BS: American Presidential race 2024

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 10 Jul 24 - 11:37 AM

I have a question about voter registration in the USA.

Once you have registered at your home address how often do you have to confirm the details? Each year?

Here in the UK the government, via local councils, check each year to see if the details are correct for each address. If they are correct there is no need to do anything. We only have to reply if any of the details have changed.

Here in the UK, you can also contact the authorities yourself if you need to be added.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 24 - 11:04 AM

Some of you may remember a senatorial race from six years ago, when Beto O'Rourke ran against Senator Ted Cruz. He came closer to unseating that bellicose senator than anyone has in a long time. O'Rourke was a popular two-term congressman from El Paso, and we were sorry to see him leave the House, but he has made a big mark on Texas politics. He still has an effective machine (a PAC called Powered By People) that is this year working to register as many voters as possible. The equally popular congressman Colin Allred, from Dallas, a former professional football player who clearly wore his protective headgear at all times is now running against Cruz. And while Beto works as hard as before to get voters registered, Allred, who was a hero of the House during the Jan. 6 breech of the Capital (he was some of the muscle ready to keep rioters out of the chamber, if need be, and of helping members escape) is running a very close race.

This is an example to illustrate about "down ballot races." Voting, even if you aren't in love with the top candidate, and voting a straight ticket (even if you have to fill in all of the Democratic spaces yourself - it has been mentioned before, possibly elsewhere, that in states like Texas that option was removed from ballots four years ago when Biden won and Democrats in down ballot races beat local GOP candidates who thought they were a shoo-in.)

If Allred can take that seat from Cruz, it helps Democrats keep the Senate. There are a lot of formulas out there about members who are weak in their states, and I don't think people outside Texas consider Cruz vulnerable. This would be a special gift from Texas if we can get rid of that nasty piece of work who has been in a position of power for far too long (and is one of the folks who did a turnabout of opposing Trump to being a solid vocal supporter, even after the insults Trump hurled at him.)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 10:17 PM

No, I didn't misspeak. But it wasn't intended to be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 10:07 PM

I have spent most of my life listed as Non-partisan, because in the old days I sometimes voted for a Republican. Eisenhower was one, and I have also voted Republican for local politicians on some occasions, such as Oregon's governor Mark Hatfield and for Senator Bob Packwood- before Packwood was disgraced.

In the 'old' days, the Republican party was a far cry from what it has become. There is no way I would- or will- vote Republican for the foreseeable future. IMO they deserve obliteration.

Stilly, back on June 30 at 7:18 pm, did you misspeak when you suggested that "Hillary" would be the nominee if Biden were to resign?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 03:36 PM

I'm sure the bots are out there botting. Unfortunately for them, predicting the outcomes of their guided biases is a tricky art. The safest thing for them to bot for is to render us fearful and uncertain. And there are so many ways to do that. Unfortunately, it is very often that those who sow, reap their own products. They foil themselves often, but that doesn't do the rest of us much good unless we have learned to live and work by principles and recognize others who do the same.

Those who are adept at marketing might be able to save us a little bit. We know that these techniques work, whether or not we are aware of them. So there should be a developing of guidelines, like firemen's lines leading us through the smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 02:28 PM

Aaaaaahh! Got it! Thanks Dave…

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 02:15 PM

It works as a sideshow BWM. If you swipe the pic it continues

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 02:07 PM

Dave, that link just takes you to a headline and very little else - just a couple of sentences ending with ‘here’s the full story’, then….tumbleweed.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 11:14 AM

Until recently it was assumed that the Democratic National Convention would be a modest event, but now it looks like there might be some deal-making. Who knows - and what do you want to bet that the twitterverse voices lobbying against Joe are joined by a chorus of bots from Russia.

It would really be perfect if Donald was sentenced to prison time on July 11, as planned, but the fact that he'll be sentenced in September, much closer to the election, is not going to hurt the Democrats.

