Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Kiss Me Slow Slap Me Quick
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 01:25 PM

Sorry if I hit a nerve or was too close to the bone. But. This was my reaction. I was looking forward to a treat, some of my long time favourite performers on prime time TV. An event not to be missed.

What did I get?

Some wacky amateur types acting out some fantasy they previously rehersed in front of their bedroom mirrors.

How much this was set up to fit the beeb's preconception of how to present FOLK music, I am not sure. FOLK usualy means let's have a laugh at some finger-in-the-ear weirdoes. Type casting or what?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 11:34 AM

female anatomy slang

Somebody called Guest Ed was asking another Guest with a ridiculous name why he was such a twat.
Seems a perfectly reasonable question, though unlikely to receive a coherent answer.
What I wonder is why so many of them are on the loose at present.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: irishenglish
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:58 AM

Come on now, I am no prude, but I don't want to see words like that on a forum about the imagined village. And getting back to thread, Eliza for one has appeared a few times I believe on Jools' show, so before we talk about conspiracies against folk here, has any one seen those appearances, and did she get the same airtime, interviews, etc? I have seen some clips on you tube, but have not seen the full show, so maybe someone could tell me. She also is on the third volume of Jools and Orchestra Friends CD, so to be fair, hard core Jools fans should know her. As to people like Chris Wood, etc, it seems it would have been nice to show some recognition, so that one I'll give you. Just lets stop with the female anatomy slang.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 12:28 AM

simian and obnoxious

Unfair to monkeys (and other Celtic Connections viewers).

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 10:56 PM

Was that Aaron Jones on cittern?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Gene Burton
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 07:14 PM

Why is ANY word used as a term of abuse?
Abuse in my experience comes from damaged and embittered people whose use of foul and abusive language/statements say far more about them than it ever could about the recipient. Sadly, for some, it seems the relative safety and anonymity afforded by cyberspace affords them carte blanche to behave in as simian and obnoxious a manner as they please, without fear of any consequences.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 06:55 PM

Why are twat and cunt used as terms of abuse?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 05:00 PM

It appears to be Twats & Prats night out on here at the mo.
Why? They just are . . .

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM

a difference of opinion = a twat? *LOL*

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 04:44 PM

Kiss Me Slow Slap Me Quick,

Why are you such a twat?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Kiss Me Slow Slap Me Quick
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 04:10 PM

Total waste of time. No interview? I'm surprised the plug wasn't pulled before they finished. For a show that has had as many low spots as high spots, this must have been amoungst the lowest. A disaster. For anyone who watched on the Beeb web site you could also check out Celtic Connections. I had recomended this to some friends to watch on Sunday evening. Wished I hadn't. But hey, what do I know.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Girl Friday
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 02:26 PM

Thanks for all that . So it was Chris Wood - I recognised the voice, but not the face.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 06:16 AM

Not talking about the artists themselves Diane, just that there are people out there in the big wide world who will not have heard of things that are obvious and possibly old news to us.

Lets not put them off


I think you are aware that I believe the quality of artists like Chris Wood, Carthy's, and many of the others involved in TIV (and elsewhere) should be trumpeted from the roof tops to be the essential and vitally important artists that they are.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:43 AM

Woops, I omitted a "not", being so astonished and dismayed myself at such narrowness (which seems to have temporarily broken the forum).

. . . who would NOT be at least . . .

I suppose this will post itself when it gets over the shock.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:33 AM

Of the artists involved in TIV:

Benjamin Zephaniah
Billy Bragg
Chris Wood
Eliza Carthy
Johnny Kalsi
Martin Carthy
Paul Weller
Sheila Chandra
Simon Emmerson
The Copper Family
The Gloworms
Tiger Moth
Trans-Global Underground
Tunng

there's not one who would be at least mildly astonished and dismayed to discover that some insist on categorising them as confined to "a very small pond" called "f*lk" (whatever that is).

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:25 AM

True Keith

Like I said it was probably the minutes that counted

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: KeithofChester
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:21 AM

The reason for only the one song and no interview has been speculated on elsewhere.

Later With Jools - Imagined Village @ the BBC

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:04 AM

Shame they cut the interview


They only got one song but on that show its the minutes that are allocated - so one song, but a six and a half minute one.


Give people a break for not having heard of Imagined Village, in the world of folk music it may have been a big project, but big in a very small pond.


I loved it - its an addition to more traditional ways of presenting songs, not a replacement and its great that they and others are doing it.

