BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 02:28 PM

Bugger. I hate it when I screw up.

Well, lets try THIS
and ditto above, q.v.-

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 10:37 PM

The video is a real stomach turner.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson HAD TO drop out of the race
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 10:36 PM

It seems a video of Fred Thompson cheating on his wife with Bea Arthur has surfaced so he HAD TO drop out of the race.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 10:08 PM

Rig-

No problem with listing McCain's positions.

Just no slander, please. I would think--and hope--that by now you can tell the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 04:06 PM

Your link 404's Greg.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 04:03 PM

HERE is the real John McCain.

And its a shame, too - once upon a time he did have integrity & was worthy of respect.

But no longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:00 PM

Ron - We can make a long list of things that McCain has gotten himself involved in with an eye on a presidential run going back at least as far as the year 2000.
                      He's been trying to negotiate a middle-of-the-road position on anything that might bring him political heat in a general election. If he's successful in gaining the nomination, it will probably work for him. If not, it's going to be interesting to see what he does as a senator.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:56 PM

Captain-

A bit simplistic. But I suspect you know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:51 PM

who runs america?,is it big business or the people?
I dont know I have never been there.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:35 PM

Rig--

McCain was, you might note, a part of Feingold-McCain. And has been pilloried by the Right for it--regardless of how effective you deem it has been. (By the way there are plenty of liberal-leaning 527 groups too. So you might want to delete that from your list of evidence of the All-Powerful Right-Wing Conspiracy.)

But he believes in standing up for something if he believes it's right--regardless of popularity.

Just slightly different from looking for shadowy villains everywhere to explain problems you might be having.

You might even try it yourself someday.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:27 PM

Somehow, LH, you may not be an objective observer here. Rig slandered McCain--a good man--and an American hero-- but deluded about Iraq. Sorry you don't like my defending him.   It's too bad you two don't seem to believe in fair play.

I wonder if it has something to do with a shared fondness for creative conspiracy theories. Probably not--probably a separate issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 10:08 PM

LH - Posting comments that Ron might reply to is a little like volunteering for elctro-shock therapy, but we do what we can.

                   Ron - without going back and re-reading McCain-Feingold, I don't think there was any effort to embrace the public financing of campaigns. It was an effort to get special interest money out of politics, and that worked for about a week until the 527 groups formed and things were back to normal.

                   A sideline event that grew out of it was, it removed any barrier for people of immense financial means from bankrolling their own political campaigns. Hence the reference to Mayor Bloomberg.

                   Just because a bunch of other Republicans didn't like it doesn't make it a good deal for the public. Maybe they saw the holes in it before it became law.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 03:01 PM

Well, expecting something different from any despised opponent would interfere with your established view of them, wouldn't it?

And that would be just too damn uncomfortable. No, better to just continue writing Rinslinger off as a totally worthless person, a contemptible scumbag who has nothing useful to say, a racist, a dumbass, and someone who does "no research", right? ;-) Much more fun that way, and it allows for such telling personal diatribes too.

"sneer, sneer, sneer"

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 02:07 PM

"The solution is the public funding of campaigns"--which you're willing to give Feingold credit for, but not McCain. How could I expect anything different from the CEO of "Smears R Us"?

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 10:45 AM

Ron -

    "Do you ever do any research? Have you ever heard of McCain- Feingold?"
                      Yes, I talk about McCain-Feingold in the above posting--see attached:


    "A lot of folks on the Right...(are)annoyed at McCain as a result?"
                      A lot of folks on the Right are addicted to ancient superstitions and have rendered themselves incapable of rational thought. There are others, of course, who are addicted to superstitions which aren't quite so ancient, for whom the McCain-Feingold legislation works very well. Mitt Romney, for instance, can pour as much money into his campaign as he chooses with no restrictions. Mayor Bloomberg might be right behind him.


    "And I'm tired of wasting my time trying to teach you economics regarding immigration."

                   The Adam Smith, Frederick Hayek, Ronald Reagan theories of economics have recently been blown out of the water. Have you not been reading the newspapers? It's back to John Maynard Keynes, and the sooner the better.
                   So tighten up those borders, think Green, and save the resources.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 11:37 PM

Rig--

Do you ever do any research? Have you ever heard of McCain- Feingold? A lot of folks on the Right have--and they're annoyed at McCain as a result?

And I'm tired of wasting my time trying to teach you economics regarding immigration. Maybe another day. Somebody certainly needs to.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 11:03 PM

Ron - McCain was wrong about illegal immigration. The solution to that problem lies in the countries from which the immigrants come. Turning the US into a third world country will not help them or anyone else.
                      He was wrong about campaign finance reform. What we have now is a situation where anyone who inherits, steals, or marries into enought money can simply buy any public office he or she wants. The solution is the public financing of campaigns. McCain is a long way from that--though Feingold might got for it, if he could just get around the Senator from Arizona.
                      I don't know where he is on global warming, but my guess is he's into whatever generates corporate profits. If he's into using food stocks--animal or human--to generate energy, he's in the wrong camp there. We'll see.
                      He's out in space when it comes to economic issues. He was against Bush's tax cuts before he was for them, and the tax cuts are what has gotten us into the financial cesspool we are in now.

                        So where is the slander?

