BS: Life after November 4th, 2008

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,Voted anyway.
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 07:15 PM

I've been poor my entire adult life. Due to illness in my family, and later my own health problems, I have never earned more than $10,000 a year. I've lived in rat infested hovels with inadequate heat and ventilation for years; waited on food lines for meals that were so badly put together I was nauseaous for days; and been turned away from proper medical care for decades. Can't say a word about it to my middle class friends, they're too busy talking about the next trip to Hawaii and how many guitars they own. And besides, aren't we poor people kinda...whiny and to blame for our misfortune anyways?

The candidates who are running are running solely for the upper classes, the poor stay invisible.

I expect the rich to stay rich and the middle class to stay middle class. I expect that the one in five Americans who are poor will continue to live in fear and oppression every day of their lives.

Whoever is elected, it has little meaning for 20% of Americans.

For us, there will be no change.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 11:26 AM

MORE sex? It depends on whether it's encouraged, permitted or manditory!


(or aided & abetted)

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Amos
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 10:41 AM

MORE sex?? My God, woman!! Have you no conscience??????


;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:40 AM

Even tho there wasn't a more-sex campaign platform among the candidates, we were inspired to change our lives, anyway. So we'll be enacting OUR platform and hoping to spread that movement nationwide.

I encourage you all to do the same!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:29 AM

I expect the soft sounds of quacking trailing off in the distance as the lame duck drowns itself in history

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 08:23 AM

well, it's now 5th November here in Sydney (12.21 am) and I'm about to go to sleep. I am hoping to wake up to some VERY GOOD NEWS for the American people, and for the world!

good luck everyone, and good night!

freda

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:49 AM

"Well, the first thing I expect is the celebration of Guy Fawkes, the first and only person to enter Parliament with honest intentions, on the 5th November." - Richard Bridge

Now that I really liked, thanks RB.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:05 AM

Mee too. Mee too

Thanks for the thoughts guys.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:43 AM

I hope so too. Oh, I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 03:33 AM

whatever happens, it will be great to see the back of George Bush.

Bill's predictions were pretty much what happened in Australia when our government changed last year. The tension leading up to the election (in November 07) here was huge, and there was a lot of cynicism and pessimism that there would be no change. It was a great relief when the previous govt was finally kicked out - they had driven Australia down a very racist, ugly road.

Now we no longer have that intrusive, scare-mongering government of the few oppressing the many. we had some great changes, sudden closure of our offshore refugee jails, a long-overdue apology to Indigenous Australians, done very carefully and in consultation with Indigenous community reps, signed Kyoto, less punitive welfare measures,and a more articulate government.

it's good to have a Prime Minister with a brain on his head who speaks mandarin, and a Minister of Foreign Affairs who doesn't patronise our neighbours. Our Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for the Environment are very smart single women.
   
there is still a long way to go as the government is continuing an appalling intervention in the Northern territory (started by the previous mob), and is not moving fast enough on the environment. But it is a great improvement on the previous lot.

I hope you guys get a similar change in November 08.

freda

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:02 PM

"A withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan will not be "immediate.""

... can't see why not. They brought over a hell of a lot of material and manpower in a periiod of a month at the onslaught of the war. But that is the mentality of the military machine ... the logistics is not a much of a problem in starting the war ... but when it comes to withdrawing it's a different story. There might be a lot of scrap material left behind, but it would be cheaper than contuing the war month by month. I strongly feel it has to end, and end fast ... it has been the one issue that has divided the American people, the issue that has blemished the U.S. in eyes of the world, it is the number one issue in ruining the American economy and also the blood has to stop flowing.

infocyde ... it was one of the purposes in starting this thread ... just to have a stamp of the thoughts at this current time ... and to review as the year 2009 goes on into history. I also thought it would be good to get everyone's expectations ... rather than hearing the continuing election bickering.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:09 PM

What do I expect? God knows. I sure don't. Almost any of the above possibilities others have posted could happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM

A McCain win would send the market to the nether regions of 4500 to 5500, well below the expected low of 7500.

A McCain win would insure the Bush administration officails could go to Argentina or Bolivia without any fear of extradition.

A McCain win would make some of the last minute Bush pardons moot.

A McCain win would prove that the Rove system does work.

Fuel(hatred),
Undercut (weakness by accusing the other side first),
Campaign (doesn't matter) and
Korrect (votes)

Employ (liars)
Manage (the outrage)


Yeah unless Obama has a minimum 17% lead he wil not win the made for TV "election"

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,infocyde
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:39 PM

I think you should save this post, and just per chance that all this doesn't happen, maybe you should re-evaluate your politics after the next four years.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Amos
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:43 PM

PEter:

Do you believe the Democrats in Congress are more in the pay of large corporations than the predominantly Republican residents of the last eight years?

Seriously?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:20 PM

Our words, thoughts, and actions are very powerful. Please remember this when posting theories about what may come about, esp. the predictions of violence.

I am looking forward to an increase in the hope most folks will feel with Obama at the helm, as well as betterment of government and our lives all the way round.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:04 PM

A withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan will not be "immediate." Can't be, unless you have some secret insight into military withdrawals and logistics that no one else has and you're willing to take the casualties that a panic withdrawal would cause.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:09 PM

It would be nice if the troops where pulled out immediately ... and no shift for a surge in the Aghani.