There is a bubbling of enthusiasm in the nation that isn't showing up on the polls. Polls are pretty much obsolete and should always be ignored -especially if they seem to show your candidate ahead. The only poll we want to see is the results on election day.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 10:59 AM

Britain Prepares for Trump’s Return: Major Shifts in Security and Foreign Relations Expected

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 24 - 01:02 AM

The price of gasoline might have an effect but i doubt if it will decide it on its own.,that will reduce inflation, but if he increases the old age pension at the same time or increases social welfare, that should do it.
the loss of tax on gasoline could partly be made up by taxing cigerettes,about 12 percent of USA population smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 11:49 PM

Put Joe's perceived frailty and Trump's proven dishonesty aside. These aren't what is going to decide this election, the price of gasoline will. If it's under $3 a gallon on election day, Biden wins. Over $3, Trump wins. So Biden needs to release a significant amount from our oil reserve sometime around mid-October. Republicans will cry foul but the American people will only notice the price going down.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 05:16 PM

Joe Biden digs in for another day with a defiant letter, a surprise interview and frustration with 'the elites'

"US President Joe Biden is continuing to put up a determined fight for his political life.

"He's responded to ongoing pressure to step aside for a younger presidential candidate by writing to his colleagues in Congress and phoning into a TV show to insist he's not going anywhere."

....

"The letter

"Biden tweeted out a letter that he has sent to Democrats in Congress. It said he was "not blind" to the "good faith fears and worries" held by voters and members of his party. But, he wrote, he was "firmly committed to staying in this race".

    "'This morning, I sent a letter to my fellow Democrats on Capitol Hill. In it, I shared my thoughts about this moment in our campaign.'

    "'It’s time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump.' pic.twitter.com/ABtAaJrr0n
    — Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) July 8, 2024

"He argued he had a "deep obligation" to the Democratic Party voters who had chosen him as their candidate.

    "'It was their decision to make. Not the press, not the pundits, not the big donors, not any selected group of individuals, no matter how well intentioned. The voters — and the voters alone — decide the nominee of the Democratic Party. How can we stand for democracy in our nation if we ignore it in our own party?'

"Biden said the 'question of how to move forward' had been 'well-aired for over a week', but it was time for it to end."

"'We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election. Any weakening of resolve or lack of clarity about the task ahead only helps Trump and hurts us.'"

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 02:35 PM

I'm still waiting to hear that the Democrats have stopped being antsy and that they will put their full support behind President Biden and let him and everyone around him get on with the job and succeed."
unlikely
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/07/in-search-of-a-credible-replacement-for-joe-biden

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 02:29 PM

Yea, fair enough, not kicked out in France but certainly had their claws removed.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 01:01 PM

The far right in france unfortunately have not been kicked out
what follows possibly now, is a period of instabilIty in france.
There is unlikely to be a coaliton between any of them.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jul 24 - 12:24 PM

Far right kicked out in the UK
Far right kicked out in France
Come on, USA. Give us the hat trick! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 07 Jul 24 - 08:19 PM

Stilly, I have never heard of Project 2025 but it makes sense of what has been happening behind the scenes. Scary agenda!

I'm still waiting to hear that the Democrats have stopped being antsy and that they will put their full support behind President Biden and let him and everyone around him get on with the job and succeed.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 24 - 11:41 AM

That's a good point. Our House and Senate members have offices in the state and are supposed to be there to support their state - all constituents - during their time in office. I have called our GOP Senators to register my opinion on how they should vote and gotten snotty answers from whoever answered - so I'm not bothering to call them any more. I have emailed and faxed messages.

The House members have fewer people to serve, but at a more granular level. I was able to contact my House member last year when a federal agency was taking its sweet time processing my share of a retirement pension - after filing the secure form they forwarded it to the agency - I literally had the money later that day. That said, this is what all representatives are supposed to be doing, cutting red tape and helping constituents. Though the staff was helpful I won't vote for this guy because he not only is GOP, he brought Marjorie Taylor Greene to town to campaign for him. She's the guttersnipe from Georgia who had her assignments stripped in her first term after she supported the January 6 events. Darned if her district didn't send her back to do more damage.

Trump has started to deny knowledge of the Project 2025, but it's out there in plain sight. A lot of talking heads are making much of it lately to call attention to a huge difference between Trump and Biden (and the corporations and oligarchs behind Trump).

(I will also share a bit of a puzzle here - the GOP participated in the removal of GOP Rep. George Santos. Why not some of the others who are charged with crimes? We must assume that Trump didn't like Santos, but there is more to be learned about that event.)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 06 Jul 24 - 02:39 AM

But my question remains. Would a Democrat voter vote for a Republican candidate and vice versa?

