BS: HTML Characters

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 07:52 PM


WYSIWYG

Glad to help.

Now, the seven other mysteries I've uncovered while I was looking at this are going to keep me busy for a while.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 07:49 PM

• And the text looks quite nice running on from the bulletttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...........
• And on......................................

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 07:46 PM

And yes, it does read in Netscape and IE.

Hooray!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 07:44 PM

John,

• Either I am learning something about all this, or your last message was especially cogent. It was just at my level (pond goum!).

• In any event, I sure appreciate the help.

• This is going to make a huge amount of text, and information, actually usable.

• Without this help on the bullets, a lot of work going into this project would have been almost wasted.

• So thanks again!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 06:47 PM


The semicolon is part of the code

A character code always starts with &

If the character is "named" the name follows

If the character doesn't have a name, the next thing is a # (called a "pound" or "number sign" by amateurs, but the techies refer to it as a "hash" or a "splat"). This says "number coming"

Next comes the number

The code always ends with a semicolon - tells the viewer that you've finished that piece of code.

Try using the character number 149. Code it as:

•

It should show up in both viewers, and will make life simpler if you decide to edit things later.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 06:39 PM

IE read it right, but Netscape is not reading &bull as a bullet. Darn!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 06:37 PM

• I tried &bull it before and it didn't work. Maybe I didn't realize that the semicolon wass part of the code, not your punctuation!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 05:27 PM


If it's easier, and you want to use the 8226 character, you can code it as • - •.

It is a little more prominent than the "text" bullet • - • on most viewers, but it is sort of "one-way" since once you put the 8226 in you can't find it with Word Find.

Charge on!

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 05:04 PM

They call me a motormouse because I come up with crazy ways to get things done when I am converting or formatting, without really knowing the right way. (When I was using Windows 95 with a slow processor I used to lcok upo the system all the time, as I sped around clicking madly.)

The fastest thing for me to do is going to be to save the documents as text, then take the asterisk that the middot bullet has become, and find-replace the asterisk with & # 8 2 2 6 ;
and paste the docs in from there.

Thanks!!!!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 05:01 PM

• Whahoo, I can see it in Explorer!

• Whahoo, I can see it in Netscape!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 04:59 PM

• John, I'm still trying to get my brain arond yours-- the problem is mine is too little to stretch that big! *G*

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 04:55 PM

WYSIWYG

This is lengthy, but there is a hint at the bottom.

The ♦ symbol is one that doesn't print (for me) direct from the web. It will print if I paste into Word first - but I'd suggest another marker.

If I copy your first post (29-Oct-01 - 12:09 PM) and paste it into Word, I can search and find the little dots.

If you open "Find" in Word, Make sure "NumLock" is turned on, and Hold Down ALT while you type "0183" on the Number Pad, you should see the little dot appear in the "Find What" box. If you click "Find Next" Word should find your little dots.

Middle-Dot, ASCII character Number 183, html code · - Word can find this one in your document.

Problem ? - you are using a portable and don't have a separate Number Pad?

On most portables, the "Number Pad" is buried in the main keyboard. You turn it on using the NumLock key, which is usually somewhere at the far top right of the keyboard. Usually, the NumLock and ScrolLock are combined on one key, so you get ScrollLock if you just press the key, and NumLock if you hold down the SHIFT while pressing the key. (That's how mine works, but ????)

In Word, try holding SHIFT while you press the NUMLOCK/SCROLL-LK key. You should see some sort of indication on the status display, probably looking like a little padlock. Try typing "jkl" and if the screen shows "123" you're in NumLock mode. Now, in NUMLOCK mode, type "mj8l" and 0183 should show on the screen. If that works, hold down the ALT key while you type "mj8l" and the little middle-dot should appear on the screen.

Your portable should have little numbers on the front of the keys, so you don't have to guess which ones to use.

You can enter any character whose "number value" is anything up to 255 this way. For example, in NUMLOCK, with ALT held down, typing 065 should give you the letter "A".

ON A PORTABLE: DON'T FORGET TO TURN NUMLOCK OFF before you start typing something else.

My suspicion is that, in your original document, you went to the Symbol font and selected a great big fat "bullet." Unfortunately, without additional coding, all that got to the html document was:

"the character whose numerical value is 183."

In most normal text fonts, that character is the middle-dot, so that's what we saw.

Most text fonts have a perfectly acceptable bullet, but it's number value is 149.

