BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 23 Mar 03 - 01:40 AM

Presidential Debate-Tues. Oct 3, 2000
Al Gore v. George Bush, Boston,MA.
Vice-Presidential Debate-Thur. Oct. 5, 2000
Richard Cheney v. Joseph Lieberman, Danville KY.
Presidential Debate-Oct. 11, 2000
Gore v. Bush, Winston-Salem NC.
Presidential Debate- Tues. Oct 17, 2000
Gore v. Bush, St Louis MO.

Spaw and Judy, All I can say to you is if Ralph Nader and Winona Laduke were allowed to debate we may have had a different President and Vice President. Who really knows? Democrats and Republicans alike were too pussy to find out. If people didn't vote for external parties it would leave us with NO CHOICES other than this so called two-party race, which of coarse it is anyway, but I,for one, am glad to say I try to stop this shit from happening by voting a different party, and I am not ashamed of saying I voted for Nader and if he runs again in 2004, I will vote for him again. Nader stood for the people and Winona a woman with a proud sense could have very well done this country some good.(Not to mention the fact that it really is time we get a woman into this Mickey-Mouse outfit to start cleaning house- no pun or label intended!)
That's all I have to say about that. Peace. Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 10:00 AM

Dear Beccy, I am concerned with damage from demos, that is why Quakers at the demos try and spread a culture of peace. Are you concerned with the generations that suffer from the weapons we have used on, for example the Vietnames? Today there are cancers from Agent Orange spread liberally over the nation, children still being killed or losing limbs to our land mines, which the US government still refuses to disclose the location of, even to Vets who wish to go over to remove them, so US Vets place themselves in harms way to remove the damage from our demonstrations of barbarity.
So there we are, war creats a culture of war and we - both sides in issues must try and mitigate the harm of our points of view
Peace
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: saulgoldie
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 09:44 AM

Judy R,
You don't really believe that a few handsful of Greenies "gave" it to Shrub, do you? First of all, the Green votes were spread around and were not enough that if Gore had them he woulda won. Second, and this is a sad truth that the Dems *still* tragically do not understand, many Green votes are from people who either haven't voted much before because they felt there were no choices for them or would not have voted for Gore, anyway. Let's remember that he brought problems of his own making to the election, including his personality and some of his positions.

Third, Greens had absolutely nothing to do with the Fla/Sup Ct. vote theft debacle. And fourth, as I have watched the Dems limp along through the recent election, and several rounds of endorsing some very nasty parts of the Repub program, among them the tax cut and Ashcroft, I still have not seen and do not see the kind of strong voice for traditional Democratic values and positions that would make me vote and donate enthusiastically to the party. Again, while there are some significant differences between the parties, the Dems have so steadily moved away from me for so many years that I now look pink.
Nevertheless, a strong majority of Americans asked in neutral questions about most issues that would be "owned" by Dems, they tend to support the Dem position. So clearly the crux of the biscuit is forceful presentation as well, of course, as actually taking those positions and holding them dear.

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Beccy
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 03:52 PM

This is a serious question and it is not meant to offend. Are any of you who attend the protests concerned about the disruptions and damage to personal property that small amounts of the protesters are doing? (I.e. blocking/stopping traffic in large cities [San Francisco], demolishing the McDonald's in Paris, etc...)?

Does it bother you that those people infringe on your peaceful movements? I'm just curious.

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 02:18 PM

These are some of the most oustanding photos I've seen. They come to me from another Mudcatter who was at this Peace rally in Ohio. (No, not Spaw:-) Please, even if it's just for the artistry, please take a look at them.

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: mg
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 02:58 AM

I was wondering the same thing seeing as some people I was just reading (got em off the Drudge Report..that list)..are saying that is starting to happen. What if what we see is the freeing of people from tyranny? What if all the songs we sang about let my people go etc. really came true? That people did come pouring out of their houses and bomb shelters exhuberant? At what point in that hopeful scenario, would people say..hey, it worked. Cancel the protest...

Of course, anything could happen.

mg

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 06:30 PM

Doug, how could you be so naive? Do you really think the military won't censor what the reporters report?

Larry, you and others may be interested in this: over 15,000 in a spontaneous protest in Australia!

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: DougR
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 03:44 PM

daylia: since the American press is traveling with the troops, I think there will little going on that will not be reported. If the troops are spit on by the local populace, I'm sure that will be reported. If they are greeted as liberators, I'm sure you would agree that that should be reported too.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 03:29 PM

There is going to be a rally, no permit, stay on the sidewalks... at times Square today at 5, with a vigil tonight at Washington Sq. Park... see ya there or be square. Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 02:34 PM

DougR, it'll be interesting to see if your mainstream media reports anything other than your attacking forces being "greeted as liberators" by the Iraqis!

