Peculiar Irony

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:53 PM

is that the joint that sells fish and donuts? great consolidation of use for hot grease!

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: TIA
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:27 PM

I'm in. I'd like to see a Tim Hortons in my town.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:21 PM

Good idea Jimmy, except for one thing. Little Hawk and Clinton are the same person. It's the perfect example of a split personality....although Little Hawk IS quite a bit taller.

Rick

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:06 PM

Hell, Tia, YOu got a point. Fact of it is, they are all a bunch of sorry lying politicians, Let's get behind my new idea.

LITTLE HAWK for President, of the new Coalition of UNITEDSTATES and CANADA REPUBLIC

What do you all think? CLinton Hammond will think it is a good idea as it will make those pesky border crossings easier There have to be other benefits as well

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: TIA
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:57 PM

I know, I'm becoming annoying now...just one more:

"We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'"






Anne Manning
Campaign Worker for Newt Gingrich in 1976
(speaking about her candidate)

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:52 PM

I guess technically he didn't have relations with her, since they aren't presumably related... that must be what he meant.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:33 PM

"Now I want you to listen to me, I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Yeah, I can see where repeating lies gets us all in trouble

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:31 PM

Green Genes: Ebbie,
You are correct. I heard that speech and the way I remember it, I believe he credited the administration for the initiative which led to the invention of the internet. Is that close ?

Yes. Close. So why did you say this? "Al Gore, "the man who invented the internet."

Every time someone repeats the lie, another person believes it.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:00 PM

[quote:]

Does anyone think that 9/11 would not have happened if Bush had not been elected? [unquote]

Yes. Me (aside from the question whether he was duly elected or not).

Undoubtedly the planning for what became 9/11 had already been done, but it might not have been implemented in September 2001 if there were a US president who looked serious about tackling the Israel/Palestine problem rather than one who seems to give Likud and those to its right free rein. Military operations staff develop the plans and capacity for all sorts of operations which are never implemented. And 9/11 was a very professional operation that demonstrated considerable planning and execution capability, whatever you think of its perpetrators.

From the time that the Bush administration took office, it took a succession of initiatives which demonstrated contempt for international order and the rule of law, not to mention the rights of the Palestinians. Any vestige of an indication that it might apply even a modicum of pressure to the Sharon regime to go some way towards respecting countless UN resolutions and peace initiatives could have encouraged Al Qaeda to stay its hand. But the Arbustitist Machtergreifung may have been the event which convinced the people who had made this particular plan that they might as well implement it then rather than hope for a peaceful settlement. If the Middle East were at peace, there would be no "need" for the intrusive US military presence in Saudi Arabia which was the stated grievance of Al Qaeda. And if the US hadn't interfered as much as it has in so many countries in the region, Saudi Arabia might not be in the hands of anti-democratic fundamentalists who are financing the seedbeds of resentful fundamentalism both there and in other countries including many European countries. And if Saudi Arabia wasn't a powderkeg waiting to explode, the US mightn't feel the need to invade Iraq (which has nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaeda, apart from the "Q" in its name) in order to secure future oil supplies. And so on.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 11:26 AM

now, now...don't hold them boys to their earlier statements. How can they be successful politicians if you demand consistency?

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: TIA
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 10:19 AM

Help, we are drowning in peculiar irony! This is too much fun:

"...once {a U.S.-led coalition} starts meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign nations, where does it stop?"

"...we are starting to resemble a power-hungry imperialist army creating an occupation by foreigners."

"International respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

"...it is unfair and unrealistic of the United States to demand that {a dictator} agree to allow foreign troops to have free rein over the entire country. This is like asking him to slit his throat with his own people... no wonder {the dictator} refused."





Current House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
on the floor of the House
May 6, 1999

{the U.S.-led coalition was NATO}
{the dictator was Milosevic}

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 10:14 AM

I wonder why they didn't call it Operation Iraqi Liberation....

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:58 AM

New title for Operation Iraqi Freedom: Operation Thanks A Lot Ralph Nader!

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:52 AM

Bobert, could you please present evidence for your claim about Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush? You're assuming that all of those people "eliminated" from the rolls would have voted for Al Gore. How do you know that?

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:37 AM

Just a reminder that more people did vote for Gore than Bush. Too many of them just happen to live in the wrong states. The Bush presidency is the result of an out of date system in which the vote of a person living in a populous state like California counts for more than that of a person living in North Dakota. It's high time to abolish the Electoral College and provide for direct popular election of the President. Now, if we can only convince the Republican-controlled Congress that the system whose flaws put their man in office needs changing....

Bruce

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:36 AM

Looks to me like 911 had to be in the works for a long time before Bush was ever elected, so I doubt it has anything to do with Bush, per se...except that he has since used it to launch two illegal wars, so it's proven convenient from the point of view of his advisors...Karl Rove, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and so on. They wanted a good excuse to set the US military loose in the World, and they got it.

