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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 26 Oct 08 - 10:50 AM Well, I certainly don't have any trouble dealing in facts. As far as the subject is concerned, I don't think she can keep the clothes--though we've since discovered the $150,000 price tag is greatly inflated--I think, as a candidate, she would have to give them to charity or use them for some non-profit venture, just as McCain has suggested. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 08 - 10:05 AM I don't suppose it would do any good to tell you to stick to the subject, or deal in facts, would it, Rig? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:52 AM "She ought to keep the clothes--when this is all over, she will have earned them, having done McCain's dirty work for all of these weeks." Somebody has to react to all the dirty work put out by the Obama campaign, but they're just now getting around to Obama's program to give Social Security to illegal aliens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 08 - 12:14 AM Though I've posted remarks and links on this thread, I realized just now catching up with it that I didn't state my position. As much as I think she's unqualified and an insult to the process, she has been put in a position where she has to dress the part. The news I read said that she is not rich and didn't have the income to purchase the clothes. She does look good in the garments selected, while she's in the spotlight I don't think anyone expects her to wear a schmata. There are plenty of other things about Sarah Palin that are objectionable; I couldn't care less about the clothes. She's a personality now, an entertainer of sorts. She has a costume budget. Big deal. She ought to keep the clothes--when this is all over, she will have earned them, having done McCain's dirty work for all of these weeks. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Alice Date: 26 Oct 08 - 12:02 AM I think Palin looks very classy in her new wardrobe. But she spoils that impression when she speaks. One reason I read that the campaign invested in expensive clothes for her was that they wanted her to look good next to Cindy McCain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Barry Finn Date: 25 Oct 08 - 11:49 PM Priceless, she looks like an ass. If MaCain & Obama buy their own outfits why doesn't she. Maybe cause she hasn't the brains or taste to pick them out herself Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Oct 08 - 08:28 AM The thought of seeing Margaret Thatcher wearing nothing but a iron glove is a revolting vision at best. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Mr Red Date: 25 Oct 08 - 06:41 AM Donating to charity does not preclude auctioning them off for same. I agree that there is no gender equality and that is lamentable, and the amounts do seem obscene. But that is how fickle voters are. Appearances! Maggie Thatcher only needed an iron glove and got votedin. How times have changed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Sawzaw Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:46 AM I betcha Bobert will be lookin to get a pair of her drawers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Emma B Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:17 PM well it's mighty strange that all the links to the 'story' don't work! It's a gag guys - like other ones - don't believe everything you see! As a joke it's funny as yet another smear - it's another smear! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:13 PM If they were true, they'd be worth gloating about, but coming from the DailyKos is like coming from the National Inquirer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:01 PM The scarf story, now that we have what seems to be the whole story, doesn't really say anything negative about Palin. She saw the red/white/blue colors and the "Vote" motif, liked it, and put in on. The repeat-print of the donkeys isn't really all that clearly noticable. What's most delightful about the story, to me, is considering the person who planted it on her. Not malicious or especially nasty, but highly imaginative. The huge clothing budget, plus the dedication of so much funding to aestheticians, now ~ those stories are worth repeating and gloating about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Bill D Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:35 PM I'm sure Palin & the McCain campaign have done nothing illegal in the clothes business.......but BOY the lack of political savvy about perceptions is appalling. They could have bought perfectly attractive outfits for a LOT less and avoided all the bad press. The scarf? *shrug*.... it's fun to think she was just too busy to notice a 'gift' was a Democratic symbol, but not particularly important. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:34 PM This just keeps getting better and better. I swear, a person couldn't make this shit up! Palin stylist draws higher pay than policy adviser |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:26 PM So, it's NOT a phony photoshop job ~ glad to hear it! What it really is, apparently, is a pretty clever bit of non-violent/humorous sabotage on the part of some anonymous private citizen ~ cool! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Wesley S Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:02 PM Link to story NEWSWEEK first spotted the devious designs draping the veep candidate on Getty Images' wire services in a series of photos taken by Max Whittaker, a Sacramento, Calif.