You can put a good bullet into a Word document by:
NumLock ON
Hold down ALT
Type 0149 - or "mju9" if you're on a portable.

In Word, before pasting to this post (watch it mess with me): • • •

You can "code" the text bullet in an html post as "•" although it should come across okay if you just "type" it with the ALT-NUMPAD method. (Note: Word sometimes gets confused if you don't start with the leading zero.)


If you wanted to change the middle-dots in your original post to "text bullets" you should be able - in Word - to do a "Find and Replace" with the middle-dot in the "Find" box and the "text bullet" in the "Replace With" box.

Word offers another option:

You can enter the characters in the search/replace boxes with the ALT-NUMPAD method, or you can just type in "^0nnn". Word recognizes this as "find a character whose ASCII/ANSI number value is 'nnn'". (Note again, that the first character after the caret must be a zero, and this only works up to 255 for the number.)

If you ask Word to find ^0183 it should find your middle dots. If you ask Word to replace them with ^0149 you should end up with bullets.

HTML provides names for a couple of hundred characters, to make them easier to remember. These names are defined in the HTML Spec(s), but you should remember that they are just a shorthand. The characters are "defined" elsewhere by a "number value."

The little dot that you got in your first post has the html shorthand "name" · and has number value 183.

The official html "bullet," which you can code as • has number value 8226. You can also "code" it as • or by the "same number in hex" as •. Unfortunately, if you copy this character from a web page, Word doesn't "recognize" it very well. If it copies and pastes with its "real" number value, there is no easy way to "find" it in Word, and it appears(?) that in some cases, Word may substitute another "number value."

I'm still trying to get my brain around this one.


In your post at 31-Oct-01 - 06:57 PM you apparently used the "List" function - sort of.
You probably noticed that if you copy and paste to Word, the bullet ain't there.

The "List" functions in html apparently work something like the "list" functions in Word. The "bullet" is part of the "format" and is not part of the text so you can't search for the bullet (or number if you use that kind of list) even in Word when you've just created them

Word includes a "numbered list" or "unnumbered list" format as a clicky on the top tool bar, but I have found these troublesome to use.

When you "apply" numbered list formatting, Word uses some sort of arcane hypertext device to indent the list, and add a "symbol" for the numbers (or bullets for unnumbered list). You cannot "select" either the numbers or bullets to edit them. (Try this in Word to see how it doesn't work). You cannot search and find these numbers or bullets, partly because they are "outside" the text - search can't select them either, - and partly because they are "mapped" to "real symbols" - to use "Wordspeak."

With (a copy of) your original document in Word:

Alt-E, E, ^0183, Tab, ^0149, ALT-A (Don't type the commas, of course)

Should replace all the little dots with bigger dots.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 10:34 AM

That diamond displays in IE but not in Netscape 4.78.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:36 AM

So what am I doing wrong?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:24 AM

♦ OK

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:17 AM

<&diams> OK

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:12 AM

&diams OK

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: MudGuard
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 03:22 AM

WYSIWYG, this is definitely wrong.

HTML standard allows LI elements only in UL or OL elements. Look at the Document Type Definition for HTML and search for LI as a whole word.

You will find exactly four occurences:

1. where LI is declared as sole content of UL
2. where LI is declared as sole content of OL
3. where LI is defined
4. where the attributes of LI are defined

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:58 PM

LI does not need UL on or UL off. So the text wraps instead of hanging-- I can do this much!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:57 PM

Duh!

Dubble-duh!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:54 PM

Sigh....

What can I use instead of & d e g that will work, in a find/replace?

"Find" is not working on bullets either-- they do not copy & paste. I have to make them asterisks first, by saving as text and then making it back into fonts that allow the asterisk to be found.

Unless I can solve this, it will be either asterisk or that hollow bullet. Which one looks better-- most readable?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:51 PM

Although earlier uses of the terms "gospel hymn" and "gospel song" can be found, their use in referring to this body of song can be traced to:
‡ P. P. Bliss's Gospel Songs (1874) and
‡ Gospel Hymns and Sacred Songs (1875) by Bliss and Ira D. Sankey.

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:50 PM

So how come & d e g works and & b u l l does not? (without those spaces of course)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:49 PM

Gospel hymnody may be viewed as the culmination of various musical, social, and religious developments of the 19th century. It was foreshadowed in such collections as:
&bull The Christian Lyre (1831),

a compilation containing spirituals, traditional hymn tunes and texts, and newly composed religious poems set to popular melodies from both Europe and the USA, in a melange that is a compromise between the exuberance of the camp-meeting spiritual and the more "respectable" hymn style of composers like:
&bull Lowell Mason and
&bull Thomas Hastings.

