Antiphon of Dec 21: O Oriens

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:21 AM

Bold Orion, Mighty Hunter
Rising in a clear cold sky
See the summer rise before him
Bold Orion on the rise...

This was sung to my children at one point, and Timmie (little wordsmith that he is) sings it "rising in a blood-warm sky" which I kinda like...

Anyway, just my TFThisparticularD

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: Okiemockbird
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 01:22 PM

RtS: Is O'Riens Irish Pub the place where the famous Irish conductor, Seigi O'Zawa, hangs out ? T.

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From:
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 12:18 AM

I think so, thanks again. Here are some arias from Bach's Magnificat which I suspect may be based in antiphons:

Quia fecit Mihi magna,
qui potens, qui potens est.
Et Sanctum Nomen eius

Deposuit potentes de sede
et exaltavit humiles

Best wishes ! - Andrés Magré

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 09:40 AM

Andrés, I'm not familiar with the J.S. Bach Magnificat, but I wouldn't be surprised if it incorporates plain-chant antiphons in some way. I vaguely recall that the Montaverdi Vespers does so.

Here is the antiphon for December 17, O Sapientia, which I neglected to post last Friday.

T.

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: Escamillo
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 01:00 AM

T, thanks for bringing these interesting music and comments. Neither me was really sure of what an Antiphon is. Having participated in Bach's Magnificat as soloist and in the choir, I wonder if some parts of that work could be called Antiphon, it's a detail I never asked for. It seems that Bach and Vivaldi and many others developed more elaborated pieces on the basis of the more traditional and elementary liturgic songs.
Yours, Andrés Magré (Buenos Aires, Argentina)

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:54 AM

Thanks T ......for the explanation. Sorry we cross posted while the Skiff and I were making bad jokes.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:52 AM

I'll tellya Skif, evidently we need to get into these things at the Young Center. Seems you mught not be able to just phon though and you'd have to be either fer it or agin it. Whaddaya think we should do?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: Okiemockbird
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:51 AM

'Spaw, welcome back. I missed you, too.

I wasn't planning to post an antiphon for every day. I just thought the Mudcat might appreciate the O-antiphons which are customary for the closing days of Advent.

Antiphon is pronounced approximately "Aunt-a-Fawn".

There are several ways of using antiphons. Personally I think the "O" antiphons work well as independent songs. But anyhow, I think the customary way is as follows: The cantor sings the antiphon. Everyone repeats it. Then the people on the Cantoris side of the church (I think this is the starbord side of the "Nave"--which means, literally, "ship"--but don't hold me to it) sing a verse of the psalm or canticle. Then the people on the other (Decani) side of the church sing another verse. Then everyone sings the antiphon or part of the antiphon. The song proceeds in that way until the end, when everyone joins together on the whole antiphon (even if only a part of it was sung between verses) one last time. So it's sort of a chorus or refrain for a psalm or canticle.

T.

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:42 AM

...and I thought O'Riens was an Irish bar!
What's wrong with Phon any way, why are we agin' it?
RtS

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:36 AM

There are several salient points to be made here:

1---I am an incredible dumbass with an IQ 3 points lower than a kumquat.

2---What the hell is an antiphon? I gather its an evening prayer/vesper kinda' thing...yeah?

3---If it is, I would be afraid to use the word for the same reason I don't order "gyros." So how do you pronounce it?

4---Are we now adding this to our "_________of the Day" stuff?

5---Its very nice, even to a confused dweeb.

6---Is there a prophon?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:35 AM

The words are so beautiful and their meaning so vivid and true- thanks, T in OK!

Subject: Antiphon of the Day: O Oriens
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:14 AM

The December 21 vespers antiphon at the Magnificat is O Oriens

T.

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O Oriens, splendor lucis aeternae, et sol justitiae: veni, et illumina sedentes in tenebris, et umbra mortis.

O Dawn, splendor of eternal light, and sun of justice, come, and shine on those, seated in darkness, and in the shadow of death.