I hope that more UK Asian people collaborate more with white UK folk musicians - seems a good reflection of where I live anyway.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 03:42 AM

Yes, unlike what feels like the vast majority, I don't really get Tam Lin.
Of course, the idea and the imagery of setting it in modern day clubland is brilliant but I don't find Benjamin Zephaniah's performance quite gets the point across.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 03:23 AM

IMHO, CHRN is easily the most successful fusion on the CD and some of the rest gets right up my nose.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 02:38 AM

Chris Wood was performing CHRN (the Shagging Song as he calls it) at a solo gig a few days after the Brewery Beano at which he'd only been allowed to do half of it and he reminded his audience to imagine another 15 musicians including "a huge fucking dhol" (his words).

I first heard some bits of TIV at the fRoots 25th anniversary party when Simon Emmerson (who was DJ-ing) played what he had just been recording, including the Weller/Carthy Barleycorn. It's now coming up to the fR 29th anniversary. At the time of the launch at last year's WOMAD there was a massive thread about the project here and it has toured extensively since, culminating at the RFH last November. Hard indeed to miss.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 08:41 PM

Thanks Ian. Was able to view it on youtube. Was that Aaron Jones on cittern? Didn't get enough solid looks to tell. But, yes that was definately Chris Wood on lead vocal. Great stuff, though w/all the quick cuts it was a little disconcerting, visually. I'd 'heard' of the Imagined Village, but now that I've 'seen' it I get the idea. Would love to see a whole live show. Is there a DVD?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 07:09 PM

Martin
Thanks, no prob... it's just that you gotta hear about something for the first time somewhere! I've only heard of IV because it was performed in Bristol recently. I've not read about it here (or anywhere else, come to that, but then I don't get time to read much music stuff - too busy doing music stuff!).

I was mighty annoyed I missed it on Jules....I assume it's replayable?

Sue

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Gene Burton
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 05:00 PM

Well, I'd dimly heard of the Imagined Village, but wasn't really aware of what it was all about sonically until I saw it the other night...then again I don't tend to take my cue as to what to listen to from corporate awards ceremonies and the like.

I generally prefer my folk to be acoustic, though I liked what Carthy was playing on guitar (what I could hear of it). The drums, IMHO were somewhat intrusive and to my ears detracted from the sense of the song and the instrumental arrangement. Will doubtless appeal to the crossover market, though; and of course there's nothing wrong with that in itself.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 04:24 PM

Suegorgeous - yes it did seem a tad sarcastic didn't it. Sorry. Maybe I was wrong in thinking that, on a folk music forum, people wouldn't have heard of something so high profile. I made the erroneous assumption that we're all looking in the same place at the same time. On reflection - why would we be?
Didn't mean to cause offence.
Martin

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 03:49 PM

It's extremely hard to comprehend that anyone has managed to avoid the massive 24/7 publicity that the Imagined Village has generated over the past several years.
Especially as the song performed won Best Traditional Track at the Folk Awards only last week following the album's loudly trumpeted launch last year.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 03:36 PM

Martin Ellison

Is it a crime to hear of something for the first time?

S

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Ian Burdon
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 09:05 AM

An interview with Martin Carthy and Johnny Kalsi was recorded but not broadcast.

For those outside the UK it is on Youtube and also on the Imagined Village MySpace site - http://www.myspace.com/theimaginedvillage

Ian

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: KeithofChester
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 07:13 AM

Wogan played the Tina Turner version of that song as his first track on Valentine's Day.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 05:00 AM

Twerp.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 04:28 AM

Great stuff. There is a God!

What the fuck has God got to with it???

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 03:56 AM

Great stuff. There is a God! More please.
Also Great Stuff were The Paperboys on The Blackstaff Sessions (thanks for the heads-up Sooz). Beeb2 last Tuesday and still available on BBC i-Player.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 12:11 AM

I got blocked as the video is only available to those living in the UK. Is there a Youtube version? HelP!

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 12:03 AM

Martin Carthy was certainly there but lead vocals on Cold Haily Rainy Night were by someone looking remarkably like Chris Wood, with an assortment of Coppers backing. "Fronting" the performance was undoubtedly Johnny Kalsi of the Dhol Foundation. The Imagined Village is a Simon Emmerson project in the making for at least five years and which launched at WOMAD last year.

It's on the iPlayer for the next week and the song comes in at 19.10.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 11:37 PM

Is there a link? This is the group that includes Billy Bragg and Chris Wood, yes?

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 07:25 PM

And this is the first time you've heard of this?

Subject: Martin Carthy on Jools Holland 15th Feb
From: Girl Friday
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 07:07 PM

Interesting band on Later With Jools Holland last night. "The Imagined Village". Huge band, great sound - traditional folk music with attitude! Fronting the band? Martin and Eliza Carthy. Jools introduced the song as lasting 6.5 minutes. Sadly the usual attitude to Folk Music previously shown on the programme prevailed, they only got one song. Why no interview ?