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:47 PM

After the Civil War, secular song styles impinged ever more strongly on the hymns: the gospel songs of:
° John R. Sweney

are hardly distinguishable musically from parlor songs of the mid-19th century, and such hymns as:
° William James Kirkpatrick's Jesus saves (1882)

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:46 PM

Mary had a little plane,
And in it she would frisk.
But when she flew it upside down,
Her little *

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:42 PM

Using alt 0149 I got:

Although earlier uses of the terms "gospel hymn" and "gospel song" can be found, their use in referring to this body of song can be traced to:
· • P. P. Bliss's Gospel Songs (1874) and
· • Gospel Hymns and Sacred Songs (1875) by Bliss and Ira D. Sankey.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:33 PM

The Modern Urban Revivalism Era, 1930-80
Publications of the Modern Urban Revivalism, Era, 1930-80
Settings and Media of the Modern Urban Revivalism Era, 1930-80
Gospel Music and the Popular Commercial Tradition
Early Performance Styles
Performance Styles in the 20th Century
The Carter Family
Performance Styles and Strains of White and Black Gospel





Introduction: White Gospel Music

Gospel music. A large body of American religious song with texts that reflect aspects of the personal religious experience of Protestant evangelical groups, both white and black.

Such songs first appeared in religious revivals during the 1850s but they are more closely associated with the urban revivalism that arose in the last third of the 19th century. Gospel music has gained a place in the hymnals of most American Protestants and, through missionary activity, has spread to churches on every continent.

By the middle of the 20th century it had also become a distinct category of popular song, independent of religious association, with its own supporting publishing and recording firms, and performers appearing in concerts.

Although earlier uses of the terms "gospel hymn" and "gospel song" can be found, their use in referring to this body of song can be traced to:
* P. P. Bliss's Gospel Songs (1874) and
* Gospel Hymns and Sacred Songs (1875) by Bliss and Ira D. Sankey.

[There is a body of music known as Black Gospel Music and another body of music known as White Gospel Music. The following material focuses on White Gospel Music.]


Gospel Hymnody and American Revivalism
Gospel hymnody may be viewed as the culmination of various musical, social, and religious developments of the 19th century. It was foreshadowed in such collections as:
* The Christian Lyre (1831),

a compilation containing spirituals, traditional hymn tunes and texts, and newly composed religious poems set to popular melodies from both Europe and the USA, in a melange that is a compromise between the exuberance of the camp-meeting spiritual and the more "respectable" hymn style of composers like:
* Lowell Mason and
* Thomas Hastings.

They in turn were influenced by the emerging popular hymn tradition:
* Mason's "Harwell" (1840, to the text "Hark, ten thousand harps and voices"),
for example, has I-IVV harmonies, frequent dotted rhythms, and a recurrent refrain.

Gospel hymnody also drew ideas from popular secular song, such as that of the Civil War era.

George F. Root, composer of popular Civil War songs, also composed sacred music in the gospel hymn idiom: his:
* Tramp, tramp, tramp, the boys are marching in fact provided the music for
* Jesus loves the little children, a Sunday-school hymn still in use.

Another influence upon gospel hymnody was the rise of evangelistic singers.

Philip Phillips, perhaps the first such singer to receive international acclaim, appeared in several thousand "services of sacred song" from the late 1860s, including an extensive tour described in his:
* Song Pilgrimage Around and Throughout the World (1882).

The appearance of gospel hymnody was thus more the culmination of earlier developments than the appearance of a new idiom.

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: Wolfgang
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 01:14 PM

α

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 12:53 PM


WYS:

If you just want to replace your bitty dots with a bigun, you can use • - ASCI value 149, which is a bigger bullet contained in most of the standard fonts.

In word, Edit-Find (or Ctrl-F) copy one of your little bullets (Ctrl-C) and paste it (Ctrl-V) into the find box. See if Word can find one, by clicking Find Next.

If that works, you can go to Edit-Replace ( or Ctrl-E, E) copy one of your little bullets (Ctrl-C) and paste it (Ctrl-V) into the find box. Then make sure "NumLock" is on, put your cursor in the Replace With box, hold down the Alt key while you type 0149 on the number pad. You should get a perfectly good bullet.

