Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 01:05 AM

I understand, MAG, violence against women infuriates me as well. In Bob's case, I do not regard him as a major offender in that sense, just someone who lost it on maybe one occasion. Bob has done enough wonderful things in his life that I can pardon him for that. It could happen to anyone. It's the repeat offenders who worry me. Jackson Browne hit his wife too, but I do not regard him as a monster. I have had two girlfriends I could happily have killed on the odd occasion, but fortunately I have very good self control...more so than many guys (and girls) I have known.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 12:33 PM

LH, Violence Against Women just happens to be one of my buttons.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 12:10 PM

Forever Young perhaps?

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 12:04 PM

He was so much older then, he's younger than that now.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 11:07 AM

Old? I saw Bob singing in The Wallflowers and he looks remarkably young.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 12:24 AM

We all really look old eventually, Lyle, unless we die young. Dylan could have died young...most of us are very glad that he did not. Wise civilizations honor their elders, but who would accuse this present civilization of being wise? Not I.

MAG - The show, to their credit, did not focus on a number of quite ugly things that were said and done by both Bob and Sara as their marriage fell apart, and they fought for custody of the children. These things happen. I think it best to judge not, unless you have an eager desire to be judged in similar measure...by someone else...at some time not of your own choosing.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: GUEST,Lyle
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 10:09 PM

What did I think?? I thought those folks really looked OLD!!!

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: DougR
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 07:37 PM

It did report that he and Sara had some "rocky' times but I don't recall them mentioning him (or her) throwing any blows. Little Hawk: thanks for your input. DougR

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:41 PM

Did they say anything about him once punching out Sara??? it's in the court records.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:35 PM

DougR - Dylan became a "leader" of the protest movement by default, not by intention. He simply wrote what he instinctively was inspired to write, and for a while that took him into social and political issues. Then the more personal issues in his own life began to come to the fore, and he wrote about those instead.

He never was comfortable with being made an icon or a leader, and clearly felt that the protest movement was using him for its own purposes...which it was. He didn't want to be used, so he distanced himself from singing those songs for quite some time.

He was also acutely aware of the hypocrisy of many of the protestors themselves. So was I at the time. I knew hundreds of people who had all the leftist opinions and jargon down pat, and all they were doing was being "cool", and probably trying to get laid (to put it somewhat crudely). I also knew some who were entirely sincere. Joan Baez was one of the latter, and I admire her for that. I was one of those too...I was serious about it and still am to this day.

Dylan has bitterly resisted the attempts of any number of people to use him for their own purposes...people such as: the recording industry, the new left, the religious right, the weathermen, the media (!!!), A.J. Weberman (whom Bob punched out one day for rooting through his garbage, and frightening his wife, Sara), and a host of other fools and fanatics who have projected their own illusory demons upon him.

Bob is his own man, period. And that is as it should be.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: DougR
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 01:40 PM

I was surprised that Dylan tried to distance himself from the protest movement though. I was older during that time and wasn't really into the folk scene then but I always thought he was one of the leaders of the protest movement.

DougR

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 12:42 PM

Hope they run it again soon.......I was camping. 'Nuff said.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 12:01 PM

I have to agree with you Doug, they did a pretty good job. Yeah they left a lot out, but they'd have needed another hour at least.

It was nice to hear Van Ronk and especially Happy Traum. I detect quite a bit of "history rewriting". I don't think some of those interviewed were as "laissez-faire" about Bobby's "transgressions" back in the sixties.

Also t'was nice to finally see who Jauques Levy was/is. I was certainly expecting someone a little more exotic.

As to Dylan's nastiness with the press..Can you imagine constantly being asked the assinine questions that he was peppered with? The Beatles "appeared" politer when they dealt with similar questions, but their sarcasm shone through as well.

Rick

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 11:49 AM

I thought on the whole it was very good and even-handed. Baez, as usual, refused to give them any info. She is very protective of Bob and of herself, which is entirely understandable. It was interesting to hear from Dave Van Ronk and Al Aronowitz. The guy from Rolling Stone had some excellent comments and insights.

I was surprised they didn't discuss the Traveling Wilburys. It would have been nice to hear from Springsteen, Patti Smith, Tom Petty, and Judy Collins...maybe another time.

It made Dylan's life entirely understandable and showed his human side in a warm and effective manner...I love the live footage from the press conference...he was clearly so sick of being asked the same old lame questions, but there was a really charming side to the man...that sudden little smile...very cool.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: bob jr
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 01:46 AM

it was ok but i was hoping to see suze or sara talk about bob but other wise it was pretty cool

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: DougR
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 01:06 AM

So, what did everyone think of the show? I thought it was pretty good myself.

DougR

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:49 PM

The naked truth is still taboo whenever it can be seen.

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:28 PM

Well the pressure's down the boss ain't here
He's gone north for a while...
Said that vanity got the best of him
But he sure left here in style
By the way that's a cute hat
And your smile's so hard to resist
What's a sweetheart like you doin' in a dump like this?

{~`

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:52 PM

Johhny's in the basement, mixin' up the medicine...

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:49 PM

hey i forgot ... but i'm watching "dont look back" right nowe

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 07:09 PM

Yes, indeed! I had the pleasure of playing harmonica on another person's rendition of "Jokerman" at the Lose Yer Shoes Folk and Blues festival today, and got to play "Dark Eyes" myself. I can hardly wait. Yay Bob!

Subject: RE: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: thosp
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 05:02 PM

thanks Steve --- i had wanted to see it and i did forget!

peace (Y) thosp

Subject: Reminder, Bob Dylan Biography tonight
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 04:56 PM

Just a reminder that A&E's Biography is featuring Bob Dylan tonight at 8:00, 10:00 and Midnight E.S.T.

It should be interesting.