BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM

The first one in the series was bad. Given Cheney's positions I don't suppose it gets better. I'll have time to read it later today.

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 03:34 AM

Part 2 of the 4 part Washington Post series on Herr Cheney has now been posted:

WP: Cheney reshaped limits on interrogation

"His lawyer, they said, has recently restated Cheney's argument that when courts and Congress "purport to" limit the commander in chief's warmaking authority, he has the constitutional prerogative to disregard them."

Sounds a lot like Adolf speaking - to me.

John

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:33 AM

I wonder what percentage of people- Mudcatters, specifically - is Insert noun of choice here:__________________?

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: GUEST,It takes some Pillage
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:54 AM

Everything Cheney and Bush do is toward a larger end. If they are allowed to leave office without charges filed against them or impeachment at the very least, then they will have set precedent. The NEXT vice president will be able to claim independence from other parts of the government. We could then have a brief perior (4 years?) when some evil vice-president runs a hundred million Americans through the concentration/death camps that Halliburton has built around America. Run us through the gas and mulch process while the president scratches his head and says, "I dunno, let's let the courts figure this one out...there's precedent."

I think Hillary Clinton is unelectable. She can only become president if they forcibly steal another election, or if she's VP and the president is assassinated. And as long as Obama does a good Uncle Tom job, there won't be any need to kill him. So I predict president Obama scratching his head while marxist vixen Clinton runs amok. Of course, all the people she kills will be al Qeada, then Oprah will give Hillary's new book (It takes some Pillage) the Bleeding Heart award or some such crap...

Anyway, that's the deal with Cheney...it's all about setting unchallenged precedent for the next pack of animals to use.

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: SharonA
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:54 PM

Send him to Texas. Maybe he'll shoot some more of his friends...

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Alice
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:57 PM

I just read Wiki's history of the town of Cheney.
Even the town acted like VP Cheney today!
It must be a legacy of getting away with whatever you can.
On a fight with Spokane, the town of Cheney wanted to be the county seat - Cheney seemed to win the election but because
of IRREGULARITES AT THE POLLS, Spokane was made the county seat.
"....On a night when most of the residents of Spokane Falls were at a gala wedding celebration, a delegation of armed "Cheneyites" invaded the Auditor's office, took possession of the books, did their own ballot recount which showed Cheney [the town] the victor, and made off into the darkness with the records. The "Grand Steal" was not contested and was confirmed by a court decision in 1881."

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:40 PM

Ya know, one VP has already been tried for high crimes and misdemeanors.... Got off, but barely.

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:36 PM

Well, why the 'ell can't he just buy his very own desert island, go there and be the gubmint all by his own self???? Huh?

Sounds like a plan to me. There is even legal precedent for it.

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Alice
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:33 PM

Send him to Cheney, in the state of Washington (near Spokane).
I think it is named after his family, anyway.
By the way, the real pronunciation of this name is CHEE-nee.

Alice in Montana

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 01:24 PM

Ebbie's link is posted as "Part One of Four" at MSNBC, and future installments may be of interest.

An alternate link, where the promise of the additional episodes of this horror serial, for those who may wish to follow it, is at:


WP: Cheney exerts influence out of public view

John

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:49 PM

Here is a link to a new series detailing Dick Cheney and his niches in life:

Washington Post Series

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:40 PM

Well, if his office isn't part of the Executive Branch and it's not part of the gummint, he has no authority in the government at all! Give him his horse and saddle and send him back to...to...well, Wyoming doesn't want him, and I don't want him in Idaho...and Montana doesn't need him...no! Let's send him to the Turner Ranch in Montana!

Subject: RE: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:35 PM

I know, and Wyoming has to 'claim' him I guess. I think we stopped hanging people a long time ago......

Just don't send him home, OK?

Subject: BS: On DIck Cheney, Chimera
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:32 PM

Some thoughts on the evilest man in Washington, perhaps, from the Times columnist Maureen Dowd:

It's hard to imagine how Dick Cheney could get more dastardly, unless J. K. Rowling has him knock off Harry Potter next month.

Harry's cloak of invisibility would be no match for Vice's culture of invisibility.

I've always thought Cheney was way out there — the most Voldemort-like official I've run across. But even in my harshest musings about the vice president, I never imagined that he would declare himself not only above the law, not only above the president, but actually his own dark planet — a separate entity from the White House.

I guess a man who can wait 14 hours before he lets it dribble out that he shot his friend in the face has no limit on what he thinks he can keep secret. Still, it's quite a leap to go from hiding in a secure, undisclosed location in the capital to hiding in a secure, undisclosed location in the Constitution.

Dr. No used to just blow off the public and Congress as he cooked up his shady schemes. Now, in a breathtaking act of arrant arrogance, he's blowing off his own administration.

Henry Waxman, the California congressman who looks like an accountant and bites like a pit bull, is making the most of Congress's ability, at long last, to scrutinize Cheney's chicanery.

On Thursday, Mr. Waxman revealed that after four years of refusing to cooperate with the government unit that oversees classified documents, the vice president tried to shut down the unit rather than comply with the law ensuring that sensitive data is protected. The National Archives appealed to the Justice Department, but who knows how much justice there is at Justice, now that the White House has so blatantly politicized it?

Cheney's office denied doing anything wrong, but Cheney's office is also denying it's an office. Tricky Dick Deuce declared himself exempt from a rule that applies to everyone else in the executive branch, instructing the National Archives that the Office of the Vice President is not an "entity within the executive branch" and therefore is not subject to presidential executive orders.

"It's absurd, reflecting his view from the first day he got into office that laws don't apply to him," Representative Waxman told me. "The irony is, he's taking the position that he's not part of the executive branch."

Ah, if only that were true. Then maybe W. would be able to close Gitmo, which Vice has insisted he not do. And Condi wouldn't have to worry every night that she'll wake up to find crazy Dick bombing Iran, whispering to W. that they have to do it before that weak sister Hillary takes over.

"Your decision to exempt your office from the president's order is problematic because it could place national security secrets at risk," Mr. Waxman, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, wrote to Cheney.

Of course, it's doubtful, now that Vice has done so much to put our national security at risk, that he'll suddenly listen to reason.

Cheney and Cheney's Cheney, David Addington, his equally belligerent, ideological and shadowy lawyer and chief of staff, have no shame. After claiming executive privilege to withhold the energy task force names and protect Scooter Libby, they now act outraged that Vice should be seen as part of the executive branch.

Cheney, they argue, is the president of the Senate, so he's also part of the legislative branch. Vice is casting himself as a constitutional chimera, an extralegal creature with the body of a snake and the head of a sea monster. It's a new level of gall, to avoid accountability by saying you're part of a legislative branch that you've spent six years trying to weaken.

But gall is the specialty of Addington, who has done his best to give his boss the powers of a king. He was the main author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects, and he helped stonewall the 9/11 commission. He led the fights supporting holding terrorism suspects without access to courts and against giving Congress and environmentalists access to information about the energy industry big shots who secretly advised Cheney on energy policy.

Dana Perino, a White House press spokeswoman, had to go out on Friday and defend Cheney's bizarre contention that he is his own government. "This is an interesting constitutional question that legal scholars can debate," she said.

I love that Cheney was able to bully Colin Powell, Pentagon generals and George Tenet when drumming up his fake case for war, but when he tried to push around the little guys, the National Archive data collectors — I'm visualizing dedicated "We the People" wonky types with glasses and pocket protectors — they pushed back.

Archivists are the new macho heroes of Washington."