Do a "Find Next," and if it finds a little bullet, click replace. If it all works, you can hit Replace All.

The ASCII #0149 bullet is in the "standard keyboard" characters area - and is legal in html "by inheritance." It's not listed in the spec, since they chose to use a different number for the &bull; character, but there is no reason you can't "type it" into your document - other than it ain't on the keyboard.

Or - as they say:

Mary had a little car
She drove it very brisk.
But Mary didn't care because
She only had her *

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 12:39 PM

Maybe I will use good old bold asterisk. *G*

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 12:37 PM

Or I can replace the bullet in Word with ‡, and skip the UL step? Then I get bigger bullets, even if they aren't hanging bullets?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 11:53 AM

WYSIWYG
My O'Reilly HTML Handbook says you don't have to "end" the <LI> tags. They work like paragraphs - the next <LI> tells the viewer that the previous one has ended.

You should be able to just replace each middot with <LI> - global replace would work for that.

You will have to go in and add the <UL> and </UL> tags at the beginning and end of each list.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 10:37 AM

Guys, my problem is that I have 4 threads' worth of text to post, all of which is rife with bullets, and I do want to keep them in-- without them the text was just unreadable as running paragraphs. I need to be able to do a search and replace if I am going to use other than what the old word processor displayed. If I use LI, don't I have to cancel that command at the end of each line it's used in, or can I just find/replace?

This is good stuff, just about ready to input, so please help!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 09:34 PM


Snuffy:

Good one! I should have thought of that one. - I'm putting it in my file of things to remember.

The nice thing about using the list function is that it takes care of "outdenting" the bullet/number, so that (at least on my viewer) if the text wraps it lines up under the start of the text line.
It's a lot neater than trying to force a break with a <br> and then figuring out how many &nbsp;s to push it out with.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: Snuffy
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 09:04 AM

If you want bullets, then an unordered list is often good. Put <UL> at the start, </UL> at the end of the list and <LI> before each item. If you put OL instead of UL it numbers them automatically instead.

The category "white spiritual" includes:

• the folk hymn,
• the religious ballad, and
• the camp-meeting spiritual, which is the counterpart of the black spiritual and shares with it certain musical elements, symbolism, and probably (in part, at least) a common origin.

The category "white spiritual" includes:

1. the folk hymn,
2. the religious ballad, and
3. the camp-meeting spiritual, which is the counterpart of the black spiritual and shares with it certain musical elements, symbolism, and probably (in part, at least) a common origin.

Now watch this not work!

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 04:04 AM


WYSIWYG

Of course I meant to say " &#135; " above.

I've run the first 13,000 possible character numbers through my IE5 viewer, and there are about 950 characters (compared to about 250 in the html spec) that display, and could probably be considered "postable."

Unfortunately, none of them do anything useful for mudcat that the basic ones don't do.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 03:46 AM


WYSIWYG

The three little dots show on my IE5, although they're pretty small. It looks like you've used the *amp;#135; "middle dot" which can also be posted as &middot;.

If you wan't a more impressive one, just say &bull; (or &#8225;) to get •.

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Oct 01 - 12:09 PM

My goodness, John, whatta work!

Is there anyone whose browser does NOT see three little bullets in the following?

The category "white spiritual" includes:
· the folk hymn,
· the religious ballad, and
· the camp-meeting spiritual, which is the counterpart of the black spiritual and shares with it certain musical elements, symbolism, and probably (in part, at least) a common origin.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters-Practice Thread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Oct 01 - 10:04 AM


The garbage that resulted when I tried to post tables above has been cleaned up, sorted out, and successfully posted at HTML CHARACTERS REDACT/REDUX.

I would suggest that this thread be considered another HTML Practice Thread. Hopefully the clones will delete it soon.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:29 PM

Tiger

You gotta wrap all the way around and make your pinky look like a ";" on the end.

It would have been clearer, but I mangled my global replacements in Word, and got data contaminumination. Had to stop until I can get undiscomfiturated.

But when I put "characters" in the title, I was sure the first question I got would be "where's Spaw?"

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: Tiger
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 07:19 AM

John.....I'm having a little trouble with that &#8734 chord.....is that thumb over the top?

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:19 AM

Global mass replace formatting is failing me.
Posting suspended pending rework of the tables.

Dicho: the character you are looking for is not included in "approved" html spec inventory.

