BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 09:49 PM

LEJ:

What is the source for that? Curious.

The initial area at the time of partition was about 10,000 sq miles. What is it today, do you know? Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 09:30 PM

"Israel has no plans to expand"

Hasn't Israel expanded its territory by a factor of four since it was established?

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 07:42 PM

"if you leave them alone, they won't do anything to anyone"

There's every reason to see that as applying to Iran and North Korea, at least as much as it does to Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:45 PM

Martin--This is not a comment from Frank, it is news commentary--as he says here:

>You might be interested in the following just written by Charley Reese of the Orlando Sentinel.

You can increase the type size to make this stuff easier to read--

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:56 PM

"Israel dangerous"

What you treat as if it was a statement of fact is simply a European poll result, found at one particular moment in time with one particular question (sorry, I don't know the wording, but I know it was criticised harshly).

You may look differently at this in North America, but from a European point of view of course what Israel (or Arafat or Egypt or...) does (or does not) is considered much more relevant than what North Korea does. That assessment has nothing to do with the right or wrong of what Israel does, just with the perceived relevance for European safety.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: Nerd
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:33 PM

I think it's true that Israel is much less dangerous than North Korea and Iran, for this reason: if you leave them alone, they won't do anything to anyone. Now I understand that many feel the status quo there is unfair, etc., etc., but Israel has no plans to expand, no desire to attack other countries, and there's very little danger of their using nukes since their only significant enemies are right on top of them.

The US is a different story.

Vote Kerry. What we don't need is Alfred E. Neumann to stay in office. I'll take Herman Munster or Lurch any day!

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:10 PM

He's not alone. Even conservative stalwarts like Tucker Carlson and George Will are finding plenty to complain about with George. Regardless of political orientation, incompetence is incompetence. Bush's pursuit of Iraq as an attainable military objective with no end game, his continuing anything-but-conservative fiscal policy, his growth of federal government's reach and power, and his investment of time and money in 80s anti-ballistic missile technologies in preference to controlling the spread of third world and terrorist access to nukes, are issues with which even staunch conservatives have difficulty.

Subject: RE: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:08 PM

Guest, Frank.

Israel as dangerous as North Korea and Iran?

Did you pull some of your brain matter out the last time you used a Q-tip on your ears?

All we don't need is Herman Munster for President.

Subject: BS: What Some Conservatives think of Bush
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:34 -0500
A Conservative point of view
You might be interested in the following just written by Charley
Reese of the Orlando Sentinel. If you know the writer and
his strongly conservative reputation, you should find it eye
opening. Note particularly what he says about John Kerry.
The conservative journalists, Robert Novak and William Kristol,
happen to be saying the same things. Here's a column from the
VERY CONSERVATIVE Charley Reese of the Orlando Sentinal.

Vote For A Man, Not A Puppet
          Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war ---Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neocons ervative ideologues and their corporate backers.
          I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a frontman, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory.
         It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab king (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own president at their joint press conference recently.
         John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. It's unfortunate that in our poorly educated country, Kerry's very intelligence and refusal to adopt simplistic slogans might doom his presidential election efforts.
          But Thomas Jefferson said it well, as he did so often, when he observed that people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush. Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice.
          It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian.
          It's no wonder that the Justice Department has convicted a few Arab-Americans of supporting terrorism. What would you do if you found yourself arrested and a federal prosecutor whispers in your ear that either you can plea-bargain this or the president will designate you an enemy combatant and you'll be held incommunicado for the duration?
         This election really is important, not only for domestic reasons, but because Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world due to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration.
          Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us, Israel, North Korea and Iran as the greatest threats to world peace. I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it. Go to Kerry's Web site (www.johnkerry.com ) and read some of the magazine profiles on him. You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe. Besides, it would be fun to have a president who plays hockey, windsurfs, rides motorcycles, plays the guitar, writes poetry and speaks French. It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face.
          Killing people has a sobering effect on a man and dispels all illusions.