Well Rain Dog (cool screen name BTW) I can only speak for myself in that regard. When I was 15 I got the chance to tour Europe with the School Band of America as a last-minute replacement, but it hinged on being able to get a passport in a hurry. My parents contacted our congressman and 2 days later a government car pulled up in front of my house with my passport. Six years later when I voted for the first time he happened to be on the ballot and I felt like I owed him one. That's the only time in my life I ever voted for a Republican. It isn't personal, it's just that in order to be a Republican candidate you must support policy that I find detrimental to us as citizens. And that becomes increasingly true with every new bunch. The last decent president from that party was probably Eisenhower, but had I been around then I still would have been "Madly for Adlai".

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 24 - 02:39 AM

A crossover to the UK politics thread

"In a social media post, Mr Trump wrote: "Congratulations to Nigel Farage on his big WIN of a Parliament Seat Amid Reform UK Election Success.

"Nigel is a man who truly loves his Country.""

Birds of a feather eh?

I suspect Putin will have done the same.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 11:32 AM

I'll respond to your question in the UK politics thread RD.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 11:07 AM

In the primaries you choose which party and choose your favorite candidate, and if there is a runoff you can only vote in the same party, you can't switch over to boost someone on the other ticket. In the general election there are no such restrictions. A "straight ballot" was sometimes an option - at the top you could darken the box for all Democratic or all Republican candidates, but that was taken away in Texas because some of the down-ballot Republican candidates lost when that happened when Biden was elected. (We have a really awful GOP governor right now.)

I use information from the League of Women Voters (a long-established non-partisan voter rights group) that gives each candidate in all local, county, state, and national races a place to fill out their information and state their policies. https://www.vote411.org/. Once upon a time there were publications with all of this information, now you have to go online to find it.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 10:56 AM

Thanks for the response.

But my question remains. Would a Democrat voter vote for a Republican candidate and vice versa?

The impression (and it is an impression) is that party lines in the USA are even more extreme than here in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 10:47 AM

In the US we vote for candidates, but in the US we have the winner-takes-all-votes Electoral College that gives an entire state to the winner in each state, it doesn't let the popular vote stand for the winner. (If there was no electoral college Hillary Clinton would be in her second term right now.)

This was put in place, erroneously, as it turns out, by those founding fathers, back in a day when only white male landowners voted and the small states were afraid of having no power, so every state got two senators, regardless of their population. That has worked against us since forever.

There are 14 states so far (don't quote me, but I think that's the number Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary under Clinton and political activist cites) that have broken with that and the votes are apportioned to the candidates during the electoral college convention (that whole mess on January 6, 2021 was the House accepting the results of the electoral college, where Trump tried to insert his fake electors.)

Some of you who read the Declutter thread may know that last spring I went in for two sleep studies, but they were inconclusive. My days were under-powered, to summarize. No energy, little interest in the usual things. It turns out that my late night work on the computer or reading on screens was the culprit. My own bad habits were washing my eyes and brain with blue light that makes getting to sleep more difficult and having productive sleep almost impossible. I've started turning off the computer a couple of hours before bed - what a change! And at Biden's meeting with Democratic governors this week he told them that he was changing his work habits, not working late into the evening and getting more sleep. I'm willing to bet he had the same problem I was having. It can lead to memory lapses, low energy, and general problems during the day. It is reversible by getting away from the screen and getting better sleep. It is certainly what I have found. It's like flipping a switch, once you back away from the screen, I felt better right away when I started this practice. So too will Biden.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 09:31 AM

"Yesterday the people of the UK voted for moderation in politics."

Seriously?

We have ended up with a party that is too far right for your tastes because a lot of people have voted for a far from moderate party.

A question for the American voters. Do people vote for the candidate or the party in presidential elections?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 08:15 AM

Yesterday the people of the UK voted for moderation in politics. Let us hope that the craze will catch on across the pond. Things went that way in 1964 with The Beatles so, 60 years later, another British export is long overdue :-D

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 05:09 AM

I agree NeilD. The article I linked to on 03 Jul 24 - 03:01 AM presents the argument that changing the candidate at this late stage would jeopardise the chances of a Democrat victory and increase the chances of Trump getting elected.