-based freelancer. A brief Stumper post later, the photo was soon snapped up by hundreds of blogs, including Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo and Media Bistro. Much speculation about the donkey scarf was tossed about the Internets, most of it snark-laden. "Is Sarah Palin This Amazingly Stupid?" was the headline of the Kos post, while the Belfast Telegraph headline chided, "Donkey wrong: Sarah Palin wears 'Vote Democrat' scarf at Republican rally". We may never know why Palin wore that scarf -- the press office in the McCain campaign hasn't returned our calls -- but 11-year photojournalist Whittaker gives us his take on the story: The Reno event "went down like any other campaign rally," Whittaker says. Palin did not have a scarf on during her speech and wasn't wearing it "at least the first five or ten minutes of working the rope line" afterward. Whittaker worked his way through the post-speech crowd toward Palin and "shot her for about 5 minutes until she was out of my sight, and she had the scarf on the whole time." How did she get it? It's still unclear, but Whittaker notes that in the meet-and-greet-frenzy "it's pretty inconceivable that anything happened beyond someone in the crowd giving her this scarf. I can't see her suddenly pulling it out of her handbag in this rope line." When he went to shoot her a half-hour later for an interview with CNN, the scarf had disappeared, he said. That there were donkeys on the scarf never registered with Whittaker as he was transmitting his photos to Getty. "I didn't even notice it myself until you guys put it up," he says. "When I saw your blog, I was just like any typical reader who thought, 'That's pretty funny.'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Emma B Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:26 PM It's obviously a clever photoshop and quite a funny visual gag but - that's all it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Alice Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:19 PM The scarf also says Vote next to the donkey. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM "Donating Clothes to Charity" Cross dressers across the nation will be lining up to bid on them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:00 PM I doubt whether it does any good to buy haute couture second hand. That stuff needs to fit perfectly, and the curves of one female body are never going to be exactly the curves of another. Same for shoulder width, length from neck to waistline, and length of skirt - all things that make a garment fit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:56 AM Thanks for the link, Wesley. The photo is posted as part of a forum-type discussion. I had to scroll down a bit to find it, and as time goes on and the discussion continues, it will be necessary to scroll further and further, I would imagine. I'm glad someone else could dig this up. My cousin Dave is a pretty slick Photoshop operator, and after I sent this in, I began to fear he might have faked the picture. However, I was and am pretty confident that he would have said so if that were the case ~ he's basically honest, but more to the point, he would definitely have claimed credit if it were his handiwork! (I did not have a web address, just attachments ~ which can't be included in these compact little text-only Mudcat messages. I forwarded the email with attachments to Joe Offer and asked if he might help... Joe: you're off the hook now...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Wesley S Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:41 AM Here's a link |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:31 AM You'd better send a link to that, PoppaGator. Please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:25 AM I got an email from my cousin this morning: An outing to Macy's - $4,537. A shopping spree at Saks Fifth Avenue - $49,425. A visit to Neiman Marcus - $75,062. The purchase and appearance wearing a Democratic Party Scarf - Priceless His attachment was a jpeg of Sarah wearing a red-white-and-blue scarf around her neck printed in a pattern that featured the word "VOTE" -- along with a whole lot of DONKEYS. (Actually, he attached two jpegs of the same photo: the original, plus a closely-cropped closeup of the scarf.) Money don't buy brains, that's for sure! (Wish I could include the photo here. I may try some way to make it available.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Wesley S Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:07 AM If you ever need another pair of boots come to Ft Worth. The Justin Boot outlet center will give you a great deal on ropers for about $60.00. And western heels for a little more than that. I've given a ton of clothes away lately but I've just lost 40 pounds. I'm determined not to have my "fat" clothes around here as an option anymore. As soon as I find something that's too big - out it goes. No matter how much I like it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Alice Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:05 AM Remember Walter Mondale's white socks? Politicians in high profile have learned that in the TV lens, they will be scrutinized from head to toe. Like it or not, they have to invest in the "image" wardrobe, the polished hair cuts, the style that will not get them criticized like Mondale's white socks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Alice Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:02 AM Ferragamo shoes - McCain |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Rapparee Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:53 AM My mistake...possibly based on old data. Obama wears Hart, Schaffner and Marx suits that cost up to $1,500. McCain wear Marango(?) shoes that cost up to $520 a pair. I have a couple of suits; they cost about $200 each, but I don't wear them very often (funerals and when I have to give a speech, mostly). I think that my most expensive pair of shoes was $80, but I long ago decided on comfort over price or fashion. My cowboy boots cost about $100 and are quite comfortable (they're ropes, not riders). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM Rather than pitch the worn out clothes, toss them into a rag bag and find a thrift store that works with a rag contractor. They'll turn all of those threads into paper. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Wesley S Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:18 AM Yeah $300 isn't a lot for a nice suit but you're not going to find a $300 suit at Neimans. I used to work there. But if these clothes are donated to charity - what kind of handicap would a woman have if she showed up at a job interview dressed a lot nicer than the the person giving the interview? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Alice Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:16 AM My first thought on this is that auctioning anything Palin wore would bring in big bucks that can be donated. That red jacket that was on Saturday Night Live should draw lots of attention in an auction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Rapparee Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:10 AM Actually, I read somewhere where his suits cost about $300 and they ARE off-the-rack (hemmed and fitted by a store's tailor, but off-the-rack). Three hundred bucks isn't much for a decent light wool suit, either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: SINSULL Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:17 AM No one is worried about how much Obama's suits cost - and I can guarantee he does not buy them off the rack at Macy's. Palin needed a wardrobe to campaign. Who knows - maybe the Smithsonian will want them for a show of White House Wardrobes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: SINSULL Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:13 AM Actually there is a charity shop run by the Seventh Avenue garment district which offers free designer samples to woman on welfare who need suitable business clothes for work and interviews. The trick is to be the right size. But - yes, there is a place for Palin's clothes in a charity shop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:03 AM I've read that the RNC will have to be very careful or Palin will have to declare a huge amount on her taxes--even if she gives all the clothes back to the RNC. Any confirmation or denial of that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Oct 08 - 02:11 AM I paid $102 a few years back for a dessert set (6 bowls & a serving bowl) that went with my old dinner set (scanty remains of mum's & great-aunt's 1940/50's department store sets.) They were in the locked cupboard at my favourite charity shop where the good stuff is kept. Same shop has an annual sale of designer clothes that local (rich) folks donate, tho I don't buy these clothes - I buy from the shop's racks! Lots of the stuff I collect has come from charity shops & I have a few bogs of unwanted stuff ready to go to the shop next week. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Jack Campin Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM I work for a charity shop - books rather than clothing, but we take the same approach to both. The point of the operation is to raise money for the charity's work and to raise its public profile. And its remit is not "providing cheap goods for the indigent" - we've sold single items for a thousand pounds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: North/South Annie Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:02 PM Oxfam are currently giving a £5 Marks & Sparks voucher to anyone donating clothes with an item included from Marks & Sparks. I think its on amonthly basis ie vouchers expire at month end. Annie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: GUEST,Joy Bringer Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:01 PM I only wish I was there when she was casting them off ! Christ, now that is a real woman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Rapparee Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:50 PM I recently took several bags of clothes and shoes to Goodwill. If they want to auction them off, well, okay. The next batch goes to St. Vinny de Paul. Then the Sally Army. I try to rotate my donations. If a piece of clothing I no longer need can help another, I'll donate it. It it's simply worn out (holes, etc.) I'll pitch it. But I'd rather see it reused. I don't really give a good damn what Sarah Palin does with her cast-off clothing. Throw it to the audience, perhaps? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:46 PM "Saving up your money for a rainy day, Giving all your clothes to charity. Last night the wife said, "Oh boy, when you're dead You don't take nothing with you But your soul - think!" Christ you know it ain't easy, You know how hard it can be. The way things are going They're gonna crucify me." excerpt from the Ballad of John and Yoko |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM I heard a story on NPR a while back about the Goodwill folks who have sharp eyes for vintage and high-end clothes that are donated. Here is a story from a Minnesota CBS affiliate:
