Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:12 PM

Diane and I have been 'sparring' for years on the BBC board. We know each other 'inside out'. We don't take offence

Yes and others have got thoroughly fed up with it. The typical pattern was Lizzie would bait, Diane would bite and everything else slowly degenerated into a row.

This happening is something Lizzie calls "fun". She couldn't realy care less about the effect it has on other people trying to participate in reasonable discussion.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM

How can I be 'personal' towards phantom contributors who I don't believe actually exist in real life? The pudding and the pasty are nothing but random spam generators programmed with particularly yukky tastes in music and sickening Victoria Gillick-stylee nuclear family complexes. And a particularly pavlovic reaction to any analysis of why Sid is not what it was. Not that they'd know . . .

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:09 PM

Quite right Jan!

You lay off my friend Sweetums! Her little daughter is an absolute delight..and if you don't believe me you can ask Jackie Oates or Jim Causley who've both taught her. She's one of the few children that I've really loved having round to visit and was sorry to see leave.....Most tend to wreck the house from top to bottom causing me to become like that terrible bossy Nanny creature from Channel 3, or is it 4, in order to save my house and it's contents, together with my sanity...but not Jan's daughter..she's a real pleasure and an absolute joy!

She's also being brought up in the traditional music world that you profess to love so much, by parents who care far more deeply about this music than you do. Jan's daughter is part of the next generation of folk....and one day...maybe...you'll be listening to her singing.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:01 PM

Cllr....

Diane and I have been 'sparring' for years on the BBC board. We know each other 'inside out'. We don't take offence, well...maybe now and again, when she goes completely bonkers of course...

But for the most part, we're a bit like an old married couple...I'm always right...she's always wrong! ;0)

We're both chuckling as we type...and most people know that and don't worry too much. Diane is always Diane...she never pretends to be a Miss Goody Two Shoes...and neither do I....but it's probably best to leave us to get on with it....getting in between us is only for the very brave!!

And please don't take offence, it's hard not to be able to read the intonation into messages, but mine usually are written with a big grin on my face...you can normally tell when I've completely lost it with her or she with me...believe you me! ;0)

If Diane says rotten things about people whom I know and care for, then I'll give her sixpenceworth and be done with it I'm afraid!

So Sweetums....are you going back to the BBC board then?????

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:00 PM

Cllr
No... she is being personal and rude to both Lizzie and I. Why should we let her get away with it? I am sick of tired of certian people thinking Diane should be allowed to get away with her behaviour. If my "brat" behaved in that way, I would be apalled. She is a bigot, bully and snob of the worst order. Unless she is mentally ill, there is simply no excuse.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:56 PM

What's your problem? Eyesight, comprehension or both? I haven't been to Sid for two years, that's all. But I know those who have.

Brats = diminutive people, usually accompanied by two larger people who think the sun shines out of their . . .

Big Brother? Never seen it.

BBC forums . . . yes I did look in today. Wished I hadn't. Someone's spilled a large tin of golden syrup across all networks.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:54 PM

Nope Sweetums..Siddy is UNIQUE...and if you don't believe me, you can take a listen here to BBC Radio Lancashire's 'The Drift' where they're talking all about Siddy and Cropredy, you can hear it here for a further 6 days on their Listen Again button, just press 'The Drift' and voila!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/lancashire.shtml

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:53 PM

Come on MBs "crew"...And we'll roll the old chariot along....

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:52 PM

Maybe the management were expecting Diane!! Did you pay them Lizzie?

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:51 PM

Lizzie leave her alone it dosnt help the thread or put you in a good light either.

But it was a great sidmouth wasn't it! see you at reunion Cllr 8-)

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:49 PM

Er...Sweetums...(Oh! This is JUST like the Olden BBC Days isn't it!)

Sweetums....

The only one who assumes that Sidmouth is for 2.2 children and their mommies and daddies is...er...you!

I know you TV is really broken and you can't watch Big Brother tonight, so you're on here being a mischief....

Stevie...HOW MANY HUGS are you expecting for heaven's sake! I may be too scared to leave the house soon! ;0)

Oh...and I invaded the Radio 1 board today...with FOLK MUSIC!! I'm having such fun! I've decided to Heducate the Radio 1 audience about really great music...

Oh..and by the way..language Sweetums, language....missing Big Brother isn't that bad...honestly! Try and control yourself.
;0)

Lizzie :0)

PS...Could we have it in writing that you're never coming to Siddy again please....

PPS..The Anchor have 'Da Management' Bouncy Bouncers all year round...

