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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: gnu Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM Hear, hear McGrath. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: gnu Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM Q... bloody amazing. She actually wasn't stunned as me arse?... on that point, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Big Al Whittle (closed) Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:32 PM http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56b24_paul-revere-the-raiders-louie-louie_music God I love that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,Songbob Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:23 PM Sarah Palin's 40% favorability rating is a lot higher than the 27% rating most of the right-whingers get -- there's a constant level of support for truly bat-guano-crazy thinking that seldom goes much above or below 27%, for some reason. Palin gets all those votes and a few others, I guess, mostly just low-infomation folks that can't tell her from Tina Fay. I have decided that the 27% level represents those that Lincoln described: Some of the People All of the Time. If you take those "All of the Timers" with enough of the "Some of the Timers," you can win elections (witness the off-year election of 2010). And with the Supreme Court allowing unlimited corporate money to buy media time, etc., we may just get that result. God help us. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Big Al Whittle (closed) Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:23 PM There was a band called Paul revere and the Raiders |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:18 PM Most of us scramble the tale too, or at best know bits of the Longfellow poem. Revere gave the sexton the lantern signals days before his ride- which was not to the Church. He warned colonists along the route that the British would take in Middlesex County. He was captured and did warn some British troops that they would encounter danger if they approached Lexington. The troops freed Revere and others they had captured, and went back to warn their superiors. Probably this was what Palin halfway remembered. In some parts of the country, the story was not taught. In Santa Fe, we took New Mexico history, which was mostly about the Spanish-Mexican rule, and the Indians. We also had a course in world history. When I entered university, I found that U.S. history was required, and I had to take it as a make-up course. I think Palin would make a terrible president- she is ignorant of world cultures, and knows squat about economics. But faulting her on Revere's Ride is picking on something most people would scramble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:46 PM I'm sure American soldiers are as brave as soldiers generally are, and ready to die if it comes to that. That's what war is about The cowardice is on the part of politicians who know that dead soldiers are a lot more politically damaging at home than dead foreign civilians. That's what politics is about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:38 PM *g*, Wesley. However, Kevin really is not that sort. He just surrendered to a moment of snarky. Right, Kevin? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Wesley S Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:31 PM Ebbie - I'm guessing that Kevin would prefer that they meet out in front of the Longbranch saloon and shoot it out at 50 paces. Y'know - real man to man stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Greg F. Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:14 PM In a recent Bloomburg poll, as well as others, she was disapproved by over 60% of the people polled. That's fine as far as it goes, Kat, but the other brain-dead 40% are a bit troubling, to say the least. God Help America if 40% are that stupid, ignorant & moronic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM "It's been suggested that nations that rely on unmanned drones to deal with the enemy shouldn't really make too many comments about cowardice..." Oh, Kevin, that's snarky. The bravery of the American soldier at the moment is not at question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Big Al Whittle (closed) Date: 06 Jun 11 - 02:42 PM Time of the season. I can remember folks thinking that Goldwater was scary. They're not scared of Palin, just like they weren't scared of Baby Bush and Reagan. They aren't repelled. Therefore, i think they will eventually vote for her; first one term, then another. In time she will considered as one of the greats - and her years in office will be looked back on, as years that were good for America. If your kids die in Afghanistan, or you get wiped out by a depressive with a legally owned uzi - then its just collateral damage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: katlaughing Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:49 PM ...you are so full of hatred and jealousy either for her looks or her popularity, that you miss the main issue. There you go making blanket assumptions. It's her total lack of intelligence with bothers most of us. As far as her popularity goes...it's not. In a recent Bloomburg poll, as well as others, she was disapproved by over 60% of the people polled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Charley Noble Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:47 PM So many facts, so little time! You seldom hear of Paul Revere's other great ride. He was placed in charge of artillery for the capture of a half-built British fort in Penobscot Bay. The Rebels assembled an amazingly large fleet of armed ships and transports, some sixty ships in all, and when they arrived off Fort Castine the British commandant was quite ready to surrender but no one bothered to ask. After the Rebels dithered around for two months, a British relief fleet arrived, chased the Rebel ships up the river where most of them were run ashore and burned, or sunk. Paul Revere managed to escape, along with his baggage, and galloped south to Boston. He survived a court martial for cowardice conduct. Charley Noble, a proud patriot |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: pdq Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:35 PM Er, Benedict Arnold? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:27 PM Paul, you're confusing him with the guy who invented the egg dish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,Paul Burke Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:09 PM He's worse than that traitor, Arnold Bennett! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Wesley S Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:02 PM Warning the British that we were armed and waiting? Isn't that treason? Shouldn't this Revere guy be arrested? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM Also it helps to believe you are fighting for something worth fighting for - as the Italian partisans demonstrated after the fall of Mussolini. It's been suggested that nations that rely on unmanned drones to deal with the enemy shouldn't really make too many comments about cowardice... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:40 PM Don - You've clearly been lucky enough not to be within earshot of the ignorant people (or the ignorant periodicals) of which I am speaking, people who enjoy characterizing the French as cowards and who rave on about "freedom fries" when they are under stress. ;-) There is a similar myth, by the way, about Italian cowardice in WWII, and that one was created by Allied propaganda. The Italian soldiers, airmen, and naval personnel generally fought with great courage....but their country was lacking in some vital things which you need in wartime: 1. intelligent leadership 2. a large enough economy to fight that war effectively 3. enough modern and competitive equipment Their navy was courageous and had fine ships, but it lacked radar, and it lacked aircraft carriers and a naval aviation arm. This rendered it extremely vulnerable in the Battle of the Mediterranean. It also lacked sufficient fuel to conduct operations after about the halfway point in the conflict, so the ships mostly sat helplessly in harbour after that. Their air force again was very courageous in combat, but many of the Italian aircraft were obsolescent, and the more modern planes they had were not available in sufficient numbers. Their army was courageous on an individual basis, but they lacked the modern equipment they needed to win battles. Their tanks were hopelessly outclassed by the Allied tanks. Their artillery was not adequate. The presence of the German Afrika Korps alongside the Italian army gave the Italians much-needed assistance, as the German equipment was far superior, but it wasn't enough in the end...as we all know. ***** The MCC song about the southern town is a really beautiful song, captures the feel of those sleepy towns perfectly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Greg F. Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:40 PM "Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards." Really!?? That's news to me! Don Firth Have you forgotten the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" in the BuShite run-up to the Iraq War & the re-naming of "French fries" to "freedom fries" n the congressional cafeteria? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese-eating_surrender_monkeys |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jun 11 - 12:37 PM And the "British" were mostly Germans anyway. (Like King George.) The scary thing is, as Big Al said there, the Americans have a bad record of electing dumb presidents when given the chance. The thought of Ms Palin in the White House is terrifying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Charley Noble Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:33 AM Dick- "Paul Revere's ride"? Well, I guess the British might have learned a lesson after their march on Concord and Lexington but it's not because Paul Revere told them directly. One thing about Palin is that she never backs down! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM Sorry, ake, you are wrong. That links to a beautiful rendition of a song - with Mark O'Connor on fiddle, no less - but you are describing the American south; the song says nothing whatever about the soul of America. I suspect you have never been here. I am a church beside the highway where the ditches never drain I'm a Baptist like my daddy, and Jesus knows my name I am memory and stillness, I am lonely in old age; I am not your destination I am clinging to my ways I am a town. I'm a town in Carolina, I am billboards in the fields I'm an old truck up on cinder blocks, missing all my wheels I am Pabst Blue Ribbon, American, and "Southern Serves the South" I am tucked behind the Jaycees sign, on the rural route I am a town I am a town I am a town Southbound. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: akenaton Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:16 AM Sorry wrong link.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBeykKAXaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: akenaton Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:10 AM This is not about Sarah personally, though most of you are so full of hatred and jealousy either for her looks or her popularity, that you miss the main issue. If you want real change in your society, someone must tackle the one party system....get off the political see-saw and let the virtues which have always resided in "Middle America" shine. None of it will sit easily with the centre left, blinded by years of political psychobabble, but like the young ash tree we must learn to bend with the wind, before we achieve our objectives. The revolution in America will never come from the left, there have been too many smoke screens over the years Demolish the monolithic Party system first, get some real representation on the ground.....only Sarah has the nerve and charisma to stand up to the system, but she will only be what YOU want her to be. Forget world domination,this is the real America |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: akenaton Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:41 AM Pardon, c'est moi.....Chongo :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:44 AM "Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards." Really!?? That's news to me! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:38 AM Yes, those who have fought beside them know perfectly well that the French are not cowards. I was speaking rather about a generally ignorant attitude that one hears from some people whose opinions are not based on their own experience, but on superficial gossip and hearsay that they've picked up somewhere. Let's ask Sarah Palin about the French and see what she says. ;-) When it comes to naval history, the British more often were the victors in the almost interminable series of wars between France and England, but now and then the French bested them....as did the Dutch, on occasion. (The USA also had some spectacular small action victories over British ships....as in the case of the frigate Constitution defeating the British frigate Guerriere and another British frigate whose name I don't recall. These were pinpricks to the dominant Royal Navy of the time, had little effect on the overall naval war situation in the War of 1812....but they certainly did embarass the British Navy...and gave the USA something to celebrate for the next century and then some.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: artbrooks Date: 05 Jun 11 - 10:35 PM I rather doubt that anyone who ever served in the US military would ever consider French soldiers cowards (and, IMHO, no other American's opinion counts). The service of the Free French contingent of the Allied Forces in Europe served in an exemplary manner. Their small contribution (one battalion) to the UN forces during the Korean War went home with three US unit citations. Their troops in Bosnia during the three-sided war there did quite well, considering the restrictions imposed by the UN. The French governments did them no favors by requiring them to execute abysmal foreign policy, but that is a different story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 05 Jun 11 - 10:32 PM Danged. The last two post-ers spoke well to ollaimh's assertion. I would add two things: 1: What makes anyone sure that their own history books are freer of bias and error than thoe of the Americans? and 2: ...one of the only french naval victories ... " One of the only? What does that sentence actually mean? One of the only? One of the many, yes. One of the few, yes. One of the only? Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,ollaimh - PM Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:59 PM with my stir of the pot; most americans don't seem to know that there were four times the number of french soldiers at yorktown as american soldiers. the french won that one folks! and their naval victory stopped the british supply armada. one of the only french naval victories over the british but very timely for the continental army. the french wanted revenge for the seven years war and to break up as much of te british empire as they could. although their commanders came home full of republican ideal--which didn't go well for the bourbons and the ancient regime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Jun 11 - 09:31 PM The assistance of France was indeed vital to the success of the American Revolution, and the French were regarded very positively by Americans all through the 1800s because of it...and right up until their unfortunate defeat in 1940 by the new German blitzkrieg tactics. Their military prowess was much admired prior to WWII. Now there is a popular American myth that the French can't fight and are cowards. NOT TRUE! The French fought very hard in 1940, lost over 200,000 men in desperate combat with the invading Germans, but were utterly unable to deal with the revolutionary new German military tactics which would have defeated any army in the world at that time, given relatively even odds on the battlefied in terms of numbers. It seems rather sad to me that America's longstanding admiration and affection for French courage has recently been replaced by this post-WWII denigration of French capabilities. If you read Mark Twain, for example, his admiration for the French is notable, while the British are still held in considerable suspicion. Interesting how these things change in the wake of one war or another...former enemies soon become new allies and friends...former friends are soon scorned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: artbrooks Date: 05 Jun 11 - 09:06 PM 7,800 French, 8,000 American regulars (Continentals) and 3,000 militia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,ollaimh Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:59 PM with my stir of the pot; most americans don't seem to know that there were four times the number of french soldiers at yorktown as american soldiers. the french won that one folks! and their naval victory stopped the british supply armada. one of the only french naval victories over the british but very timely for the continental army. the french wanted revenge for the seven years war and to break up as much of te british empire as they could. although their commanders came home full of republican ideal--which didn't go well for the bourbons and the ancient regime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Don Firth Date: 05 Jun 11 - 08:23 PM . . . chewing gum and twisting a strand of hair while they're doing it. Get 'em out of the gene pool!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: gnu Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:37 PM "...with a rising inflection at the end." Don'tcha just cringe at the way little brain dead girls talk these days, asking a question or not? It just grates on me when I hear it. I just wanna smack them and say "Don't talk like that... it's not SPEECH!" It's worse than BABY TALK! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Amos Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:31 PM LOL!! If you fail the test, change the reality!! LOL!! Wodda buncha maroons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Amergin Date: 05 Jun 11 - 07:05 PM Some of her fans have been going onto wikipedia and trying to rewrite this history in her favour. Fortunately, their additions get caught and removed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Amos Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:42 PM The woman is incredible and carries this insufferable bubble of impenetrable indifference to reality about her. She is a potential catastrophe in fancy underwear. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:37 PM Department of explanation and clarification: (later, still Palin): "Part of Paul Revere's ride — and it wasn't just one ride — he was a courier, he was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that we're already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have. He did warn the British." And this: "In a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly. And I know my American history." I guess a gotcha question is any one ending with a question mark, or asked with a rising inflection at the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 05 Jun 11 - 05:44 PM I still contend that she will NOT run for the presidency of the US. Primarily because it is too much work with too little pay but also because she is not noted for taking criticism well. However, if she DOES run, I would bet that she would go all the way to election day- but only because she does not realize the depth and width of the opinions against her. I am convinced that she thinks that the people who turn out If she does run I hope she garners 19% of the total vote. I still say she will NOT run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Jun 11 - 05:33 PM When she passes on, America's IQ should rise by a point or two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Greg F. Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:56 PM Problem is, plenty of AMERICANS don't realize that she personifies most, if not all, that is wrong with America, PERIOD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Justa Picker Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:49 PM She personifies EVERYTHING that is wrong with America in the eyes of the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Big Al Whittle (closed) Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:47 PM You Americans are SO predictable. there was all this fuss about Reagan and Bush being dumb, but you elected them. I bet it will be the same with this Palin woman. After all this nonsense, you'll still elect her. Two terms - a racing certainty! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:45 PM "You realize that you messed up about Paul Revere, don't you?" "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace asked the potential 2012 presidential candidate. "I didn't mess up about Paul Revere," replied Palin, a paid contributor to the network. "Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have," she added. "He did warn the British." You Betcha! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Ebbie Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM Simple. That's what happens when you try to take away our guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:58 AM Damn straight. Too bad Revere wasn't at Yorktown to warn the British too, because in his absence the bloody rabble DID win! ;-) And you see all the trouble that has caused in the world since! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: Amos Date: 04 Jun 11 - 03:44 PM Good thing that Revere fella warned all those British about how we would be armed. Imagine what might have happened at Lexington otherwise!! The rabble might have won!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives From: gnu Date: 04 Jun 11 - 02:22 PM A tuning fork? At least a pitch fork for her. Sorry about that but she presents an unclear and present danger to the earth. |
