BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 04:09 AM

Thanks, I was gonna also mention that brilliant idea thought by some Germans

"Achieve Freedom Through Hard Work!"

While their friends in the RAF said

"You Reach The Stars Through Hard Work!"

Which is of course not true - have you ever seen the RAF on American Idol?

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: GUEST,Civilian
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 10:32 PM

Didn't they give the Jews some busy work at Auschwitz? Damned thoughtful of the Germans.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 09:41 PM

"Sure! Let's organize criminals into armed groups! "

You mean armed groups with military training?

Isn't that one of the main problems in Iraq?

:-)



"You can think back on the chain gangs"

Tt wasn't so much that they were 'given the opportunity to reclaim themselves in the eyes of society by doing honest work' - but the way they were treated...

see movie "Cool Hand Luke"....

(still shakin' Boss!)

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 11:24 PM

"..Away down yonder in Tennessee, they leased the convicts out
To work on the railroad, against free labor south.."
(Uncle Dave Macon, "Roll Down the Line"

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 08:12 PM

jeffp - That was supposed to be a joke. I should have let you know.

;>{

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 05:51 PM

I'm taking a 33-week social justice class at church this year. I live in a wealthy, right-wing, punish-don't-rehabilitate county. I visited some 25 prisons and jails in the 25 years I worked as a federal investigator - and my own county jail is one of the worst correctional facilities I've seen. It's clean and modern and steril - but TOO sterile. Prisoners are cages into 2-person cells 23 hours a day, or they're crowded into 105-person dormitories where they sleep in bunks, three feet away from the next person.
Of the 660 inmates in our county jail, only 24 are used on work crews outside the jail. The rest are caged in, almost all the time, with little or no mental stimulation.

I think giving prisoners a job can be a big help. They can be doing something constructive instead of pacing a cage. In many prisons, they also earn a token wage. You can think back on the chain gangs and decide that it's immoral and inhumane to force prisoners to work, but I don't think that has to be the case. I think it could be a very good thing to have work programs available for most prisoners.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: jeffp
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 05:18 PM

Sure! Let's organize criminals into armed groups!

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 04:21 PM

Why don't we just make serving in the military a condition of their parole?

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 03:00 AM

"When the blood-letting of jobs reaches a point of severe negative economic impact on a state, the prisons are there to fill the void. Prisons provide work for guards and courts and all the support industries, so states do what they can to make sure their prisons continue in operation. And like any other business, prisons seek to grow, so that means more prisoners are constantly needed. More arrests and convictions for crimes that become more and more petty. 1-2% growth rate is reasonable for a prison system, so that means YOU will be arrested and have to "work off your debt to society" someday."

That happened in England a couple of centuries ago - that's how we Aussie got started.

So this is a long term plot to get cheap labour for the new Federal Settlement on the Moon and Mars?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:25 PM

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from the www

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: GUEST,Civilian
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:12 PM

Well, I posted this because I heard an interview a couple of days ago by an expert on this system, and it surprised me how few people have heard of the program. I thought it was common knowledge. I mean, that's an Army website.

According to the interviewee, who just got out of prison and wrote 3 books about govt while he was locked up, he said that the prison systems in most states ARE now run by the feds. Like with education, transportation, religion, etc., the feds gain control by offering money to greedy officials. In the case of the prison system, prisons that take federal money technically become an organ of the federal govt, which means the military can then use the inmates in that prison for the purposes outlined in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program.

The interviewee is from Michigan, and he said that he recalled when there were 4 federal prisons in that state, and there are now more than 40. They're former "state" prisons that may still be listed as such, but for legal purposes they're federal. For the purposes of the Labor Program, that means free slave labor.

The process works this way... The federal govt makes it attractive to states to overbuild prisons as other industries within the state wither and die (jobs to Mexico and China, outsourcing, etc.). When the blood-letting of jobs reaches a point of severe negative economic impact on a state, the prisons are there to fill the void. Prisons provide work for guards and courts and all the support industries, so states do what they can to make sure their prisons continue in operation. And like any other business, prisons seek to grow, so that means more prisoners are constantly needed. More arrests and convictions for crimes that become more and more petty. 1-2% growth rate is reasonable for a prison system, so that means YOU will be arrested and have to "work off your debt to society" someday.

Anyway, some states refused to go along with the federal prison expansion program, and they are now "freer." In the states that took the federal money, "crime" is now "skyrocketing" as the gulag system cries out to be fed.

This changeover to a prison economy has a ripple effect, too. Colleges are pushing "Homeland Security" degrees (education about how to spy and torture), because that's where the jobs are expected to be in the future. Imprisonment and slave labor is the new growth industry in America.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:27 PM

Sorry, Art. My mistake. Good eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:24 PM

Well, no, Peace. The regulation includes state and local facilities, under specific circumstances. See Chap. 1, section 1-1 of the regulation I did the blicky for.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:10 PM

Maybe...maybe...someday we'll see people like Rove and Wolfowitz and Cheney out on chain gangs? Ya think maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:08 PM

The inmate labor program refers to minimum security Federal prisoners, not State or Municipal.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:06 PM

Soooooo...you think that there might be slavery? Try this on for size:

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

The emphasis is mine (just to keep y'all worried). And in case you don't recognize it, that's the 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 06:47 PM

And the point would be? Read the regulation, which can be found here. It refers directly to Federal and state correction facilities located within the boundaries of military installations. The Federal penitentiary at Leavenworth,Kansas, which is located on Fort Leavenworth, comes immediately to mind, but I'm sure there are others.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 05:09 PM

EO 11000
EO 11001
EO 11002
EO 11003
EO 11004

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 05:07 PM

But the town has no need to be nervous . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 04:51 PM

Wage indentured servitude is alive and well.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 04:21 PM

Ask any Walmart employee.

CB

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 03:38 PM

"Takin' it off here, Boss"

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 03:29 PM

Ask any private.

Subject: RE: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 03:27 PM

Slavery is evidently alive and well and living in the USA military...

Subject: BS: Civilian Inmate Labor Program
From: GUEST,Civilian
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 02:06 PM

Do any of you know about the U.S. Army's "Civilian inmate labor program?" The document can be found at the Army's website. The document uses the term "prison camp" more than a hundred times. Some excerpts:

1–5
Civilian inmate labor programs benefit both the Army and corrections systems by—
(1) Providing a source of labor at no direct labor cost to Army installations to accomplish tasks that would not be possible otherwise due to the manning and funding constraints under which the Army operates.
(2) Providing meaningful work for inmates and, in some cases, additional space to alleviate overcrowding in nearby corrections facilities.
(3) Making cost–effective use of buildings and land not otherwise being used.

2-1
The Army is not interested in, nor can afford, any relationship with a corrections facility if that relationship stipulates payment for civilian inmate labor.

2-3
Army military or civilian personnel may oversee the work to be performed by inmates or inmate labor details.... Oversight is defined as telling inmates what they must do by specifying work to be accomplished.

3-2

Installation commanders will not initiate formal discussions with correctional systems representatives to establish civilian inmate prison camps on their installations. Installation commanders are not authorized to negotiate with these representatives without first obtaining HQDA approval to proceed. Once approval is granted, installation commanders may enter into negotiations....


A link to a Yahoo search for the words "civilian inmate labor program.":

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu89f6wFGsCEByR6l87UF?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=civilian+inmate+labor+program&fspl=0

I listed the yahoo way so you can choose PDF or html.