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:48 PM

C Richard, I don't know how you can make that judgement if you've not been.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:47 PM

Brat????????
How very dare you

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:45 PM

It really ISN'T just like every other festival

It WASN'T just like every other festival. It is now.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:41 PM

. . . and I have no knowledge of the pudding's lifestyle and am therefore unaware of whether it is shit or not. Another case of basic comprehension deficiency here. I was objecting to the patronising insistence that festivals are for the mummy + daddy + 2.4 brats, this is 'the right way' and all must conform. That's shit.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:37 PM

I'm not a Middle Bar Singer. I went to Sidmouth for the first time this year. It was a great festival because the town is so totally soaked in music and dance. It is completely different from any other festival I've been to in that there is SO MUCH participative activity and the line between artists and punters is more blurred than anywhere else I've been. I was standing in the Bedford and someone was murmuring in my ear about the act that was on...I turned around and it was Martin Carthy. I was sitting in the Old Ship, and a few people wandered in and started a session - one of them was Eliza Carthy. Folk is all about that kind of communal inclusiveness - the music belongs to all of us.

Such a great, easygoing vibe everywhere, interesting concerts but SO much to do elsewhere, so many chances to get stuck in or listen to fascinating talks and lectures, and a completely unique atmosphere. And loads of people said how much easier it was to get into things round the town, with fewer crowds and queues this year and last.

So i think to judge the event as it is now, you really need to go and experience it firsthand. It really ISN'T just like every other festival. I've been to a few, and I think Sidmouth is unique.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:35 PM

Rhiannon

The answer is Yes

dave

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM

Now now children, moderate your language and your tone, please!

The only good reason to clone Lizzie (perish the thought) is that each copy of her could put me on a hug card for Sidmouth next year, then I might, just might, have my wildest dreams come true. But could a mere clone be like the real thing? And how would I know?

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM

Oh, and Pastychops, yes there are apparently one or two people on this thread who may not know my real name but I don't suppose they want to. Why not occupy yourself for a really long time by listing all your pseudonyms and aliases? And after that, save me a bit of time by recounting the story behind Child #68 and 'countess richard' every time someone inexplicably claims not to understand it because they can't be arsed to look it up.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM

how dreadful for you!

Not so!

They are peeps!!

Thank you and goodnight

Dave

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:29 PM

Erm - I know you all probably know the answer to this but I'm confused. Are Lizzie Cornish and Lizzie in Sidmouth one and the same?

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM

To call my lifestyle shit is ignorant and intolerant. Please do not be so personal Diane and take some time to condsider how patronising your comments are.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:24 PM

I have met both Lizzie and Pudlover

Good grief, how dreadful for you! You should take your own advice and take your own angst elsewhere. Like Womad? And do you have a basic comprehension problem? What I deplore is not what 'others get out of it' but how some can have the goddam cheek to try and impose such patronising attitudes on those who don't, in their narrow view, conform to their shit lifestyle. I haven't been to Sidmouth in the past couple of years because it's not what it was and I see no point for me. From what I gather from you MBS lot, the change of management and format cannot possibly make the slightest difference and you'll continue to 'get out of it' whatever it is you do. It's different for me. OK? So SOD OFF.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:23 PM

Just think...if I were cloned...

A Coope Boyes & Simpson concert....where I could buy ALL the tickets and occupy ALL the seats!

Oh dear me...I'm chuckling here...

:0)

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:21 PM

Ooh! I'd love to be cloned! That way I could see all the artists and people I missed.

Imagine...being able to go to Sidmouth and see EVERYTHING!!

Where's Stevie Scarlett gone? Let's get him on to it...he's a scientist...OK...a Government one...but I'm sure he'll know how to clone me...and then....THEN....I can listen to Barry Lister in The Bedford, Dave and his friends in The Anchor, Coope Boyes & Simpson in The Ham, track down where the kids are, watch Jim Causley, squeeze in George, Duncan, Tom and Seth, pop over to Canada and watch Show of Hands, flit back and see Lunasa...all at the same time!

AND...I could write all about it on 10 different messageboards at once! Oh what HEAVEN!

I think you may be on to something BIG here Sweetums! I really do!!


Lizzie :0)

PS: (The dreaded but scary Countess Richard above, also goes by the name of Diane Easby and Sweetums, for anyone who doesn't already know!) ;0)

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:08 PM

Now you are showing your own ignorance.

I have met both Lizzie and Pudlover (and it wasn't in the Anchor)

If you don't come to Sidmouth these days why do you complain about what others get out of it?

Now leave us fun luvin' souls alone and take your angst somewhere that appriciates it.

Dave

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:02 PM

Hurray

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:01 PM

Firstly, I have been in this thread, on and off, since 28 June. Not 'lurking' till a pudding person (who is either one of lizziecornish's pseudonyms or else a clone - jesus, that's scary) barged in telling everyone to join a nuclear family, uphold the status quo and only do 'nice', uncontroversial, MOR trash. This, apart from being a load of bollocks, is insulting.

