BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:58 PM

As 999 points out, we're not talking about opinions here but record keeping. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: skarpi
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:40 PM

have you thought of man made earthquake ....?? we make little one s
here in Iceland ...., and some people know about something is going on by your Goverment ....or the goverment behind the goverment ??

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:34 PM

USGS Count the quakes for yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:48 PM

Get the data from MANY sources that theoretically have no ax to grind (government agencieS, universitieS, scientific associationS, etc.). Then make up your own mind. You can learn a lot in the process as you strive to understand what you're being told. For example, in researching a fairy tale I discovered that Little Hawk had originally been a frog, but after the Princess looked at what had come from her kiss (besides lip warts) she ran away screaming.

Seriously, use as many sources as you can, whether or not they support your original thesis. Then change your mind if the data shows you're wrong. (People live longer who can change their minds.)

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:04 PM

I think that's a very sensible approach, leeneia. I find that things generally work out somewhere in between the wild extremes of "the very best" and "the absolute worst" possible scenarios.

Well, lunch was great! And now I have song circle to look forward to.

Ebbie - Scientific fact-finders? Yeah, I have a reasonable amount of confidence in those people...up to a point. But they have sometimes proven to be in error, and they have sometimes been found to have been serving a hidden agenda themselves...usually one driven by their political leaders or their bosses or their primary funding sources...or just the general blind spots of their own culture and time. Rigid thinkers and maintain-the-status-quo aficionados are found among scientists too. Thus, although I have great respect for their expertise, I know darned well that they are not infallible nor are they totally dependable. I pay close attention to what they say, but I don't take it as gospel, no more than I would take any other supposedly authoritative source as unquestionable gospel.

I just give them fair consideration, as I would any other authoritative source. Everyone's got their own notions about what is an authoritative source, but that's one hell of a big subject, so I'm not even going to get into it. Not today, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 04:23 PM

Those are all wise observations, Little Hawk. Good job.

I had a thought. Investment advisors often say that if something seems too good to be true, we should be on the qui vive. We don't hear about it, but if something seems to BAD to be true, we should also be on the qui vive.

My thing to do - prune roses today.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 03:47 PM

Good.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 03:41 PM

Guest/12:04, earthsky.org and the US Geological Survey don't agree on that. I tend to believe the scientific fact-finders.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 12:42 PM

Getting all apocalyptic, eh Megan and Greg? ;-D Cute clip, Megan.

We're all doomed, in fact! You know how I know this? Well, it works this way...

1. We're mortal.

2. That means we're gonna die!!! (I know this, because I've already seen my parents and a whole bunch of other people die. It happens. It even happened to Napoleon and Liberace and Tallulah Bankhead. It happens to EVERYONE.)

3. Conclusion: we're ALLLLLL doomed! Yup. You and me and everyone we know is gonna die. But we don't know when. AAARGHHH!

So...ummm...whadda we do about that now? I suggest going out today with a big smile on your face, doing something you really enjoy, and having a lovely time. Maybe play some music. Read a good book. Go for a walk in the sun. Play with your dog (if you have one). Be nice to people.

Works for me. ;-) Matter of fact, I'm going out right now to have lunch. Yummy.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 12:05 PM

ditto

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 12:04 PM

Earthquakes 8.0 magnitude and above have struck at a record rate since 2004. But the increased rate was not statistically different from what you'd expect from random chance.

from

http://earthsky.org/earth/are-large-earthquakes-increasing-in-frequency

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:57 AM

Obviouisly the beginning of the End Times. The Rupture is on the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:43 AM

as private Fraser would say We're DOOMED

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:34 AM

No doubt. There have clearly been great human migrations caused in the past, due to climate change...and it often caused wars when that happened. We all need tolerable temperatures, food, water, and shelter. All these things become threatened in a time of severe climate change.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:28 AM

"Now what about social instability, financial instability, political instability, and climatic instability all across planet Earth?"

Civil wars in any country probably compete for the title. Maybe not 'climatic', though. Climate change probably is incidental to all of the other; however, since it has happened before - a number of times - I imagine that if humans were present at such times climate change created quite a lot of instability.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:19 AM

leeneia - I too think that the article has a hidden agenda (As do a great many articles we read! Perhaps most of them.)

Nevertheless, it drew my attention to something that seems worth looking into further. Its hidden agenda might be:

- partly wrong
- partly right
- completely wrong
- or completely right

I don't know. But I do find it interesting. Most viewpoints that are out there are at least a partial grasp of the truth. Very few of them are a complete grasp of the truth.

