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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Cruiser Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:55 AM Yes! No! Maybe... (I'll coin this type of reply as "The Kerry Answer") Oh the days of the Kerry Answer, oh the days of the flip-flops too… Sung to the tune "The Kerry Dancers" I finally guess I should say No! I think, even though I prefer required membership for all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: jacqui.c Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:48 AM No. I hate to see the likes of Jerry leaving because of the behaviour of a few but don't really think that censorship is the way to go. IMHO the best way to deal with trolls and flamers is to ignore them. If you get a personal attack take a very deep breath and move on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Sorcha Date: 26 Aug 04 - 01:05 AM Actually, we don't have a Vote...so I think I shall only be in the chat room for quite a while. Might read some threads, but doubt if I'll post to any. Sorry, I'm sick of it just now, but not much I can do. It comes in cycles. This is a bad one. See ya down the road sometime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 26 Aug 04 - 12:58 AM "When these people say NO Censorship, what they really mean is no one is to censor THEM... " You do have a good point there Clinton... I remember Lenny Bruce's routine on Police in Our Society. :-) I am quite happy with removal of Spam, Porn, vindictive abuse, and some similar things (someone has to clean the shit off the floor in the toilets) - but willy nilly editing of anything else is a bit much. Robin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:51 PM " Censorship, in any form, is wrong. " Somer people are are so full of crap! EVERYTHING is censored in some way or another.... When these people say NO Censorship, what they really mean is no one is to censor THEM... What frigg'n ever... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 09:14 PM That's a pretty damn long list there, BillD. Are you afraid of the bogeyman too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bill D Date: 25 Aug 04 - 08:47 PM yes, Ron..I have seen enough of your posts to realize you knew what you were posting...*smile*...I was sorta complementing the cleverness. (I do still favor the sort of 'censorship' that removes personal attacks & stalking, spam, threats...etc.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 25 Aug 04 - 08:09 PM No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Janie Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:59 PM Uh....This would be an opinion poll as opposed to a vote. Mudcat is NOT a democracy. But since you asked, my opinion is No! Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:42 PM Bill D - I hope you realize I was being sarcastic with my "delete this thread" comment! I was just trying to point out that Mudcat enabled This Villian to start a thread like this. IF This Villian's wish came true, it would be very easy to have a thread like this removed. Censorship, in any form, is wrong. What was suggested here is nothing more than censorship. Self-censorship is probably the most dangerous kind. If you can't stand the heat, find another sandbox to play in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bobert Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:38 PM NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! Leave the GUESTS out of this. There are more rude registered folks than rude GUESTS... NO! NO! NO! NO! Censorship by any other name is still censorship. Heck, I'd rather go play somewhere else because of rude folks than because of censorship... NO! NO! No, no, a thousand times no! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:30 PM Aw, thanks for the hug. Could you scratch my left shoulder blade a little while you're doing it? Aaaaahhh!!! -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: katlaughing Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:26 PM I am amending my response. To quote BillD: 'yes' to the concept 'no' to the details, which are much too complex to administer easily just a requirement that 'guests' must choose a name, even if they don't register, would satisfy me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:21 PM Must be time for a Mudcat therapy thread. Come on now everyone, let's all join together for {{{{{{BIG HUGS}}}}}} There now, don't we all feel better? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:15 PM "Blaming the people who fight back is kinda like blaming a robery victim for pulling a gun." Responding in kind to insults or hurtful remarks in a thread is in no way analogous to a situation where your life is being treatened. It merely requires some self-control. Sometimes quite a lot of self control. But hitting back in kind is completely self-defeating. You aren't shooting them or hurting them in any way, you are actually rewarding the attacker, making them feel good. You are making them them feel they've got through to you, and been noticed, and that has to make them more likely to carry on in this way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Rasener Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:08 PM Its very interesting to see the differing viewpoints. I guess there is no easy solution. Quote from Joe It's still true that the very best way to deal with flames and abuse is to ignore them, to act as if offensive posts were invisible. End of quote I agree with Joe personally - by far the best way to deal with it, however some members can't seem to do that and get drawn in to the point where they can't stop. So, I am going to go to bed and enjoy a good nights sleep :-) Hope you all do as well :-) Thanks for all your viewpoints even though YES and No was all that was needed. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:07 PM Pdq, I feel the same way about invective-laden threads as I do about bin-laden threads. Blow them up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:03 PM Quis custodiat ipsos custodes Anyway it isn't our call. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: PoppaGator Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:59 PM NO No censorship, and no fretting about what you wish you hadn't read. What you don't like, please ignore. Shaddup already! (Both "sides.") An absense of scolding responses, if we could manage it, might very well dissuade the flamers from fanning their fires. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Georgiansilver Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:53 PM Mr Villan Sir...Where I agree in principle to your suggestions being the right approach in "the ideal world", there are a number of reasons why it could not work. Policing(the number of postings on here is vast). administration....takes too much time to organise let alone put into practice. Too many of the "nasties" would not give up but likely play "hit and run" on a number of threads....usually one suspects as GUEST...these people will always try it on. I would suggest that some are wasting too much time on flamers and trolls instead of getting on with the serious stuff. Music is my chief reason for being on here..I read a lot and add to some threads but for extra recreation I come to the BS threads for a bit of fun.....My idea of fun does not always concur with others but there ya go...I still have my fun. Principles are great but not always practical. My vote is that we all abstain and get on with things as they are. We all have choices! Best wishes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: pdq Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:52 PM The