I don't know the pudding. I don't know the hat or the lynne. In fact, probably the only Anchor person who really knows me is Kitty Vernon who I think quite likes me. The rest of you haven't a clue, one way ot the other. I haven't been in Sidmouth for two years and am not particularly encouraged ever to return as long as it differs not a lot from any other bog standard festival. If I do, I shan't be anywhere near the Anchor so you'll never learn who I am and as far as I'm concerned, you can all sod off or not as you wish. I don't care.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:54 PM

Oh to hell with it! I deliberately stayed away from this thread as I wanted it to continue in the pleasant vein it was....knowing that if I appeared, so would my Terrible Twin!

Sadly, someone let her out first....

Diane...Why the heck do you always have to be so unpleasant. The post above which obviously upset you was lovely! There is nothing wrong with having a happy family and enjoying life because of that.

Sidmouth IS for families, and it's for those without families too..it's for everyone, as is every folk festival. But don't jump down people's throats because they dare to say they were happy and there was a lovely atmosphere at Sidmouth.

I don't care if people have children or if they don't. All that matters is that people are kind to each other and tolerant of others views.

Go and read a 'How To Get On With People' book....FAST!!

And now....back to Sidmouth.

It was lovely to meet John Barden at long last "Hi John!!"....and see George, Tom Bliss and Duncan...Annie Dunn too "Hi Annie!"......and Dave, (Breton Cap) "Hi Dave!!"....and of course Jan, Chris and Grace...big hugs all round guys!

Sorry I didn't get to meet many more...I was busy rushing round, children were doing bodhran classes and loads of other things as well...but Oh! How I miss you all!! The rain washed the last bit of brightly coloured chalk away today, from the seafront pavement, where people had scribbled all over the place during folk week...and that's it...the last bit of Brigadoon has disappeared once more.....

Still...the good news is...There's only 51 weeks to go until it returns! (Great Big Beaming Smiley!);0)

Lots of love


Lizzie :0) xx

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM

400 hundred yeah! Cllr

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM

yes it was briliant joanie crumpet.

breton cap you looking at me? when do i ever get verbose I dont thi....(cont page 94) Cllr

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:48 PM

Ummmm....wasn't it a lovely festival?

Yes but someone around here doesn't think we should enjoy anything other than what she thinks we should!

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:47 PM

Thank you for that and i was trying to answer the point of yours about people sniggering- they werent sniggering at the song but at the fact i was singing it (a serious song) in a sillier song session. the context is all.

i get to many different types of session and the quality of it depends on the singers, the organisers, the venue, and the expectations of those present( sorry i should be handing white sticks for saying the blindingly obvious at this point)

The sessions at the anchor vary wildely, the only specific is that it is open to any walking past to join in and it is unacompanied with manly chorus songs.

You, obviously, dont have to attend if you dont want too your choice but criticising it with out going there is a bit like saying you dont like opera without ever having been to see it live. ( i use the last as an example because when i was much younger thats what i thought till i got dragged, kicking and screaming to see turandot at the ROH)

When i disagree with someone i do my upmost to stay away from personal comments but to argue against the ideas expressed that i disagree with/ some arguments i win some i lose and sometimes i even change my mind but i really do try to avoid name calling and that is something that happens all to often in some of the threads on mudcat.

This thread is primarily about the joys of sidmouth festival and they are many and varied. if it was all about one sort of event it would be like a cajun gumbo with one ingrediant and what fun would that be?

i hope this analogy wont be taken and over stretched so I am now going to apck for the next festival WHff which i hope to get to by lunch time tommorow. Wassail Cllr

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:44 PM

Ummmm....wasn't it a lovely festival?

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:37 PM

Mmmm... It appears that what MBSLynne predicted in her previous message has come true!

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:33 PM

I am back from the pub and find this:-

"denigrate those whose lifestyles differ from their own"

So it's alright for you to do this but if anyone dare have a view different from you and states it they get all sorts of grief from you don't they?

And as for not frequenting the same venues as you. If you don't know who I am how do you know?

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Chris Cole
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:32 PM

Pay no attention folks, it is only what I expected. Diane was simply lurking until I said something. Water off a ducks back to me and I won't be intimidated into holding my tongue or anything else for that matter. Thanks for supportive comments

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:20 PM

When did I ever say you couldn't sing any song you damn well like, Mike? Especially in a session I'm never at? Or accuse you of not knowing your subject? The latter, as you well know, was addressed at others. What I did say is that I fail to see why anyone would consider it appropriate to introduce a sing about the Diggers into a session supposed to be about silly songs. Because it isn't one. But from what I've heard, the Middle Bar has a tendency to take the piss out of all sorts of material which I am unlikely to find the slightest bit funny. This does not mean I wouldn't be amused by songs that had been written as comic songs, of which Leon Rosselson and Robb Johnson have composed many. But it does explain why I am scarcely likely to turn up in the Anchor, regardless of whether Robb Johnson does or not.