                Also, I think you might want to review your use of the catch-all phrase--conspiracy theory. It might work for the mindless church goers who listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I don't think it will play here unless there is both a conspiracy and a theory.


                     Do you remember Alan Stang? Think about it!

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 10:30 PM

Rig--

Fine, he's wrong about a lot--though not the necessity of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, nor campaign finance reform, nor global warming--which he also believes in.

And even if you disagree with him about absolutely everything, I'm sorry to have to tell you that does not give you the right to slander him.

Even though, together with unsupported conspiracy theories, it seems to be your stock in trade.

And that's not slander--just a cursory glance at your wonderful contributions will confirm it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 08:31 AM

McCain is wrong about absolutely everything, at least everything that matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 11:17 PM

More slander (unsurprisingly).    McCain is wrong on Iraq. But he is not in favor of wasting money in Iraq--or in fact spending any more than necessary. Problem is: he still thinks we can "win"--while not being able to define what that is.

And like all the others except Paul, he still raises the "al-Qaeda" bogeyman--ignoring the fact that Iraqi Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds hate al-Qaeda. So how is al-Qaeda ever going to take over in Iraq--which is what all the Republican candidates except Paul threaten the US public with?

But cut the slander, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:45 PM

We always have trouble trying to define "pork barrel." McCain would love to waste every dime he could get his hands on in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:29 PM

McCain has an uphill battle. His party don't want him to be the man because he is not conservative enough. Imagine a senator being against the pork barrel!

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:19 PM

Yeah, he was actually trying to be Reagan for a while, but he found out that didn't play well in 2008.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 09:04 AM

Thompson is a Reagan Worshiper into the bargain - talk about beating a (brain)dead horse...

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 06:36 AM

......uh, Ron......I like you and I know you're wired up over politics but its blatantly obvious that no one on this thread gives half a crap about any real issues over Freddie D. leaving the race. Thompson made his bones during Watergate but since then its been a dry hole even as a Senator. I think even he knows that........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:44 AM

Blame it on the writers' strike. Thompson ran out of things to say.

'Course, he could have gone into reruns, I suppose. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 11:39 PM

Amos, you beat me to the punch. I was gonna ask, "Has anybody noticed yet?"

Really, I've never, for the life of me, understood what made Fred -- or anyone else -- think he was qualified as a serious contender for the White House. OK, there have been others (e.g., Abe Lincoln) who have had the same or less experience in government. But some people seemed to think Thompson, by virtue of being tall and in the public eye (albeit not playing himself) and "looking presidential," might be more qualified than, say, someone like Dennis Kucinich (former Cleveland mayor and long-time member of the House) or John Edwards (1 term in the US Senate and a VP candidate).    Why?

The guy never seemed to articulate any coherent political philosophy.

Part of me is sad he's gone, though.   Better the Dems should have to run against Fred than against war-hero McCain with his 'trustworthy' image.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 11:02 PM

I would guess it does in fact hurt McCain--but the beneficiaries are likely to be Romney and/or Giuliani-- not Huckabee, who can't even campaign effectively in Florida--he doesn't have the money--and never expected to get even this far. Since all three, Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson, claimed to be "truer conservatives" than McCain--on immigration (Romney), campaign finance reform, and tax cuts. And now McCain's opposition will not be split as many ways.

There are many other groups in Florida than "Bible thumpers"--even though that category seems to be the ultimate bogeyman for some Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 10:51 PM

No doubt Fred Thompson was dropped by his sponsor. They do that, you know, when the ratings don't make the grade.

I for one was hardly aware he was campaigning.

Why didn't Jeb Bush run?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 05:33 PM

Ah, the olde folke processe rolled back up!!! Thanks, bobad. I have disseminated a cruel Urban Myth. My apologies to Mister Mizner, his heirs, assigns and descendants, if any.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 04:35 PM

Amos, regarding your post:

The recently published Yale Book of Quotations (Yale University Press) has the following:

[When told of the death of Calvin Coolidge:] How can they tell?
Wilson Mizner, Quoted in Esquire, July 1938. Often credited to Dorothy Parker, but the 1938 Mizner attribution predates the earliest Parker attribution (1944) found.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 04:14 PM

No! She said how does he know.


(nothing like screwing up a good line)

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 02:08 PM

Yeah! I saw Whoopie Golberg on television, and they told her Ronald Reagan was in New York. And she said, who does he know?

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 01:54 PM

THis was compared to the Dorothy Parker remark when she was informed that Herbert Hoover had died: "How can they tell?"


A

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 10:15 AM

Well, maybe it will go into convention, and Jeb will jump into the race. Then, with a little cut & pase, you can have Jeb & Fred bumper stickers.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 09:57 AM

crap, all my Fred & Jeb 08 bumper stickers will now go to waste.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 04:09 PM

It seems to me like that hurts McCain in Florida, giving more Bible thumpers to Huckabee, unless of course he endorses McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 04:09 PM

Maybe it was an extended audition for a revived NBC series - "The West Wing - 2008".

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 04:05 PM

some were never sure he was really IN the race.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 04:02 PM

Sure don't need another actor in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:58 PM

Well, Garge was in for 8 years. A tough guy ain't gonna get in, eh?????

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:39 PM

Onward and downward!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:31 PM

Figgered he would. Nothing new to run on.

Subject: BS: Fred Thompson drops out of the race
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:29 PM

MSNBC Story