I think the prime strategic goal has to be keeping Trump out of the White House. Too much depends on that to take unnecessary risks at this stage.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 05 Jul 24 - 02:41 AM

I agree that Dems need to stick with Biden at this point. We're too far along in the process to shift gears to a different candidate. Barring a Biden abdication any attempt to move to a new candidate will split the party. A divided Democratic party is about the only path to a Trump victory. We need Unity at least til after the election, then we can go back to bickering. As Will Rogers once stated, "I don't belong to an organized political party...I'm a Democrat."

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 07:35 PM

I was watching a music video show and the videos were chosen by an Irish-Australian comedian, Jimeoin. One of the videos was Asshole by Denis Leary, which I haven't seen for many, many years and always thought it was very funny.

Now I listen to the lyrics and think it is all about Trump. :-D

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:49 PM

We have had 3 female PMs. Sadly they were all disastrous. I fully support the principle of gender equality but only as long as the encumbant is a capable leader. I really don't know enough about Harris to know if she is. Can you enlighten us, Stilly?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:31 PM

Also, with reference to Oz's first and only female PM, Julia Gillard, our democratic system meant that we weren't voting for her specifically as PM. We vote for the local candidate we want and then the political party with the most successful candidates gains the majority in Parliament and the previously nominated leader of that party becomes the PM in the federal elections or the Premier in state elections. We have had a few female state Premiers.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:25 PM

Sadly, Stilly, the facts are rarely taken into account. If it is the public's perception that something is wrong then that will stick. Our last Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was torn apart with stories that he was an antisemitic terrorist supporter. The facts did not bear that out but the mud stuck. If Biden is to ride this out he needs to be stronger than Corbyn and ensure that the rumours of his frailty are stamped out. To do that he must hit hard and regularly. In my opinion of course

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:24 PM

NeilD & Stilly, you make a lot of good points.

The prospect of Trump being re-elected is dire. Personally, I think that Biden is your best chance of defeating him.

Unfortunately, even though I think Harris would make a great President, I also think that the probability of a lot of the white male voters and a significant chunk of white female voters would think twice about voting for a woman, especially as she is a woman "of colour". It was hard enough getting our first female Prime Minister in Australia, and then she was subjected to gender bias, even by other elected politicians. She achieved a lot, but could have had a more pleasant and more productive experience than she did.

Strategically, I think the best plan is to keep Biden as the candidate, hopefully he gets elected and then if his health or capability declines during the Presidential term he can step down and Harris will take up the role.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:21 AM

Not if it stays with Harris. If they chose another candidate, it would be the "changing horses in the middle of the stream" for one thing (without primaries to make the choice, I predict chaos).

Personally, Biden hits most all of the important buttons and he has smart people working for him; as long as there isn't something actually wrong mentally, I'm fine with him staying in office and working on what needs doing, age isn't important.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:06 AM

I heard on the BBC radio that there might be a problem with the election campaign funding if Biden was dropped.

What would happen to Biden’s campaign cash if he drops out? That’s up to Kamala Harris

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 10:52 AM

NeilD,

Those are polls, that are notoriously inaccurate. I can't believe that 50% of this country supports that buffoon.

More importantly, Trump has injured many people who now will have a great cause to vote to be sure that he doesn't get into office, or his state lapdogs either. The women's vote is hugely important, and two more states are set to have abortion rights on their ballots in November.

It is a wait and watch time now, to see how Biden's interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who was Clinton's Press Secretary and will provide the best gauge of how things are progressing for Biden. He knows the political environment and will have the good questions that test our candidate.

If it was a choice of running out the end of the term and not running again or stepping down, I would want him to step down and put Harris in a place of power now. And get a really good VP; my first choice would be Katie Porter but she and Harris are both from California and the Pres and VP aren't allowed to be from the same state. So look to the Jan. 6 committee for someone smart and up to speed, and might as well bring in disaffected former GOP folks. Try Adam Kinzinger. Liz Cheney is still too conservative for my taste to give her second banana position, but if they chose her, I'd still work for them. The key isn't to take any current House or Senate members who are in seats that need to be held.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 10:50 AM

"I can't believe we are at this point in history.
The very knowledge that nearly half the US population supports this Trump creature makes me feel ill."