reason for abusive attacks is politics. One side believes they can shout down any origional or non-conforming opinions. Those shouted down fight back or leave the forum. Blaming the people who fight back is kinda like blaming a robery victim for pulling a gun. If people would show discipline and not start invective-laden threads or post hateful attacks on people who are not here to defend themselves, the riot would slow down. Somebody who has to say "I Hate Bush!" 20 times a day is someone with severe mental problems. Say what you have to say . Say It once. Period. I think each member, other than the one who started the thread sould post once. That means think out what you have to say, post, then move on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:50 PM ummm...nice play on words there Cluin....I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: artbrooks Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:43 PM I can't agree with these very different issues being lumped together, so no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Cluin Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:42 PM I think you're missing an opportunity here. Maybe you'd like to pole a few guests. It'd likely be quite painful for them and you'd get something out of your system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:41 PM Well, as you can see, there are conflicting opinions. Some people want one thing, and some want the complete opposite. Seems like there's no way to keep everybody happy, but we try to keep a balance. What more can I say? We will continue to delete serious racism and personal attacks when we see them. We just can't play host to that sort of stuff. It's still true that the very best way to deal with flames and abuse is to ignore them, to act as if offensive posts were invisible. That "discipline of silence" doesn't seem to happen around here as often as it should. I would like Mudcat to be a gently, friendly place where people feel comfortable - and I'm deeply embarrassed when it's not. Right now, it sees that too many people around here just want to do battle. I'm sorry, but no amount of editorial work will change the essential spirit of things here. We do what we can to put out fires; but peace has to come from the community, not from some sort of editorial enforcement. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:40 PM Robbed! I've just realised I still don't get to vote. Someone chuck in a NO for me please. Newt : no problem. The job's yours. MG : sorry all out of chalk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:39 PM Congrats there, milk monitor! I've been using this one for a couple of threads now, and I have to admit it's growing on me. Truth be told, I'm just waiting for one of the guest witches to turn me back to a regular cookie carrying member of the mob, so I can play burn the guest witch too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:38 PM Villan, you are now losing big time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Metchosin Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:37 PM No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM BillD said it very well: "'yes' to the concept 'no' to the details, which are much too complex to administer easily." The devil is in the details. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM This is starting to look a lot like the Florida elections in 2000, isn't it? I feel so...dispossessed. My vote won't be counted. Yet so many gather around screaming about it, just like in Florida. To speak a Roddy Doyleism, I guess us guests are nothin' more than the Mudcat's niggers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,SueB Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:35 PM Are these really the only options? Then, no. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:34 PM At last I've got a name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: robomatic Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:33 PM NO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM And again: No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Jim Dixon Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM No. I could support a milder solution, but the one proposed is too drastic. For instance, if you had proposed restrictions that apply only to BS threads, I could support that. I would not support any system that did not allow guests to request lyrics or make comments about music. I am concerned that people who post only to music threads won't even notice this thread, thus biasing your survey in favor of restrictions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM I think that I will vote again. Here in Chicago you can vote early and often. So, No. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:26 PM Only if I get to be the sidewalk crossing guard, and carry the STOP flag, Guest 6:17. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:25 PM No, just write on the blackboard, " I will not cause irritation and chafing to The Villan for the rest of my life." 500 times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:23 PM that was a good one, Guest! I vote YES to GUEST as official milk monitor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:19 PM "wait until you see the numbers of "moderators" that will leave if this plan is put in effect" Sounds like a good reson to do it right there! This place even HAS moderators? Coulda fooled me.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:17 PM I know I can't vote, but can I be milk monitor? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:15 PM Lynch me please, you lovable Mudcat mob you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:14 PM No Just boycott the posters who poison the place from time to time. Don't reply to them, don't acknowledge them, don't even read their posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM I abstain. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: khandu Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM No |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:12 PM If we censor "abusive" today, where do we stop?. Do we censor "obscene" tomorrow? How about "politically incorrect" next week? Surely there are some folks who would be delighted to see us censor "heretical", "sacriligious", or "contrary to the national interest". How about "not in line with proper vegetarian thinking", or "all posts that promote alcohol abuse"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: GUEST,The Newt Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:11 PM Face it BillD. The guests have got you surrounded. WE WILL WE WILL HAUNT YOU! WE WILL WE WILL TAUNT YOU! You see, we've been through the desert on a horse with no name... Oh, the maddening irony! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Once Famous Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:11 PM No. Villan, you are pure evil. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Poll - Stop Flaming and Abusive posting From: Don Firth Date: 25 Aug 04 - 06:10 PM I'm pretty much in agreement with Bill D, 25 Aug 04 - 05:30 PM, but as he says, administration would be the problem. Probably best to leave things as they are, so I guess my vote is "no." I've tried what I thought was "good natured banter" in response to being flamed, but I've come to the conclusion that it's counter-productive. Joe Offer was right in his notes to newcomers and it seems that it also holds for Mudcat vets as well: ignore the flamers and the trolls. Mudcat is too good a resource for all kinds of things, I like it here, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let the vermin drive me out. Don Firth |