What type of dance did Maggie Lauder dance

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 15 Mar 02 - 09:37 AM

use my email if it helps boatbandatcwctvnet

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: bfolkemer
Date: 15 Mar 02 - 09:29 AM

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the background material--I really enjoy researching all that stuff, and its great to have so much help!

Yes, I know that the text refers to "horizontal dancing," but I think it's fun play with the two layers of meaning and add a fiddle or whilste tune.

Greg, thank you for your kind offer of the hard copy of the tunes by the same name. As soon as I figure out how to send personal message (I've posted to the help thread) I will send you my postal address.

Beth

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 03:39 PM

A case where the meaning of 'bobbing' is much clearer (bobing in bed) is in 'The Edinburgh Ramble' (about the same date as the later "Maggie Lauder") in Scarce Songs 1 at www.erols.com/olsonw

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 03:16 PM

Sounds like mah kindo dance.It gives"Lord of the Dance"new meaning. ljc

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 02:23 PM

The dance she does is sometimes called 'horizontal folk dancing'. The later "Maggie Lauder" is a very clever double entendre description of a sexual encounter between Maggie and the piper. Don't take bags, drone, and bobb'd literally.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 02:07 PM

This may be a wacky answer to the original question, but why shouldnt she dance to her own tune? moggy Lawder(or Lowther) has a long history as a fiddle tune. Send me your address as a PM and I'll gladly send you a very nice setof fiddle variations on the tune from an old fiddler's tunebook I was looking at theother day. Sorry I cant do computery stuff but I'll gladly send you a photocopy.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 01:43 PM

The one at ljc's click-on is also from Scarce Songs 1, and with a fouled up history at the click-on. At the click-on the tune is that for "Maggie Lauder", from Chambers' 'The Songs of Scotland Prior to Burns' (1862) not Chambers' 'The Songs of Scotland' (1829), where no tune was given. Also there was an error. The copy of 1723 in Scarce Songs 1 is from "A Collection of Old Ballads', not Evans' 'Old Ballads'. Chambers' song is one that first appeared in vol. 1 of the 1740 edition of Ramsay's 'Tea Table Miscellany'.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 01:02 PM

If ye knew the title whit for did ye no post it?
Oneywie,turns oot we are baith wrang tho ye're mair wrang than me.
Moggy Lauder

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 11:55 AM

"The Scotch Lass's Lamentation for the Loss of her Maiden Head" is the title.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 09:17 AM

Aye ye're richt ah got it aff the net bit ah cannae mind whaur.The title is Moggie Lauder.The reason the line breaks micht be different is when ye cut an' paste intae the mudcat ye hae tae pit them in again or it comes oot in ane long unbroke line.At least that's whit happened the first time ah tried it ages ago.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 12:26 AM

ljc's text looks rather like it was copied from www.erols.com/olsonw, with HTML paragraph markers put in but not the line ending HTML markers. The title was left out by lcj.

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 02 - 12:18 AM

That text can also be found in Scarce Songs 1 at www.erols.com/olsonw, with ABCs of three versions of the tune (the most recent being one of 1729) in file S1.HTM

Subject: RE: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: little john cameron
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 11:33 PM

It seems Mggie got around quite a bit.Here is the same woman wi' a different man.Remember any type of single dancing was suspect in those days,especially women.

There liv'd a Lass in our Town, Her name was Moggy Lawder, And She would fain have plaid the Loon, But durst not tell her father; Now She's forgot her Father's fear, And on the same did venture, And afterwards as you shall hear A Lad did oft frequent her.

Now Moggy Lawder on a Day, A Barber Lad did meet her, Both Joy and Heart to her did say, And kindly he did greet her: My dear let me get thee with Bearn, And Ise shall be it's Father, And you'll be Mother of the same, My bonny Moggy Lawder.

Sweet-heart to him she says indeed, And so did fall a weeping, I'm wearied with my Maidenhead While I have it in keeping: But if thou'lt true and trusty be, As I am Moggie Lawder, Ise then will give it unto thee, But do not tell my Father.

For if my Father hear he same, Right fore he will abuse me, But I think long to try the Game, Therefore I'll not refuse thee: But first protest to marry me, To be my Baby's Father, And be a Husband unto me, Bonny Moggy Lawder.

My Dear says he indeed I am, Unto my Trade a Shaver, And there is not a living Man, Can call me a Deceiver; Yea surely I will marry thee, And be thy Baby's Father, And thou shalt be a Wife to me, My bonny Moggie Lawder.

And then to her he gave a Kiss, Saying, Dear, how shall I please thee, Be sure I will do more than this, And of thy troubles ease thee: And all along upon her Back, He laid poor Moggy Lawder, Gave her a Scope upon her dope, She durst not tell her Father.

With Kisses and Embraces then, In Peace and Love they parted, And did appoint another time, To meet there loving hearted: And with a merry Heart's content, With what the Lad had gave her, Rejoycing homeward as she went She sung the jolly Shaver.

But now the Seed that late was sown, Is become a springing, And she is melancholly grown, And has left off her singing: And often in her Heart could wish, That she had been a Callder, For Edinburgh is filled with The talk of Moggie Lawder.

ljc

Subject: What type of dance did Maggie Lauder da
From: bfolkemer
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 11:08 PM

Now, I realize that there are sexual undertones in Maggie Lauder, but taking the surface meaning, what type of dance might she have danced, by herself, while Rob the Ranter played his bagpipes? I ask this because we are putting together a medley with the song "Maggie Lauder," and some dance tunes. Was it likely to have been a jig?

Thank you!!

Beth