BS: Symmetry and beyond

Subject: RE: BS: Symmetry and beyond
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 04:06 PM

just because one can show a correlation (if one thing goes up so does another) does not mean there is any causation.
La Mer as a fractal is interesting. I was playing with fractals and plugged in a random value and got a vague picture of an elephant.
symmetry is everywhere but is still rare in the non living world.

Subject: RE: BS: Symmetry and beyond
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 03:17 PM

Josiah Green's Symposium presentation at the Mystic Sea Music Festival was quite interesting. He spoke about mathematical relationships in Debussy's La Mer. Frankly, I found the concepts he presented nearly incomprehensible but it seems that others understood what he was saying, comparing the relationships he presented as similar to Mandelbrot equations.
The new field of ecomusicology which he is studying seems to be something we all seem to understand at some level but I also recall that in Statistics we were taught that correlation is not causation. This suggests to me that what we do instinctually may be expressible in mathematical terms but the expression is not necessarily a valid statement of causation.

Subject: BS: Symmetry and beyond
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 18 - 11:46 AM

Symmetry feels beautiful in all the rare forms we find it. In a face, in snowflakes, math fractals (I see a Buddha on its side in the Mandelbrot) and the near symmetries and broken symmetries in physics.

A touch of asymmetry seems enhance a feeling of beauty.

The near symmetries with enough asymmetry in music have a special beauty. Even ugly politics has some symmetry.

The strange point is that the universe eventually chooses a side. In biology it favors the left hand molecule for all life. In physics matter won out over anti matter. Reality is derived from dualities.

Who chooses between two possibilities? Some say god, some say random conservation of energy still others say QED .
The ability for humans to break symmetries is negligible. It is limited to things like life or death on this planet in its slow march toward high entropy.
I am biased. I have some self interest involved here and choose life.

Before a symmetry breaks the difference is nearly zero. Ah ha!
Nearly is the key. Even an individual can make a difference.
We live a quantum field entangled life. You get to choose even if you do not trust/believe in voting.
People of Mudcat, please choose beauty and life in 2020.
Say no to Putin.


and vote


there is much more to be said of symmetries in politics but others say it better.