Are they voting for Trump or the Republican party?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 10:15 AM

I can't believe we are at this point in history.
The very knowledge that nearly half the US population supports this Trump creature makes me feel ill. The most profane, dishonest, self-serving, morally bankrupt person to ever hold high office in this country. In the opening post to this thread an historian is quoted about the Gish Gallop, a technique where you pile lie on top of lies until the fact checkers can't keep up. Something similar happens with actions as well. Trump did so many bad things that people tended to forget one thing as we moved onto the next. From sucking up to dictators while kicking democratic leaders in the teeth all the way up to his horrible mishandling of Covid, it was one thing after another after another. Here's an example: Our staunchest allies in mid-eastern conflict have been the Kurds, most recently as proxy fighters in Syria. That is until Trump stabbed them in the back. After one phone call with Turkish president Erdogan Trump not only pulled out US personnel who were providing cover for the Kurds, he also provided intelligence. including satellite images of Kurdish positions. Turkish attacks began soon after. I consider this to be the most heinous betrayal of an ally in our history, an act that brought dishonor on not only our military but the citizenry as well. There was no strategic reason for selling out the Kurds, just Trump crawling into bed with an autocratic leader.
And no one even remembers the incident because the media barely covered it, but mostly because of so much subsequent heinousness.
As bad as that first term was, a second one would be exponentially worse. Just look at his statements and those of his followers. Dictator on Day 1 and firing 50,000 civil servants and replacing them with inexperienced , untrained Trump loyalists. Our government will be in chaos. Hopefully, the EU will be able to keep Ukraine afloat because Trump wil abandon them on instruction of his Putin overlord and ,seeing this, China may be encouraged in its designs on Taiwan.
In an address to the Politburo after the death of Stalin, Kruschev used the term Cult of Personality to describe his iron grasped control of the USSR. Thats what we are seeing with the Republican party in its      total abrogation of integrity, morality and common sense in some twisted loyalty to the Trump beast.
And speaking of integrity, isn't the fact that Trump appointed Supremes can vote to give him immunity from crime the very essence of corruption? I expect to see a substantial slide from our current 26th position the next time the Corruption index is published. And if you think "26th place ain't so bad", then our expectations of our leadership has already denigrated.
I don't care if Biden descends completely into senility, he would still be preferrable to Trump. Hell. a piece of cheap furniture would make a better president than that criminal Donald Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:54 AM

As a candidate Trump said he would rescind Obama's Climate Action Plan, cancel U.S. participation in the Paris Climate Agreement, and stop all U.S. payments towards United Nations global warming programs. Many of his first cabinet picks were people with a history of opposition to the agency they were named to head.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 02:41 AM

The Biden administration's most important climate action to date was signing the Inflation Reduction Act into law in August 2022, the most comprehensive climate legislation the U.S. has even seen. The law invests hundreds of billions of dollars in clean energy, electric vehicles, environmental justice and more.29 Jan 2024"

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 24 - 01:30 AM

i think Biden might be replaced, in my opinion that is the best way to defeat Trump

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 07:37 PM

Only when I have agreed with her and when I thought it would add to the conversation, and usually in response to a thoughtful, useful comment.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 06:26 PM

I dunno, Helen. You tell me!

How many times have you said that you agree with Stilly?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 05:47 PM

I'm just reminded of a couple of pertinent English observations. One on England which kinda applies to the whole Democratic unierse:


Spike Milligan quoted from the Goon Show:
"Cheer up dear listeners, Old England isn't finished yet!

lt's finished. . .
. . .
. . .

NOW!"

And Oscar Wilde's observation that America was the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 04:56 PM

Dave, how many times have you posted the same or similar comment in the Trump discussions? How many times do you think you need to say the same or similar comment, especially when you do not add any further analysis or information or updates? You've said it already, ad nauseum. Enough is enough in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 11:19 AM

Dave, no one asked you to stay off of the election thread. This is where the real messy part belongs, though the Supreme Court has been making things a lot worse lately. The two topics still merit distinct threads (there are developments to discuss on the other one.)

Supporting Biden doesn't mean we're not aware of all of the moving parts of a campaign for the moral high ground of the US. I have always assumed that Biden has something in the playbook to promote Harris to the presidency. We'll just have to see if that happens sooner than later.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 09:24 AM

Like my Grandad used to tell me - Always say you don't know! :-)

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 08:42 AM

Dave, Trump is a big enough dick, uhh, I mean stick.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 24 - 08:33 AM

I do apologise if I am discouraging anyone. I would see it more as spurring them on. There are enought carrots so I am providing a bit of stick :-D