BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:12 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html


A slightly different presentation of the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 04:00 PM

Here's what comes through from BB to summarize his argument:

Waaaa.......Waaaaa........Isn't fair.....no fair..no fair.......You all were so mean to poor Bush and now you are mean to me and defend that nasty ni, er,uh, Obama guy......No fair......Waaaaaa...Waaaaaa.......I gonna' go and get more straw.....and Glenn Beck too!!!!..........Waaaaa......Waaaaaa......


Of course I may just be imagining it...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:58 PM

Art,

1. YOUR comment assumes that ALL whites are raciost- and I find that to be in bad taste.

The point was that the video and testimony show a clear violation of the civil rights act- and Obama DOJ officials have decided that blacks are not required to obey that law.

Let's let the US Civil Rights Commission actually talk to the lawyers involved- which the DOJ has prevented so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:39 PM

As I read the original quote, and ignoring anything referenced later that is added in without being cited, the Justice Department won a default judgment because the defendants failed to appear at trial. This happened some three months after Mr. Obama's inauguration and less than a month after Mr. Holder became Attorney General. The Justice Department under the new administration apparently looked at the evidence (again, according to OP's original post) and decided that ""the facts and the law did not support pursuing claims" ". I suppose that, considering that the defendants are (presumably) dark-skinned and the blogger who is complaining about this nonsense is (presumably) light-skinned, he would have believed that pursuing any case initiated by the previous administration, regardless of its merits, was appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 03:01 PM

Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????"

bearded bruce, where in the forgoing did you cite this statement?


In the actual interview, with that lawyer- the campaign manager for one of the Kennedy presidential campaigns. But then, since those here have judges that anything on Fox MUST be false, they will not even look at it-

I seem to recall a number of claims ONLY by opposition press to Bush- yet any attemopt to ignore them as being biased was laughed away.

Looks like bigotry to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 02:56 PM

Sinsull,

The attacks ON ME for posting a civil rights violations by thisadministration seems to indicate a complete acceptance by many here that it is ok to NOT prosecute blacks for civil rights violations against whites.

I would like to point out that the precedent, once accepted, will lead to undesireable consequences.

Besides being unfair and racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 02:47 PM

Where did Ebbie say that ANY claim should be ignored? Where did anyone say that they approve of the handling of this case ACCORDING TO FOX'S VERSION OF THE STORY? You're trolling again, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 01:27 PM

Art,

The DOJ HAD ALREADY WON THE CASE.

The lawyers were directed to NOT go to the judge and tell him/her what the desired punishment was to be, but to DROP THE CASE after winning the judgement.


Ebbie,

I am sure that we can now ignore ANY claims by blacks about people threatening to beat them with night sticks, according to you.

If it is now ok to deny civil rights based on skin color, I hope you are all happy when the next president gets elected, and applies this presedent that you all seem to approve of.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 01:02 PM

Hey, in the south it was "Just one burning cross", so it must be ok????? Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????"

bearded bruce, where in the forgoing did you cite this statement?

AS for equating one nightstick with one burning cross, Bruce, give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:59 PM

That's like saying a Zebra is the wrong color!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:53 PM

I took one look at the thread title and I knew right off who had started it.

If Obama doesn't clip his toenails regularly, we'll be hearing about that, too.

The problem is twofold:

1.    Obama's the wrong color.

2.    He won.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:44 PM

It sounds to me like a typical situation of "it will cost too much to prosecute compared to the results, so let's not bother", combined with a plea bargain.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:40 PM

Yes, Bruce, you're right. Prosecution was dropped because these people only see civil rights from one dimension.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:35 PM

"to prosecute were the defendent was white."

Should have been

to prosecute were the defendent was black, and the victim was white."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:30 PM

1. The DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing cases where the defendent is black and the victim is white- per testimony to the US Civil rights commission by the one lawyer who quit.

2. The DOJ has blocked any other testimony from the lawyers it presently has to the USCRC.

3. The case had already been won, and the lawyers were told to drop it.

4. There is testimony from a civil rights lawyer ( who was on Kennedy's election team) that the racial slurs and threats were made- and the video tape supports the threatening use of the club.



If there are those here that think it is ok to NOT prosecurte civil rights cases because the defendent is black and the victim is white, I'm sorry for you. I hate to think of what the backlash would be- it will set civil rights back at least 50 years.




Ebbie,

"The case, bb, seems fairly mild. It appears more to be a violation of ordinances governing activities close to a polling place.

The "deadly weapon" was ONE nightstick."


Hey, in the south it was "Just one burning cross", so it must be ok????? Calling a distinguished civil rights lawyer ( a Democrat, NOT Adams) a "Cracker" and acting in a threatening manner is OK by you????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:27 PM

Is he talking about the ace of spades?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:24 PM

Like I said above......................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:04 PM

ho hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:03 PM

note the sources

...I think we may not be getting all of the story. Faux News is not exactly renowned for mentioning all of the details.

Can YOU say "spin it!"?

"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."

Even IF (note the *IF*) this was true, what does this have to do with Obama? Why would it not just be about one prejudiced official?

I'd bet we hear more..

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 12:01 PM

The case, bb, seems fairly mild. It appears more to be a violation of ordinances governing activities close to a polling place.

The "deadly weapon" was ONE nightstick.


"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."

?? That statement appears to be a leap. It must be painful to live in your head.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:58 AM

First you say:
"My comment is that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it."