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:15 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	∏	∏	∏	∏		Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	∑	∑	∑	∑
	−	−	−	−
	∗	∗	∗	∗
	√	√	√	√
	∝	∝	∝	∝
	∞	∞	∞	∞
	∠	∠	∠	∠
	∧	∧	∧	∧
	∨	∨	∨	∨
	∩	∩	∩	∩
	∪	∪	∪	∪
	∫	∫	∫	∫
	∴	∴	∴	∴
	∼	∼	∼	∼
	≅	≅	≅	≅
	≈	≈	≈	≈
	≠	≠	≠	≠
	≡	≡	≡	≡
	≤	≤	≤	≤
	≥	≥	≥	≥

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:13 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	™	™	™	™		Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	ℵ	ℵ	ℵ	ℵ
	←	←	←	←
	↑	↑	↑	↑
	→	→	→	→
	↓	↓	↓	↓
	↔	↔	↔	↔
	↵	↵	↵	↵
	⇐	⇐	⇐	⇐
	⇑	⇑	⇑	⇑
	⇒	⇒	⇒	⇒
	⇓	⇓	⇓	⇓
	⇔	⇔	⇔	⇔
	∀	∀	∀	∀
	∂	∂	∂	∂
	∃	∃	∃	∃
	∅	∅	∅	∅
	∇	∇	∇	∇
	∈	∈	∈	∈
	∉	∉	∉	∉
	∋	∋	∋	∋

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:11 AM

Repost of previous: In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	ρ	ρ	ρ	ρ

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:08 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	ρ	ρ	ρ	ρ

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:07 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	Υ	Υ	Υ	Υ
	Φ	Φ	Φ	Φ
	Χ	Χ	Χ	&Cji;
	Ψ	Ψ	Ψ	Ψ
	Ω	Ω	Ω	Ω
	α	α	α	α
	β	β	β	β
	γ	γ	γ	γ
	δ	δ	δ	δ
	ε	ε	ε	ε
	ζ	ζ	ζ	ζ
	η	η	η	η
	θ	θ	θ	θ
	ι	ι	ι	ι
	κ	κ	κ	κ
	λ	λ	λ	λ
	μ	μ	μ	μ
	ν	ν	ν	ν
	ξ	ξ	ξ	ξ
	ο	ο	ο	ο
	π	π	π	π

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:06 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ¶24.3 Symbol characters

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	ƒ	ƒ	ƒ	ƒ
	Α	Α	Α	Α
	Β	Β	Β	Β
	Γ	Γ	Γ	Γ
	Δ	Δ	Δ	Δ
	Ε	Ε	Ε	Ε
	Ζ	Ζ	Ζ	Ζ
	Η	Η	Η	Η
	Θ	Θ	Θ	Θ
	Ι	Ι	Ι	Ι
	Κ	Κ	Κ	Κ
	Λ	Λ	Λ	Λ
	Μ	Μ	Μ	Μ
	Ν	Ν	Ν	Ν
	Ξ	Ξ	Ξ	Ξ
	Ο	Ο	Ο	Ο
	Π	Π	Π	Π
	Ρ	Ρ	Ρ	Ρ
	Σ	Σ	Σ	Σ
	Τ	Τ	Τ	Τ

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:05 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ∥ 24.2 Latin1 characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	ì	ì	ì	ì
	í	í	í	í
	î	î	î	î
	ï	ï	ï	ï
	ð	ð	ð	ð
	ñ	ñ	ñ	ñ
	ò	ò	ò	ò
	ó	ó	ó	ó
	ô	ô	ô	ô
	õ	õ	õ	õ
	ö	ö	ö	ö
	÷	÷	÷	÷
	ø	ø	ø	ø
	ù	ù	ù	ù
	ú	ú	ú	ú
	û	û	û	û
	ü	ü	ü	ü
	ý	ý	ý	ý
	þ	þ	þ	þ
	ÿ	ÿ	ÿ	ÿ

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:03 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ∥ 24.2 Latin1 characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	Ù	Ù	Ù	Ù
	Ú	Ú	Ú	Ú
	Û	Û	Û	Û
	Ü	Ü	Ü	Ü
	Ý	Ý	Ý	Ý
	Þ	Þ	Þ	Þ
	ß	ß	ß	ß
	à	à	à	à
	á	á	á	á
	â	â	â	â
	ã	ã	ã	ã
	ä	ä	ä	ä
	å	å	å	å
	æ	æ	æ	æ
	ç	ç	ç	ç
	è	è	è	è
	é	é	é	é
	ê	ê	ê	ê
	ë	ë	ë	ë