Bush's phony propaganda spin to launch the Iraq War, for example, had a few bits of factual info sprinkled like salt and pepper through a much larger web of innuendo, scaremongering, and outright lies (about nonexistent WMDs and supposed links between Saddam and Al Quaeda). Most hidden agenda messages contain some truth and some falsehood. The challenge is to sort out the one from the other, and that takes time and diligence.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:10 AM

Wow! Big blue clickie! ;-D Thanks for the interesting link, Ebbie.

Don - I just got a report on an ancient Mayan hieroglyphic carving that's been decoded at last. It apparently says: "That bloody Don Firth and his bloody damned opinions!!!"

Scholars and archeologists are at a complete loss to offer any explanation of this mysterious and seemingly incomprehensible message from the ancient Mayan civilization, though some have suggested that Don Firth may have been the name of a previously unknown Mayan god or nature spirit... (grin) I expect that a number of very interesting books will soon be written about it.

*****

Back to the earthquake thing. Okay, we have different opinions out there, it seems, as to whether there are more large earthquakes occuring in recent years or not. Hmmm. Now what about social instability, financial instability, political instability, and climatic instability all across planet Earth?

Would anyone say we haven't been having more of those forms of instability in recent years, specially since 2001?

Or is everything just quietly and predictably ticking along as it always has? ;-) What say, folks?

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 11:05 AM

Granted that we tend to focus our attention on our own personal worlds, but Little Hawk, I just can't believe that there would have been a "more than six-fold increase" in major quakes and no one would have noticed.

I suspect that article you found has some hidden agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 10:41 AM

Hmmmm. Don't know how that happened- but at least it goes straight to the website. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 01:50 AM

It is a difference in perspective, I suppose, but the USGS website doesn't seem to agree.

Increase in earthquakes


Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?
We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years.

The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.

According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.

Subject: RE: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 01:25 AM

Those bloody Mayans and their bloody calendar!

Don Firth

Subject: BS: Increasing frequency of earthquakes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 01:17 AM

It seems that there has been a dramatic yearly increase in the number of major earthquakes worldwide since 1997. To quote from the article I found:

"Trends since 1986

For example, between 1986 and 1996 (incl), a period of 11 years, there were "just" 15 earthquakes listed by USGS of magnitude 7.0 or greater. This is not markedly different (albeit a slight decrease) from previous (similar periods) of 20th century, where an average of about 18 might be expected.

But between 1997 and 2007 (incl), a period of only 11 years, there were 99 earthquakes with magnitude 7.0 or greater : This is more than a six-fold increase on the previous similar period - and is a stark increase on any earlier decades in 20th century too."

This certainly is worth taking notice of. I'm not drawing any specific conclusions about it, but it does seem to indicate that we are living in a time of increasing seismic instability on planet Earth (as well as increasing climate instability). What might be the reasons for an increasing number of large earthquakes? Does it link to instability in magnetic north, and evidence very strongly suggesting that the physical north polar location (meaning the center of the planet's axis of rotation) is shifting gradually to a new location (it has shifted about 40 miles in the direction of central Russia in recent years)? And what would cause that to happen? Possible changes in gravitational effects due to other more distant factors in the Solar System or the Milky Way Galaxy? Or changes that are limited to the Earth itself? Or changes connected to the Moon? (which is an extraordinarily large satellite for a planet the size of the Earth).

Here's the page:

historical frequency of earthquakes worldwide

Feel free to speculate, argue, object, debunk, poke fun, add your opinion, etc. ;-D As I said, I'm drawing no specific conclusions myself about it, so I don't necessarily have an opinion for you to oppose.

I merely note that there ARE more earthquakes happening of late, and that there is notable instability in magnetic north of late. There is also a quite notable decline occuring in the strength of the planet's magnetic field (not its gravitational field, its magnetic field).

All these things suggest that we are in a time of significant planetary change. We are also in a time of significant social change, political change, and financial change...and climate change.

Interesting that it's all happening at once, isn't it? There might be something more than mere coincidence in that.

Some, of course, are speaking of the "End Times". I would respond to that by saying...the end of one thing is most definitely the beginning of another. The word "apocalypse" is often taken by people to mean "destruction"...but it can also mean a radical change in the overall status quo. It does not have to mean a physical destruction of the world as we know it.