ST. LOUIS PARK, Minn. (WCCO) ¯ For most of us, the worse the economy gets the less shopping we do. But there's a store in St. Louis Park that's counting on people to buy designer clothes and handbags at some unexpected prices. Janet Arnold said she was tired of everything being more expensive. So she's looking for a deal anywhere she can get it. "I didn't know it existed. I knew there was the Goodwill in Hopkins," Arnold said. Then she found out about a different type of Goodwill store. When you walk inside you'll see chandeliers, designer clothes and name brand purses. There's certainly nothing to suggest this boutique is a non-profit. It's a Goodwill concept store. High-end artwork, designer men's and women's clothing and even like-new wedding dresses are collected from a few local Goodwill stores and brought to Second Debut. Kathy Cahlander, the manager of Second Debut, said people come here to find the right clothes for special occasions or job interviews. And the prices range from $20 up into the hundreds. Cahlander pointed at a suit that retails between $2500 to $3000 and at Second Debut it's prices is $238. "It isn't a consignment, it's a good cause store. It goes for good things," an employee tells a shopper. So if you buy new clothes, say for a job interview, you're funding Goodwill and Easter Seals as they help people with disabilities and other barriers to get jobs as well. And it's why shoppers like Arnold, even with the tough economy, are saying "I kind of felt bad that they didn't charge me more." If you want to get your hands on some second-hand designer digs you can also shop Goodwill online by clicking here. www.shopgoodwill.com SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM "In the UK clothes of the famous (or if you prefer, as so many seem to here, the 'infamous') are often sold at auction and raise considerable funds for various charities. " Not if you're Cherie Blair... her three figure designer suit sold at auction for less than £40... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:24 PM In any event, I don't think she could keep something that was worth that much money, could she? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: bubblyrat Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM Madame Palins outfits are not to be sniffed at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: GUEST,Joy Bringer Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:16 PM Be aware of scams. Some of the eastern Europeans are doing door collections for clothes and driving van loads home to sell and line their own pockets. Either drop your donation off at a respected High Street charity of a charity or contact and they will collect. Please ignore the cheap coloured bin liner bags with notes attached we will call tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:16 PM Yeah, there are some guys who'd pay a lot for one of Maggie Thatcher's old frocks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM Good point. An auction of Palin's outfits would probably draw the attention (and bids) of many folks, including opponents as well as supporters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: Emma B Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM I think you might find that there are more ways of donating clothes to charity then sending them to the Salvation Army. In the UK clothes of the famous (or if you prefer, as so many seem to here, the 'infamous') are often sold at auction and raise considerable funds for various charities. |
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Subject: BS: Donating Clothes to Charity From: PoppaGator Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:58 PM I can halfway-understand the need to expend some campaign funds on a female candidate's wardrobe in preparation for a long season of daily public appearances. For all our good intentions in regard to gender equality, it's sad but true that a man can show up in the same suit every day (or a suit that looks the same), maintain a rotation of clean white shirts and a couple of ties, and look respectable. It truly is different for a woman. I have no problem with the GOP spending their money on their Vice-Presidential candidiate's wardrobe. Now, if they're embarrassed about the amount that they spent, they should have thought about that before setting Sarah loose in the Minneapolis Nieman-Marcus with a no-limit expense account. But this bullshit about how it is somehow justified by "donating the clothes to charity" as soon as the campaign is over ~ I don't get it! The clothes purchased as part of a $150,000 shopping spree undoubtedly include a few outfits costing four figures or more apiece. Nothing remotely like that is likely to be of much value to any woman in circumstances that require her to turn to charitable insititutions to clothe herself and her family. Palin should just keep the damn stuff. If she actually becomes VP, she'll need to continue making good impressions upon the public, and upon foreign leaders and other major players as well. If she goes back to Alaska, she's still Governor and will have plenty of public appearances where she can show off her fancy duds. The fact is, she can use that stuff much better than any charity can. NO dress is worth more than about ten bucks to Goodwill or the Salvation Army, no matter whose name is on the label or what number was on the price tag when it was new. The recipients of donated clothing are in need of something to keep them warm, or at best, something presentable enough for a job interview. Wearing Sarah Palin's campaign castoffs is not going to help such women any more than wearing something from last year's Sears catalog. |