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:02 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ∥ 24.2 Latin1 characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	Æ	Æ	Æ	Æ
	Ç	Ç	Ç	&Ccedil#059;
	È	È	È	È
	É	É	É	É
	Ê	Ê	Ê	Ê
	Ë	Ë	Ë	Ë
	Ì	Ì	Ì	Ì
	Í	Í	Í	Í
	Î	Î	Î	Î
	Ï	Ï	Ï	Ï
	Ð	Ð	Ð	Ð
	Ñ	Ñ	Ñ	Ñ
	Ò	Ò	Ò	Ò
	Ó	Ó	Ó	Ó
	Ô	Ô	Ô	Ô
	Õ	Õ	Õ	Õ
	Ö	Ö	Ö	Ö
	×	×	×	×
	Ø	Ø	Ø	Ø

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 12:59 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ∥ 24.2 Latin1 characters (Continued)

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
	³	³	³	³
	´	´	´	´
	µ	µ	µ	µ
	¶	¶	¶	¶
	·	·	·	·
	¸	¸	¸	¸
	¹	¹	¹	¹
	º	º	º	º
	»	»	»	»
	¼	¼	¼	¼
	½	½	½	½
	¾	¾	¾	¾
	¿	¿	¿	¿
	À	À	À	À
	Á	Á	Á	Á
	Â	Â	Â	Â
	Ã	Ã	Ã	Ã
	Ä	Ä	Ä	Ä
	Å	Å	Å	Å

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 12:58 AM

In my test postings, the following characters displayed correctly


HTML 4.0 ∥ 24.2 Latin1 characters

	Character	Decimal	Hex	Name
		 	 	 
	¡	¡	¡	¡
	¢	¢	¢	¢
	£	£	£	£
	¤	¤	¤	¤
	¥	¥	¥	¥
	¦	¦	¦	¦
	§	§	§	§
	¨	¨	¨	¨
	©	©	©	©
	ª	ª	ª	ª
	«	«	«	«
	¬	¬	¬	¬
	­	­	­	­
	®	®	®	®
	¯	¯	¯	¯
	°	°	°	°
	±	±	±	±
	²	²	²	²

John

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 12:57 AM

Still looking for characters A and a with line (macron?) on top. I have them in Word, but would like Html chars.

Subject: RE: BS: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 12:55 AM


WHAT YOU CAN TYPE:

All Latin1 characters display and print as expected.
This group includes all normal "English - US" keyboard characters.
(The soft hyphen does not show a result if typed alone, but this is the intended behavior.)

Three normal keyboard characters have special meanings in html, and should always be coded.
These three are:

& for which you can type &amp; to display the character.
< for which you type &lt; to display the character.
> for which you type &gt; to display the character.

A fourth normal keyboard character, ", can have special meaning.
It may normally be simply typed in text, but you may prefer to code it as &quot; to avoid those rare instances when it "misbehaves."

If you are using a wordprocessor that "autocorrects" to put things like "curly quotes" in, the characters used will probably be in the ASCII range between 130 and 159. These characters are not defined in the html standard, but mudcat displays them (generally) as you expect. If I select an area in a thread and "print selection," two of these "extended ASCII" characters, the upper and lower case "Z caron" do not print correctly. If I copy the selection and paste it into Word first, all of these characters print as displayed.

In the Symbol character set, a number of characters fail to display. These are generally math symbols, for which I would not forsee much use on mudcat. There are "look-alikes" for most of the useful ones elsewhere in the character sets.

I have listed only the "decimal" code, and the codename (name entity) below.

John

Subject: HTML Characters
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 12:52 AM


Results to follow are from postings at and following TESTS in thread HTML test thread 2 - please ignore

I have posted to the above thread, I think, every character identified in the W3C Committee HTML 4.01 Specification . Purpose of these postings was simply to see which characters work on mudcat, and which do not.

For information on characters in general (especially how the unprintables should look), see Unicode, or consult the Online Unicode Handbook. Note that the Unicode charts are in order by the HEX entity number

Results were obtained using the English-US keyboard setup in Microsoft Word97 to prepare inputs, with Internet Explorer to view the results. Print results mentioned are with Windows 98/2000 default fonts, plus several additional, on an HP LaserJet 1200 in PostScript mode.

John