BS: Harlequins v Arsenal

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 02:04 AM

this is where it leads

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 06:36 PM

Obviously, if the ref thought the man dived he wouldn't have awarded that penalty, and he'd have booked him. The question was whether that was a dive with him succeeding in deceiving the referee. After all, deceiving the referee is always the intention of any player making a dive.

Here it is on YouTube Looks like a dive to me.

If it is determined after the match that a player did deceive the referee into going a penalty, it is obviously too late to penalise this in the normal way, with a yellow or red card. Suspension is the only remaining way of penalising him.

"Lucky Arsenal" as they say.

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 04:40 PM

The reference to the Dylan song is not meant to equate the seriousness of the 'crime' but the failure to address it

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 01:48 PM

It's all media witch huntv and Hype. If the ref thought Eduardo dived, he would have been booked, no suspensions arise immediately from that sanction.uefa reacted hastily, and have now seen sense. And no, I'm not a Gooner. ( Arsenal supporter, colonials,)

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 08:37 AM

furthermore the player involved suffered a horrific injury,how long was the player who injured him banned for?.
for all sorts of decisions, soccer needs to have a third offical with tv slow replays,it will not slow the game up very much,certainly not in comparison with the time wasted on players feigned injuries

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 12:38 AM

The still pics distinctly seem to me to show the goalkeeper's hand in contact with Eduardo's heel. I can't [& couldn't watching the match at the time & listening to the commentators' comments] see any great evidence of diving, & am glad he won his appeal.
In any event, nobody has quite said he beat anyone to death with a walking-stick as Wm Zanzinger did to Poor Hattie Carroll; or even faked injury with a blood-capsule & scalpel like the Harlequin. BTW, does anyone know a brilliant SF story by Harland Ellison called "Repent Harlequin said the Tick-Tock Man" - not sure if this relevant but seems appropriate to mention it here.

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 04:19 PM

From the Daily Express today

Eduardo won his appeal against UEFA's two-game Champions League ban

"I'm very pleased that we have finally arrived at the truth" said Eduardo


Oh, but you who philosophise disgrace and criticise all fears,
Bury the rag deep in your face
For now's the time for your tears

Bob Dylan

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 06:22 AM

I agree.Arsenal are a very good team to watch,but diving is ruining the game,he should get a three match ban.another alterbastive is to have athird official and tv replay for all penalty decisions,and three matchban and heavy fine for guilty player and club.

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Paul Burke
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:57 PM

Simple sanctions could be applied to reduce cheating. For example, a player found to be diving from the videos should be made to play a full game wearing a diving suit. Maradona could have been made to play a game with his arms in his sleeves stitched to his sides.

My father was sent off just once in many games of rugby. His opponent in the scrum (he was a hooker: how many can say that of their father?) was persistently making niggling use of his fist and open hand out of sight of the ref. Dad finally had enough. He waited till the scrum broke up after the ref had asked them to re-form, then, in full sight of everyone, swung a punch that laid the offender out cold.

Subject: RE: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:39 PM

A significant difference is that when Eduardo took a dive he was acting as an individual, and there was no direct involvement by anyone else in the club. (Which doesn't mean there may not have been an indirect involvement through a pattern of tolerating and even encouraging this kind of cheating by players.)

The Harlequins foul was a lot more elaborate and was far more directly linked to the club as an organisation. The director evidently supplied the fake blood capsule and instructed the player to use it, and the club's doctor using a scalpel to produce a real wound in an attempt to cover up.

I think Dean Richards got off extremely lightly. A lifetime ban wuld have been quite appropriate.

Subject: BS: Harlequins v Arsenal
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 03:48 PM

Recently Harlequins rugby side faked an injury to a player using a 'blood capsule' to gain an unfair advantage in a European competition to allow a substitute on when it was not otherwise allowed

The resultant penalties have been -
The player involved has a four month ban
The club has been fined £259,000
The director of rugby, Dean Richards has been banned from coaching for three years
The physio has been banned for two years
Charles Jillings the director of the club has resigned

Earlier this week Arsenal forward Eduardo faked a foul by diving in the penalty area although he had not been touched and gained his side an advantage in a European competition - a penalty kick and a goal

The resultant penalties have been -
UEFA president Michel Platini has confirmed they will be looking at the incident and could take retrospective action against Eduardo - UEFA could ban him for up to two games when its disciplinary body meets on 1 September

Do they both have it right ?