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: DougR
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 01:31 AM

And if the attacking forces are greeted as liberators by the Iraqi citizens, I suppose you, Spaw, and you kat, will be among the first to acknowledge that it was the right thing to do, right? :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:45 PM

Actually Forum Lurker they would be invading EVERYONE's space if it was in international waters. I mean where in the hell are the shields when you really need them? Some little boy or girl could hit one of those mines while playing with their boats.

Insensitive asses - actually shooting at someone laying mines. My good God - what were they thinking?

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Marion
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:35 PM

They've just put up a fence around the US consulate in Toronto. Is this happening in other cities?

Willie-O, are catapults still your village's primary export?

Marion

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Gareth
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:26 PM

Triple A fire at patroling RAF Harriers - I thought that they were there by agreement to protect ethnic minorities ?

Come on, where are the protests ???

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Beccy
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:07 PM

Okay, so laying mines in international waters is not an act of aggression because they didn't paint someone's name on them? Please.

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:03 PM

No, GUEST, OFF Kuwaiti waters. While a breach of international law, it's not an act of aggression, because you're not invading anyone's territory.

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 09:45 AM

Bagpuss - very good - maybe there is hope for you yet. They were laying mines in Kuwaiti waters -

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Bagpuss
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:30 AM

Your country is about to be attacked, but putting defence measures in place is an act of aggression? So, anything the Iraqis do will be an act of aggression unless they roll over and don't fight....

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Gareth
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:54 AM

Hmmm ??? "Laying Mines" ??? Errr ??? Whose act of agression, but somehow I don't see ye'all demonstrating against that peice of Iraqui aggression.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: JudyR
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:53 AM

I like that "Operation Thank You Ralph Nadar." There isn't a day that I see our prez' face on the TV that I don't silently curse what the Greens did to us in 2000 -- and most of them are still ranting about what Clinton didn't do to save Somalis or something, all the while as deeply unhappy about the course of events as we are.

I've been getting my antiwar protest info from www.moveon.org and, having signed up with my zip code to a candlelight vigil, I get e-mails from locals who are staging these various events in my neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:24 AM

Thank you, Spaw. I am just going to do like I have in the past, juts follow you around on the threads and post "ditto what Spaw said."

Marion, thanks for letting us know the dates. Joe, thanks for the link. I agree with you, peaceful, for now.

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Troll
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:03 AM

Why 'Spaw, we agree on other things. I mean we both think you're a swell guy with a great sense of humor and...well, there are probably a few other things.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 11:53 PM

Well, the first thing I want to protest is the name we have given this thing at this point.........Operation Iraqi Freedom.....puh-leeze...........Let's get real here and call it something closer to the truth:

Operation Cheap Gas
Operation Biggest Dick
Operation Puppet Government
Operation Thank You Ralph Nader
Operation Make Daddy Proud

Troll, you and I can at least agree on your last sentence......Lets pray that it will be over quickly so that the loss of life on both sides will be minimal....AMEN to that one brother.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Troll
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 11:14 PM

It has already started. A Kuwaiti gunboat fired on a large fleet of dhows who were thought to be laying mines. This from The Times.

                   First shots fired at sea as allied
                   battle plan unfolds
                   By David Sharrock in Kuwait and Michael Evans, Defence Editor


                   THE first shots of the war have been fired, killing at least one
                   Iraqi during a suspected operation to mine the waters off
                   Kuwait. But that opening skirmish is about to be dwarfed by
                   the most formidable military assault in modern warfare:
                   250,000 British and American troops — backed by more than
                   1,000 aircraft, 400 tanks and a 110-strong armada — are
                   poised to unleash their awesome power on Saddam Hussein's
                   Iraq the moment the order is given.

                   The first clash occurred in the mouth of the Khawr al-Zubayr
                   river, a few miles south of the port of Umm Qasr, when a
                   Kuwaiti gunboat challenged a flotilla of about 25 Iraqi dhows.
                   The boats failed to respond and the Kuwaitis opened fire. It
                   was unclear whether the dhows had laid any mines.

                   The Royal Navy has four mine counter-measure vessels in the
                   Gulf which were searching the waterway last night.

Lets pray that it will be over quickly so that the loss of life on both sides will be minimal.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Protests in case of attack on Iraq
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 11:06 PM

For activities in the United States, you can get pretty good information at http://www.unitedforpeace.org.

I have to say that some of the planned responses are a bit frightening. I'll be sure to go to a peaceful vigil, but I don't believe in violence or vandalism in the name of peace.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: BS: Protests if case of attack on Iraq
From: Marion
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:47 PM

Hi all. There are at least two big protests planned as a response to an attack on Iraq:

5pm on the day that bombing begins

1pm on the following Saturday

These will be at US embassies and consulates around the world. I'm not sure where the locations will be inside the US, so please post the info if there is a "standard" location. Like the Feb. 15 demos, these protests are being coordinated around the world.

Marion