As for not allowing others to have views which differ from mine, I will always as a matter of principle oppose those who spew smug, sanctimonious claptrap designed to denigrate those whose lifestyles differ from their own. You, presumably, do the same.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:54 PM

When i was running uxbridge folk club I booked leon rosselson on a number of occasions. I asked if he minded if i sang it,he didnt -which goes to show at least leon has a sense of humor if you dont on this particular matter. I have sang it many times as it is a cracking song. the point of the post, which you seemed to have missed, is that something taken out of context can be taken differntly dependoing of the view point of the individual and there are more views than just yours which are equally deserving of respect.

robb Johnson, a singer songer writer you have said you have liked in other threads, is a friend of mine as well not only have I sung his songs in the middle bar in fact he came down and sang his own songs in the middle bar when he was booked at sidmouth folk festival. if its good enough for him...

but i digress, aside from you having no sense of humour on the subject of revolutionary songs or knowledge of a particular session,you should know better than to accuse me of not knowing my subject,i have, albeit immodestly, mentioned before my first degree is in Politcs and modern history. one module (12 week course)was Skocpols theory of revolutions, which while concentrating of french chinese and russion revolutions other academics uses the english revolution and groups such as the diggers to criticise her arguments which i made extensive reading when refuting her theory.

I dont mind the fact that you are passionate about your own views but it is a bit ironic IMHO that you dont want to allow others to have theirs if they disagree with you

and to get back to the point of this thread i thought sidmnouth was great this year. Mike

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:12 PM

You obviously don't get the joke, and BTW I do wonder if you have a sense of humour at all, everything in your life seems to be so black and white.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: mikefromdorch
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:11 PM

Is there really doubt about the Theatre bar sessions next year, Kitty? Is it the Festival management or the Manor management who are the problem? Who do we write to?
Perhaps more of you should have eaten Lynne's home-cooked pies there - the best food I had all week

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:01 PM

I once sang leon rosselsons "world turned upside down" at the sillier song session

This is an excellent example of why I steer well clear of the Anchor Middle Bar. A song about the struggle for and suppression of basic human rights is not a joke. The Diggers were an important historical movement and their aims of social justice are not aligned to any particular political party. It would behove those who snigger to do a minimal amont of basic research.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:10 PM

Don't know this Breton Cap either, probably because I never go near the Anchor. And he and his mate Lynne never come anywhere near where I am. They don't know me. None of which gives them or anyone else even the vaguest justification for seeking to prevent me from rubbishing someone else's sanctimonious and wholly erroneous preaching about festivals being for 'families' (as though this form of social living arrangement gained extra brownie points) and that all was well with the world (ha!) and that no agitation for social change through music was needed.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM

Giving up and going down the pub!!

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:01 PM

before i argue with someone I like to walk a mile in their shoes.
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that way if they get angry with me, they are a mile away and barefoot.
Cllr

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:59 PM

I once sang leon rosselsons "world turned upside down" at the sillier song session in the MBS half the audince who didnt know me looked puzzled as to why the song was being featured in this particular session the other half who did know me, and my politics,collapsed into
small heaps aound the bar. There are three morals to this story
1) there is a place for politics in folk
2) it helps to understand not only what you yourself are on about but also what the other person is on about too (if your going to get the joke)
3) that im trying to change the subject...

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Dave Earl
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM

Countess Richard,

MBSLynne is a friend of mine and has been attending Sidmouth for more that 20 years. If that does not qualify her for stating her feelings I don't know what does.

Cllr is also a friend so I hope my post to him will be seen for what it was intended to be (A joke if you can't see that).

If you are going to hi-jack the thread, for whatever reason, I shall leave too.

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: Cllr
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:47 PM

john J are you the same john J from altrincham who is qouted in the sidmouth herald today? if so well done!

Middlebar singers have been in the last three issues of the sidmouth herald on such topics such as singing in the sea and the fact that we raised 1361.15p for the sidmouth lifeboat on the tuesday night shanty sesion. I thought we had a great week. I persoanally had a fantastic time. My heart felt thanks to those that help organise the folk festival.

Cllr

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:33 PM

There is a general confusion between songs which document, and/or highlight social deprivation or mistreatment, and politics. These songs are what they are, just songs, they are not political statements. Once again we have this broad brush definition of politics.
Anyway, this is thread creep, so I will say no more on the subject.
Giok

Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:33 PM

As I never go anywhere near the pub in which the last poster lurks throughout the festival, can I point out that she has absolutely no idea who I am nor what I do and is thus disqualified to comment.