Osama has also gotten what he wanted...the imminent (probable) destruction of Saddam's hated anti-religious Baath regime, the further driving of a wedge of hatred between Islamic peoples and the USA, the further cause for greater terrorism upon the USA and upon the Arabs and Israelis too. A holy war par excellence.

Pass the champagne for the Republican Deep Thinkers and Osama Bin Laden, the big winners of 911. Glasses all around.

- LH

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: TIA
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:25 AM

Great thread title. I could add hundreds, but let's just start with this one:

"I don't want to try to put our troops in all places at all times. I don't want to be the world's policeman."








George W. Bush
Presidential Debate
Boston, MA
October 3, 2000

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:24 AM

seems pretty obvious that G Bush is leading and not following. At this point in time it would have been far easier to have given in to the emotional posturing and "followed" Right or wrong, I can't see how anyone can say that George W Bush doesn't have the courage of his convictions and is pressing ahead to do what he feels is the right thing.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Sam L
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 09:06 AM

I the legislative sense, Gore did invent the internet. Ask Colin Powell's son Michael, who heads the FCC. And besides, why do you think they call them AlGorythms?

But it's a good point. I hope everyone will be sure to vote next time around.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 08:25 AM

Can't say, can you? However, there were US presidents who would have led their people rather than followed them after such an awful disaster. Posturing and gesturing will only guarantee that terrorism stays with us for longer.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Troll
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:45 AM

Does anyone think that 9/11 would not have happened if Bush had not been elected?

troll

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:31 AM

And thank you, Al Gore, for your contribution to bringing this amazing technology to people like me.

Here's an even bigger irony than the one that opens this thread (in my opinion). Remember GW Bush's famous catch phrase during his presidential campaign?

"I'm a uniter, not a divider".

;-)

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:01 AM

As I said...pointless speculation.

Thanks, Nicole for the real deal.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Mr. Green Genes
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:50 PM

Yea, those terrorist really got busy when Bush moved into the whitehouse! Or are you implying we just continue to die without reply.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: NicoleC
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:49 PM

Actual quote from a March 1999 interview with Al Gore, "Well, I will -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins, and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be. But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

FACT: The technology for the internet was originally created by the Dept of Defense in the 70's for military purposes only. The technology has been, of course, eclipsed in recent years, but the original concept of loosely networked computers is the same.

FACT: Al Gore never said he "invented" the internet.

FACT: Al Gore consistently supported legislation to broaden the use of telecommunications and computer equipment starting in the 70's, and even worked to get computers into Congress itself. Most of his legislation did not pass.

FACT: Despite years and even decades of technological research, the internet, as we think of it today, was launched in 1983. It was the realm of obscure internet newsgroups and their geeky college users (remember when you had to have a USENET client? and strap the phone handset into a big modem cradle?)

FACT: Gore sponsored the 1986 Supercomputer Network Study Act, designed to figure out how to get all this new technology working
to increase public information needs.

FACT: Senator Gore wrote and sponsored the 1991 High Performance Computing and Communications Act (introduce originally in 1988) which provided over $1 billion in research & development grants to technology companies like MCI, plus universities, schools, and other public groups. Funding for Mosaic, the original web browser standard, came from this Act. That investment made propietary online services like Prodigy, Compuserve and Delphi obsolete, and moved the internet into a common format widely accessible to the public. The vision: provide for teleconferencing, link your computer to millions of computers around the country, give you access to huge 'digital libraries' of information, and deliver services we cannot yet imagine."

Did Gore "invent" the internet? No. And he didn't say he did. But if it weren't for him (or some other guy down the line who did the same thing), the internet would probably still be an obscure military project.

It was a stupid way to phrase it, but he does deserve a lot of the credit (or blame) for bring the internet into private homes and it's huge success today.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:43 PM

We most likely would not have a war on terrorism with Al Gore in the White House. BUT, this kind of speculation is pointless.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Mr. Green Genes
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:09 PM

Ebbie,
You are correct. I heard that speech and the way I remember it, I believe he credited the administration for the initiative which led to the invention of the internet. Is that close ?

I think if Bill Clinton had seen the pornography potential of the internet he would have been all over it and we would be able to give him some partial credit.

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 10:36 PM

Mr. Green Geans,

I'm guilty! Well, not exactly in that I brokered my vote and voted for Al Gore.... as a Greenie.

But, looks like the Greens aren't the only ones responsible for the current mess that the world finds itseld in. Looks very much like Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris broke the law. They hired some Repub. hit men to eliminate 57,700 black people from the voter roles in Florida. That is what did in Al Gore.

It's amazing what a couple crooks can do...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Peculiar Irony
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 10:32 PM

Green Genes, before you begin this, how about getting your facts in order? The man did NOT say that. And YES. I venture to say that if Al Gore were in the White House we would not be where we are today.

Subject: Peculiar Irony
From: Mr. Green Genes
Date: 02 Apr 03 - 10:21 PM

I would hazard to wager that, if all the anti-war demonstrators would have voted in the last presidential election, the war on terror would today be the responsibility of Al Gore, "the man who invented the internet."