Jelliroll Blues***

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Troll
Date: 19 May 01 - 10:28 PM

Thank you Stewie. Buddy Boldens Blues is another favorite of mine to sing.

troll

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Stewie
Date: 19 May 01 - 07:56 PM

kat, if you have RealPlayer, you can hear 'Winin' Boy' on this page - you will need to scroll down:

Winin' Boy

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Amos
Date: 19 May 01 - 07:46 PM

Dave van Ronk does a mean rendition of Winin' Boy. So do I for that kmatter. MmmmmmHMM!!!

A

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 May 01 - 07:35 PM

Oo-la-la, thanks, Troll. I'll dig out our Redbone album and see if it is on there. If not, you've given me enough, I am sure I can find a midi of it. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Troll
Date: 19 May 01 - 07:08 PM

Kat, look under Blues.
I'm a Winnin' boy. Don't deny my name.
I'm an winnin' boy. Don't deny my name. My name.
I'm a winnin' boy. Don't deny my name
I pick it up and shake it like a Stavin' Chain.
And I'm a winnin boy. Don't deny my name.
Momma, Momma, Momma, take a look at Sis.
Repeat twice
She's out there on the levee doin' the double twist,
And I'm a winnin' boy. Don't deny my name.
Sister, Sister, Sister, silly little sow.
Repeat twice
You're tryin' to be a bad girl and you don't know how,
And I'm a winnin' boy. Don't deny my name.
There may be other verses but these are the only ones I know. I honestly can't remember where I learned the song, but Leon Redbone has recorded it. Sorry but I don't recall which album it is on. It's also in a book called "Country Blues" but I don't own it.

troll

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 May 01 - 10:52 AM

I'll remind you of the old song, "It must be jelly, 'cause jam don't shake like that!"

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Stewie
Date: 19 May 01 - 01:48 AM

Paul Oliver sheds some light in his 'Screening the Blues':

The distinction between metaphor, euphemism and sexual terminology is therefore not easily determined. There is never any doubt that 'jelly' means sexual pleasure in Negro parlance and leads, by a complex of sexual associations to many extensions. 'Jelly bean' becomes a lover, 'jelly roll' coitus or, in some instances, ejaculation, and so 'jelly' becomes the semen, the rhythms of intercourse, the skill itself ... By extension, dough-rolling, biscuit-rolling, bread-baking and other baking terms have stemmed from the 'jelly' image to become in themselves widely understood terms of sexual significance. [Paul Oliver 'Screening the Blues' Da Capo 1968, pp 208-209].

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 May 01 - 12:53 AM

Wow, Troll. I just found a BUNCh of ragtime sites on google, with lots of Jelly Roll, Joplin and others, some fantastic midis, but not that one, YET! I will keep looking, though. I love ragtime. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Troll
Date: 19 May 01 - 12:24 AM

Ferdinand LaMenthe " Jelly Roll" Morton , pimp, pool hustler, piano player and song writer. Check out his "Winnin' Boy". Great song! A winding boy was one who greatly loved the ladies and they reciprocated.

troll

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 May 01 - 03:03 PM

LOL...thanks, Mark!! Oh my faded memory so like a faded rose....er, something poetic like that!**BG**

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Mark Clark
Date: 18 May 01 - 02:54 PM

Morton! Jelly Roll Morton. Claimed to be the inventor of jazz. Nobody bought that claim but he was definately a big influence.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 May 01 - 02:06 PM

And I thought a jelliroll was something people got around their middle from eating too many jelly-filled doughnuts! **BG**

I am pretty sure Roy Bookbinder has a song on his Bookeroo! tape which has to do with jellirolls, too. Isn't there a Jelly Roll Martin or something? Can't remember.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 18 May 01 - 01:58 PM

"Jelly, jelly, jelly--jelly on my mind (x2)
Jelly killed my daddy, ran my mama stone blind."

(Any 12-bar blues you want.)

"Dupre was a badman, he were brave and bold (x2)
He would do anything ..... for little Betty's jellyroll." (Spoken during turnaround: "She worked in a bakery." --"Betty and Dupre" CC

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Mark Clark
Date: 18 May 01 - 11:06 AM

Female singers refer to jelly roll as well. Was it Bessie Smith who sang "Jelly Roll Baker"?

Mr. Jelly Roll Baker won't you be my slave,
When Gabriel blows his trumpet I will rise from my grave,
For some of your sweet jelly roll,
He makes the best jelly roll in town,
That man bakes jelly roll with his damper down.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: wdyat12
Date: 18 May 01 - 10:49 AM

Eels love jellirolls too.

wdyat12

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From:
Date: 18 May 01 - 08:46 AM

Thanx for your answers - I had thought it might had been something to do with 'Getting Some!" - thanks again for your posts. Please check out the FREE mp3's at Rod's site, leave a message on the guestbook - hope you enjoy his material - I certainly do.

Mark http://www.rodgarfield.f9.co.uk

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Fortunato
Date: 18 May 01 - 08:33 AM

I forgot to mention that jellyrolls are not to be kept in the refrigerator, etc.

Fortunato

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Fortunato
Date: 18 May 01 - 08:31 AM

A Jelly Roll is a rolled cake and jelly and, some times, sugar creme confection. When I was a boy they were pink and white.

"Jelly Roll" is a double entendre as used in song lyrics, particularly the blues, and is frequently a euphemism for both the sex act ("I ain't had no jelly roll") and the female sexual organs ("My baby's got sweet jelly roll"). This from a male point of view, clearly. But I seem to recall but cannot identify an instance where a female singer used the phrase to represent the male sexual organ as well.

regards, Fortunato

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 18 May 01 - 08:08 AM

okthen is right. For more information on this you can visit this earlier thread: blues lyrics

Brian

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 May 01 - 07:55 AM

Just a guess, but translating from American to British, "jelly"="jam", so it must be "jam-roll", and everybody knows what that is. Still sounds like a euphemism!

Steve

Subject: RE: Jelliroll Blues***
From: okthen
Date: 18 May 01 - 06:06 AM

I believe this could be slang for a soft part of the female anatomy, however I could be wrong, but am sure you are asking in the right place.

cheers

bill

Subject: Jelliroll Blues***
From: GUEST,Mark
Date: 18 May 01 - 04:13 AM

I host a site at http://www.rodgarfield.f9.co.uk and one of Rod's songs is Jelliroll blues, does anybody know what a Jelliroll is - I keep meaning to ask Rod, but hes is away at the moment. - Check the site for a 4min medley from Rod's 'Blowin' His Stack' CD featuring Jimi Hocking.