Directly above you say:
"They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white."


????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:40 AM

GregF,

this is getting tiring.

" The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.
"

They dropped the case BECAUSE THE DOJ did not want to prosecute were the defendent was white.

Civil rights are dependent on the color of the victim, it seems.

Great precedent to have, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:22 AM

If the Obama Administration "won the case", genius, then what's your problem ?

By the way, is this case anything like the fundagelicals in front of abortion clinics hassling & terrorizing clients & interfering with theie civil rights??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:20 AM

To repeat the rants of Beck, Levine, Limbaugh and other Luny Lunkheads is for losers.

They will make you feel a fully fucked fear for freedom's fate.


But they will not make you correct or happy in your life.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:11 AM

GregF,

YOU state:
"The Bushies screwed up & took a case to trial they didn't have evidence to prosecute"




"he Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court."

They had ALREADY WON the case.




YOU are a real piece of excrement, aintcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 11:03 AM

Jesus, BB, you are a real piece of work, aintcha?

Another turd story from Faux News(notice you didn't mention that)

Please do read some of J. Christian Adams stories/postings on Pajama- party Media; he's obviously trying for the Glenn Beck Accuracy In Reporting Award.

The Bushies screwed up & took a case to trial they didn't have evidence to prosecute and you're blaming it on the Obama Admin?

Get your meds adjusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:42 AM

My comment is that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it.

But I guess that is OK, since it is not Bush...





Amerigin-

Not everone has your taste for excrement.




Spaw,

You insist on attacking me, rather than discussing the subject. I hate to see you give up and admit I am right so easily- TRY top think of something other than attacking the poster when you disagree with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:39 AM

I guessed right again!

I always know a bearded bruce thread by its screwy skewed title.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:35 AM

"I waited two days to see if anyone else would comment about this case, but the silence was deafening. "

Did I miss something? Where is Bruce's comment?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:29 AM

I always figured that Bruce secretly liked golden showers.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 10:15 AM

Same old shit on a different day. Nothing but trolling from the trollmaster of Mudcat.

People will comment and try to discuss.......Bill D. will be along and Bruce will fall back on the same worn out whining and bullshit that he uses all the time when he's crying over the plight of the crapass Repubs and their failurre to defeat Barack Obama.

Let's move along now folks......Nothing to see here......Bruce wants you to piss into the wind but I suggest you stay dry and piss on him instead by not playing!


Spaw

Subject: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 10 - 09:50 AM

I waited two days to see if anyone else would comment about this case, but the silence was deafening.



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Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

Published July 06, 2010

In emotional and personal testimony, an ex-Justice official who quit over the handling of a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party accused his former employer of instructing attorneys in the civil rights division to ignore cases that involve black defendants and white victims.

J. Christian Adams, testifying Tuesday before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, said that "over and over and over again," the department showed "hostility" toward those cases. He described the Black Panther case as one example of that -- he defended the legitimacy of the suit and said his "blood boiled" when he heard a Justice official claim the case wasn't solid.

"It is false," Adams said of the claim.

"We abetted wrongdoing and abandoned law-abiding citizens," he later testified.

The department abandoned the New Black Panther case last year. It stemmed from an incident on Election Day in 2008 in Philadelphia, where members of the party were videotaped in front of a polling place, dressed in military-style uniforms and allegedly hurling racial slurs while one brandished a night stick.

The Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.

In a statement Tuesday, a Justice spokesman said the civil rights division determined "the facts and the law did not support pursuing claims" against the two other defendants and denied Adams' allegations.

"The department makes enforcement decisions based on the merits, not the race, gender or ethnicity of any party involved. We are committed to comprehensive and vigorous enforcement of both the civil and criminal provisions of the federal laws that prohibit voter intimidation," the spokesman said.

The Civil Rights Commission, which subpoenaed Adams, has been probing the incident since last year. Adams said he ignored department directives not to testify and eventually quit after he heard Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez testify that there were concerns the Black Panther case was not supported by the facts.

Adams has described the case as open-and-shut and said Tuesday that it was a "very low moment" to hear Perez make that claim.

But he described the department's hostility toward that and other cases involving black defendants as "pervasive." Adams cited hostility in the department toward a 2007 voting rights case against a black official in Mississippi who was accused of trying to intimidate voters. Adams said that when the Black Panther case came up, he heard officials in the department say it was "no big deal" and "media-generated" and point to "Fox News" as the source.

But as the investigation unfolded, he said he discovered "indications" that the Black Panther Party was doing the "same thing" to supporters of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary season in early 2008. He urged the commission to pursue testimony from other Justice officials to corroborate his story.

It's unclear how far the commission will get. The commissioners want to hear from Christopher Coates, the former chief of the Justice Department's voting section, but the commission claims the Justice Department is blocking Coates from testifying about why the case was dropped.

In a written statement last week, the department questioned the motives of Adams, now an attorney in Virginia and a blogger for Pajamas Media.

"It is not uncommon for attorneys with the department to have good faith disagreements about the appropriate course of action in a particular case, although it is regrettable when a former department attorney distorts the facts and makes baseless allegations to promote his or her agenda," the statement said.

Adams said Tuesday that his personal views played no part in his handling of the case. He also said he did not fight to testify before the commission but resigned after the department would not take action to quash the subpoena.

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Apparent source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/ex-official-accuses-justice-department-racial-bias-black-panther-case/
-Joe Offer-