The war (Iraq and the Afghani) is something that the U.S. cannot afford economically, in human life, and world opinion. It is the dark fog of war that that has smothered the U.S. for the last 8 years and polarized the population in an almost fanatical zeal. IMHO it has to end immediately, not in a year, not in 18 months. That is the expectation I would like to see. That the U.S. finds peace, not just outside it's borders, but also within.

Unfortuantley I think there could be a possiblility and a real concern what Richard Bridge posted. I certainly do not hope for this possible horrific outcome ... but it cannot be ignored.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 05:25 PM

" Congress will be controlled by Democrats (who are in the pay of the rich and the major corporations, and lie about it)"

That's a very silly generalization, Midchuck.... "in the pay of" is a serious accusation. If all you mean is that 'most' politicians have taken donations from various businesses, that's one thing. That by itself does not imply that corporations control votes they make in congress.

It has been well documented for years that different business interests support Democrats, and that the amount of influence they acquire is not in the same ballpark as what Republicans get. Should the entire system be overhauled? Sure.... but let's not paint everyone with the same broad brush.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:31 PM

No, I fear it, not wish for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:18 PM

Please don't wish that on us.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:16 PM

Well, the first thing I expect is the celebration of Guy Fawkes, the first and only person to enter Parliament with honest intentions, on the 5th November.

I expect Obama to win, and to survive that long with luck.

Then some NRA crazy will cut loose (not moose, loose) and maybe just maybe America will have the start of its second civil war.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:09 PM

But we have the inflation, (no interest rates because people can't get credit), oil shortages, high unemployment, shrinking economy, and an astronomical federal budget deficit now, under a Republican administration.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:57 PM

"four more years of essentially the same as what we've had for the last eight years."

Or four more years of what we had from 1977 to 1981.

Double-digit inflation, very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment, slow economic growth and a growing federal budget deficit.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:48 PM

If things turn out the way that I expect with an Obama victory, I beleive that there will be one heck of a lot of people who have "hope" and a small percentgae of people who will be very pissed off...

If McCain's people/lawyers steal the election then you can reverse the numbers...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:37 PM

Some people are going to be disappointed when they realise that Obama can't walk on water. But the real disappointment will be with the people who have become convinced that he'll be a disaster, when they find he's doing a pretty good job as president.

But touch wood. Nasty things can happen, and I don't just mean electoral upsets.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Midchuck
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:37 PM

Sorry, but I don't see much changing.

Assuming the Democrats mostly win, as looks to be the case now, Congress will be controlled by Democrats (who are in the pay of the rich and the major corporations, and lie about it), rather than by Republicans (who are in the pay of the rich and the major corporations, and brag about it).

Please refer to the first line of the chorus of Barrett's Privateers.

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Maryrrf
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM

There will be a lot of hard work, and things won't turn around overnight. But, I am enjoying the sensation that the tide in the country is turning, and after November 4th, when Obama is elected as it appears he will be, I think I will feel a great relief that finally we are coming out of this dark period in American history and pulling together as a nation to support social progress, compassionate government, and perhaps even to regain some of the respect we have lost in the world community. I've felt 'out of sync' with the prevailing mood in the USA for a long time. I'm looking forward to the change.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:50 AM

The world after the election, assuming an bama success, will be one row after another of hard work turning things around.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM

Well, *I* expect that most folks will discover, over time, that they feel just as 'safe' under a Democratic administration, but that the specter of government spying on them will fade away. They will continue to have freedom to practice the religion of their choice, but will not feel like religious doctrines and morals are being imposed on them.
   I think that they will eventually (after a year or two) feel that the Supreme Court can be trusted to be fair & reasonable instead of enhancing one political agenda.

   I think that almost immediately the rest of the world will begin trusting us again and respecting our basic intentions to try to help others in ways they NEED, rather than in ways WE think they need.

    I think that we will see a revision of the overall process OF the process of conducting elections to shorten & streamline the tedious process we have now...(I 'hope' that means no electoral college, but I won't hold my breath)


I'll have to think on other changes I expect.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:51 AM

Very good Carol .... I certainly hope so. Thanks.

Don't forget .... after November 4th, will have an impact on the world.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

Forgot to mention - that's what I see for the country if Obama gets elected. If McCain gets elected, I anticipate for more year of essentially the same as what we've had for the last eight years.

Subject: RE: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:33 AM

I anticipate something like a spring thaw. Tension that people have been holding in since 2000 will just melt away, and a dark, dark cloud that has been hanging over this country will dissipate.

I expect a huge surge in investments in green technology, which will make life better for everyone by drastically reducing the amount of money people have to spend on energy, and will fuel the new green economy, which I expect will make the computer related tech boom look puny in comparison. I expect this new economic boom to restore peoples' confidence in the market (but only with much stronger regulation in place).

I anticipate (very strong possibility) that the US will become more competitive in the global marketplace because workers will no longer have to rely on their employers for their health insurance.

I expect the world to open its arms to the US and welcome us back as good friends and good neighbors, when the US shows that it is willing to work with the world community rather than against it.

Subject: BS: Life after November 4th, 2008
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:13 AM

What are the expectations of life in the U.S. after November 4th?

Forget all the pre-election candidate jibes, arguments re: Joe the Plumber, or is Obama a socialist, or McCain's high school record or if Palin can really see Russia or not ... what do you expect in the future regarding the U.S. after November 4th. After all, that is what the election is all about.

I know one thing ... real estate on the Mudcat server's disk drives will take an extreme setback ... but then again, will it?

biLL