a speech, that he ‘took a bullet for democracy’. You really couldn’t make it up, could you? Unfortunately, there are likely to be a large number of Americans who will fall for it, exactly the same way they’ve fallen for the rest of his shit. Let’s pray they are outnumbered by Americans with intelligence and a well-developed sense of right and wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 21 Jul 24 - 06:42 AM So how much do you charge for your precognitive readings? And do you use a crystal ball, tea leaves, tarot cards, psychometry, communing with the spirits? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Jul 24 - 05:06 AM "Endlessly repeated prophecies of doom can generate a sense of hopelessness" While sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "everything's coming up roses" while others despair at what the US electorate have to put up with is very helpful? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 21 Jul 24 - 04:21 AM I just watched PBS Washington Week With The Atlantic. One of the members of the panel discussed the difficulty of finding a candidate to run instead of Biden, if he drops out, and especially given that the timing is very tight for a November election campaign. I think it was the same panel member who also mentioned the lack of success when Hillary Clinton ran instead of Barack Obama, although we know that the tricks played by Trump and the election interference made it more difficult for her to succeed. Another panel member made the point that the Democrats can operate like a proper political party in discussions and decisions, even while weighing up the pros and cons of Biden continuing his campaign, unlike the Republicans who are "all over the shop" [that's my terminology], random and out of control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Jul 24 - 04:03 AM I see from an article in The Guardian that hard questions will be asked of all those responsible for security at the Trump rally. Gunman at Trump rally flew drone over fairgrounds earlier on day of shootings They mention the following: "New information about Crooks’ intensive planning for the attack has also been gleaned from 14,000 browser history links in his phone. While he did not leave an ideological manifesto common to many mass-shooting perpetrators, FBI investigators have disclosed that online searches linked in his phone showed that he’d researched school shootings. He reportedly searched Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley and had a mugshot of him on his phone. Crooks also performed internet searches on next month’s Democratic convention and Joe Biden, depressive disorder and explosive materials and chemical compounds. Crooks brought a pair of homemade bombs to the rally designed to be set off with a remote fireworks igniter, as well as a bulletproof vest and three 30-round magazines later found in his Hyundai Sonata." I know that the investigation is still ongoing but are the police obliged to update the media as the investigation continues? Another story today US Secret Service rejected previous Trump team requests for more resources – reports I guess more will come to light when Kimberly Cheatle testifies before the US House of Representatives oversight committee on Monday. Then we will have to wait until the investigation is completed, published and then the various spins applied. I hope security is improved for the remainder of the campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Jul 24 - 02:56 AM BBC Radio 4 had a programme yesterday in their profile series, on J D Vance. (NPR were also mentioned) Profile - J D Vance From ‘hillbilly’ roots to becoming Donald Trump’s nominee for vice-president. At 39, if JD Vance is elected, he would be one of America’s youngest ever Vice-Presidents. A lot has been laid bare in his own words, in ‘Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis’. He talks about being raised by his grandparents who moved from the Appalachian Mountains area of Kentucky to Ohio, to a Middle America Rust Belt town looking for a better life. His mother struggled with drug addiction and a string of chaotic relationships. So how did he go from a sometimes unstable, sometimes violent, upbringing to being in the running to take one of the highest offices in American politics? There’s another transformation many wonder about too: why did he change his mind on Trump? Only in 2016 JD Vance said ‘I can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.’ Mark Coles finds out. Credit: NPR Fresh Air Presenter: Mark Coles Producers: Phoebe Keane, Diane Richardson Editor: Penny Murphy ++ An interesting choice of candidate. I do have my doubts that they really get on. Probably both think they are taking advantage of the other in their pursuit of ??? Ride that tiger. Ride that tiger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 20 Jul 24 - 06:35 PM Thanks Neil D, for your summary of the key issues at stake. And thanks Stilly, for working towards encouraging more people to vote in the election. Two of the main worries I have (from my perspective as an interested outsider in a country allied to the US) are: that the persistent badgering of President Biden to back down from his election campaign could undermine the chances of Democrat success especially in the absence of a likely alternative candidate at this late stage in the campaign; and that it may also discourage voters who are told repeatedly that Trump will win regardless of how they vote or even whether they vote. Endlessly repeated prophecies of doom can generate a sense of hopelessness which can discourage proactive action, and it is made worse when the prophecies of doom are not necessarily based in solid facts and are instead based on opinion and fear, or selective media coverage, or maybe even a secret sense of glee at others' misfortune. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jul 24 - 05:36 PM Dave, what, except complain, do YOU intend to do from the UK? I don't think you can legally donate to campaigns here. You can't vote. So you folks who are nagging are nagging the choir. What is FA? Fuckall? Then just say it. Those of us who can are working on these things, choosing the avenue that works best. I am participating with a Texas-based group that is working to register voters here in Texas. Donations to non-partisan groups that support voting rights, select politicians, and a group that does excellent videos explaining how politics work (or should work) headed by Professor Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary under Bill Clinton (the group is Inequality Media Civic Action, out of Berkeley, CA, and you might be able to donate to them.) We don't give a rat's ass what bookies in the UK OR IRELAND think, and we don't need to hear about it repeatedly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Neil D Date: 20 Jul 24 - 05:28 PM Don't know how I got cut off but let me continue. Even as Vance is telling the convention how they were going to defend the working class against the elites, Trump is meeting with said elites promising another corporate tax cut. A disaster for children as they continue the onslaught against the public school system. Against the true teaching of history and science. A disaster for minorities, immigrants, allies, our constitution. The Dems could elect a farm animal or piece of cheap furniture and it would be a better alternative than Trump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Neil D Date: 20 Jul 24 - 05:15 PM In October of 1919 President Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating stroke. His wife Edith and his inner circle hid the extent of his disability and Edith basically ran the country for the next year and a half and no one knew because she put forward his policies. The point is that it doesn't matter if the president succumbs completely to dementia, we still need to vote for him. His policies and agendas will be forwarded by those around. The real disaster would be another term for Trump. A disaster for seniors and the infirm (Project 2025 specifically calls for defunding Medicaid and Medicare). A disaster for the environment (Trump has already vowed to end most regulations on pollution and investment in alternative energy. A disaster for women especially if the GOP also takes the Senate. There will most certainly be a federal ban on abortion. A disaster for workers. Even as Vance |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Jul 24 - 03:26 PM Helen. Doing anything on an obscure folk music forum will do sweet FA. Cheerleading from the sidelines in Australia will do sweet FA. Telling people to sit on their hands and do nothing is worse than sweet FA. It is dangerous. First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me I shall speak out against anything I perceive as wrong whether or not my friends agree. And saying nothing about the traction that Trump is gaining with Biden's seeming frailty is simply wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 20 Jul 24 - 02:01 PM Dick, in a previous post I recall Stilly saying she is involved in encouraging local Democrat-leaning voters to vote in the election. Give it a rest please. Let the US voters get on with the job and stop quibbling over bits and pieces of posts which are nothing (in my opinion) compared with the important work of ridding the US and the world of a dangerous autocrat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 20 Jul 24 - 12:07 PM , and let us work on this quote you are not involved, are you?, |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Charmion Date: 20 Jul 24 - 11:43 AM I enjoy and admire the political and social commentary of a bearded person on YouTube who calls himself "Beau of the Fifth Column". My brother Andrew calls him the Sage of Rural Florida. Here's his channel: Beau of the Fifth Column And here's what he has to say about replacing Biden: The Roads to Replacing Biden Beau often tells his listeners to cool their jets and wait for the media chatter to die down, all the while paying close attention to what people actually do. He also recommends reading widely across the spectrum of opinion. He seems to be politically non-partisan, being interested primarily in parties' and candidates' efforts to support people who are doing less than well in life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 20 Jul 24 - 11:04 AM At risk of this being snipped, I can't help but think: Is this what they mean by Replacement Theory :-) ? Runs and hides |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jul 24 - 10:55 AM He's not being asked by the voters. He's being asked by some of the big donors (who also have a megaphone), and that isn't all of the big donors. And if you think it's a simple matter of switching names on the ballot, you need to go listen to AOC's précis of what is happening in those smoke filled rooms. THE LAST THING WE NEED IS THE COURTS INVOLVED IN WHO IS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE. Right now the DNC is in control. You want to see the Supreme Court wade in? Then, like I said, sit on your hands, be patient, and let us work on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Raggytash Date: 20 Jul 24 - 10:49 AM SRS it's not often that I defend Dick but the media we receive on this side of the pond is very much suggesting that Biden is being asked to step aside by many in his own party. For example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/20/biden-resists-democratic-calls-step-down We are being fed such articles on a daily basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jul 24 - 10:44 AM Dick, I don't know where you're getting your information - perhaps some of those elite Democratic donors? The rest of us, the mainstream voters, understand that Biden is older but he's doing fine. Way better than asshat Trump. You keep making pronouncements without evidence and I will dismiss them without having to dig out any, except of course that I live here and pay attention to this stuff. Hitchens Razor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 20 Jul 24 - 02:57 AM Lockheed Martin[armaments]donated to both candidates, but twice as much to Trump |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 20 Jul 24 - 02:04 AM He will not "be replaced." He will choose to continue to run or to step down, no one is doing any replacin QUOTE your comment is an example of quibbling HE will not win the presidential race because he wont be there ,because he is in too poor health. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 19 Jul 24 - 11:07 PM Yes, it's too late to change horses in midstream. I expect that Biden will start making some very strong statements about Trump and his (make believe) policies and about the 2025 Project. And I'm hoping he will also build up awareness and confidence in the outcomes he has already achieved as President, and the outcomes he hopes to achieve, e.g. righting the wrongs done by Trump, including women's right to choose their own health and well-being strategies in conjunction with medical professionals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jul 24 - 10:50 PM To understand some of the background in this whole "the rich donors want to change the candidate" debate, list to AOC - Alexdria Ocasio-Cortez. She gave a lot of background in an Instagram talk that you may find helpful. https://www.instagram.com/p/C9l41vgOAGj/. The thing is, if any of the party machinations should become issues that go to court, there is a potential that the Trump Supreme Court could get a chance to weigh in and trash the party. Stick with the one that brung you, and move forward. Biden has the electoral votes. Changing any of this now risks court cases and if you think it's ugly now, just wait consider what would happen (and all of the Trump and Putin interference included) to the party right before the election. Leave well-enough alone and move forward. That's the only sure way to keep Trump out of office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jul 24 - 06:20 PM He will not "be replaced." He will choose to continue to run or to step down, no one is doing any replacing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Jul 24 - 09:55 AM He will be replaced according to the book makers |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Jul 24 - 02:56 PM Biden was diagnosed with COVID yesterday and has already started Paxlovid. He is isolating at the family home in Delaware. We are hearing of remarks shared from Obama, and that seems to be the one person that will carry the most weight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:41 PM Oddly enough in an interview I just heard he did say that one of the factors that may cause him to stand down would be the diagnosis of a serious medical condition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Tattie Bogle Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:37 PM Apart from any debate as to whether Biden show evidence of Alzheimer's or not, there has also been a lot of of discussion as to whether he might have Parkinson's Disease. His own Dr and neurologist deny this, though it has been questioned by a number of other eminent neurologists. (Just Google Biden + Parkinson's and you'll find plenty of reports). It is also the impressions that I (retired medic)get: you don't necessarily have to have the tremor as part of Parkinson's Disease: in some people it manifests more as the mask-like facies, paucity/rigidity of movement, quiet voice, proneness to trips and falls. If he should stay on and get re-elected, it's doubtful how well he would manage another 4 years if he does indeed have it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:06 PM I see that Obama has now weighed in against Biden. How does this affect things and who will step in if he does stand down? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jul 24 - 11:12 AM I don't know that voter registration lists are available to the public, but there are certainly lots of organizations who try to challenge them (hoping to knock out voters who will have a harder time renewing their registrations and who may have voted against the party the organization represents.) Nasty business. You can see who people donate to, assuming normal donations, because you have to give some background (are you employed, where, what party are you registered in, and in that instance it may show when you last voted.) PACs and huge money donors live in an entirely different world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 17 Jul 24 - 02:02 AM Another question about US politics. "She was a Democrat back in 2014, but is now registered Republican" I am guessing that this refers to those states (31 according to wiki) that allow people to mark their party affiliation, or their unaffiliated status, on their voter registration form? It is not an indication that they are a member of the Republican or Democrat parties? Are the voter registration lists available to the general public to peruse? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:32 PM The MSNBC talking heads today have been discussing the Project 2025 Heritage Foundation plan for the future and its relation to J.D. Vance - he is apparently their hand-picked candidate and Trump accepted him. Meanwhile, the Washington Post has revealed that Vance's wife is an attorney who clerked for both John Roberts (chief justice) and Brett Kavanaugh of the supreme court (when she worked for Kavanaugh he was in the U.S. Court of Appeals in D.C.) Usha Vance, wife of Trump’s VP pick J.D. Vance, is a lawyer and Yale graduate. She was a Democrat back in 2014, but is now registered Republican and is quiet about politics. Sounds like she's in a difficult position politically. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 16 Jul 24 - 01:30 PM I think the next Islamic country to have the bomb will be Britain. But seriously, The election is still uncertain. There's no lock. We've got an incompetent liar for Republican Vice President now, in addition to the incompetent liar (but lucky reflexes) we've got top of that ticket. I'll take Kamala over either or both. And Joe is a hero to me. We all know he's too old, but we need his sanity (and Supreme Court picks). Gotta say it clear: I was very concerned that we get through Obama's two terms without an attempt on his life. I already knew that Trump was even more hated than Obama and was glad we got through with him in good shape. This latest occurrence is mainly disturbing because it appears the shooter was allowed to get on a high view site he should not have. It should have been covered. Anyhow, I have no love for TRMP. But no hatred, either. We survived him once, it could happen again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 16 Jul 24 - 11:39 AM The ignorance is appalling. From The Guardian "Vance was speaking at the National Conservatism conference last week, where he said: “I have to beat up on the UK – just one additional thing. I was talking with a friend recently and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn’t care about it." “And I was talking about, you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon, and we were like, maybe it’s Iran, you know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts, and then we sort of finally decided maybe it’s actually the UK, since Labour just took over.” And "England has been one of the few exceptions where it has fielded a very capable military over the last generation.” Lammy needs to find some new friends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jul 24 - 11:39 AM Prior to joining the US Senate two years ago Vance had no political experience. Prior to election he was known as an author. Obama had a brief time in the Senate, but he had served in state legislature and a lot of political action community organizing positions, along with teaching law. If people start to compare Vance with Obama, make the point that Obama has always been politically active and engaged. I'm reading Jen Psaki's book Say More: Lessons from Work, the White House, and the World. Chapter 10 opens with REPORTER: A lot of Americans are saying that, you know, the surges are happening under President Biden's watch after he reversed some previous policy. So does the administration take any accountability for what's happening? From there, she notes (the reason for that quote): One of Donald Trump's favorite media strategies is to refer to non-specified "people" who just happen to be "saying" exactly the same thing he's been saying. If you don't hear the sarcasm in there about how I feel about this tactic, read again. The thing with any attribution made by Trump or his mouthpieces is to ask WHO they are speaking about. Ask for sources. Mostly it will be whole cloth, out of Trump's imagination. His only source is himself, and his lack of interest in studying any issue deeply needs to be highlighted. This is a tip for man-on-the-street conversations, but also a reminder that when you cite articles you've read, keep track of where your sources are, so you can show your work, as it were, in one of those conversations if need be. Ashley Judd recently posted a video of a family conversation with her step-father; they are politically polar opposites, but are determined that the politics won't get in the way of their family love. Having conversations with friends who support the other guy - keep it civil, and know your sources. I have neighbors on each side of me who support Trump, but we have managed to stay friends. Partly by not discussing politics, or by sticking to the issues that we agree on. By keeping it civil I have a better chance of changing their minds. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 16 Jul 24 - 08:44 AM Vance's reaction to Tr*mp is reminding me of one wise chap's memorable summary of Machiavelli's The Prince:
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jul 24 - 08:20 AM Trump has not changed at all Is that any help? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 16 Jul 24 - 06:28 AM I was just about to make a similar post Ebbie. For those of us in the UK it certainly puts in to perspective Starmer's change of view on Corbyn.(Or maybe that should be Starmer's change of publicly declared view.) Last night on the BBC TV programme Newsnight, one of the guests made a comment along the lines of 'division is America's default position'. That prompted me to do some searching and i found the following from The Conversation July 2016 Can America’s deep political divide be traced back to 1832? This quote could have been made yesterday; “We hold it a principle,” the Jacksonian newspaper the Albany Argus declared on February 17, 1824, “that every man should sacrifice his own private opinions and feelings to the good of his party and the man who will not do it is unworthy to be supported by a party, for any post of honor or profit.” So Vance has changed his mind or has he? Perhaps he has just decided to ride this particular tiger in order to further his career. PS i made a post yesterday to the BS: BBC Radio 4 programming thread about a BBC Radio programme about the Principal Recovery Network. The presenter is a British woman who moved with her family to Arizona. At one point she asked why the PRN did not campaign for gun control. The person replied that if they did, it would cut them off from half of the people they want to help. Those people might well dismiss them as a liberal front organisation. I found that comment very sad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Ebbie Date: 16 Jul 24 - 05:21 AM Getting acquainted with Mr. Vance (quote): ------` Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office. I can’t stomach Trump. I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.” I think there’s a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.” was a “moral “total fraud” serial sexual assault,” one of USA’s most hated, villainous, douchey celebs,” Vance deleted past anti-Trump tweets ahead of his announcement in July 2021 that he would run for the open Ohio Senate seat. But that was then, just another MAGGY checking to see how the wind blows. This is now. |