Folk singers in the Netherlands?

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: GUEST,Shanty Kees
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 01:58 PM

Turlough,

The Folk Club "Noordwijkerhout" organises the following concerts:

7 Oktober 2003: Peter Morton & Kelly While
25 November 2003: Colum Sands
11 December 2003: Coope, Boyes & Simpson with Georgina Boyes, Fi Frazier and Jo Freya
13 January 2004: Jenny Crook & Henry Sears
5 February 2004: Dougie MacLean
10 February 2004: Fine Friday
2 March 2004: Ember
18 March 2004: Brian McNeill
20 March 2004: Bill Jones & Miranda Sykes

All concerts start at 20.30 hours
Location: 't Soldaatje, Jacoba van Beierenweg 150, 2215 KX Voorhout.

During the winter season on several Sundayafternoons the stage is for you and anybody willing to sing songs, play tunes etc. At the moment I donot know the dates for these afternoons but I think I will be informed on the night of the first concert in Oktober.

Admission for the concerts is Eur 8 or Eur 10. Only Coope, Boyes etc. and Dougie MacLean is Eur 12.

Reservations can be made with Liesbeth Wesseling 0172-430082 or Frits 0252-213167.

I hope this helps. I will be there most of the time so we may meet.

Best regards,
Shanty Kees

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 06:42 AM

Early in this thread I mentioned a Gerdie chap called Dominic Cronin who lives in Amsterdam. Well he has a web page here where you may be able to contact him for Dutch info, at least he's put an email address there

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: John J
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 06:19 AM

There used to be a club in Amsterdam called 'Folk-Fairport', but I don't know if it still exists. I can't remeber the address, but it was fairly central.

Over the border in Belgium, Antwerp had an excellent club: 'Music Dos' (Music box?). Again, this was some years ago so I have no idea if it still exists.

John

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Forsh
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 05:53 AM

Anything Happen in Amsterdam? (Besides the obvious)! I went a month ago and couldn't find anyone who could help. Intending to re-visit soon as poss!

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 09:44 AM

Shanty Kees,

yes, please, give me all the details you've got! I'm not only interested in listening to other people, but also in singing myself. Not that I'm a great singer, I just love to exchange songs with other people...

Thanks,

Turlough

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Herma
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 06:26 PM

What a lovely thread this is....
Just got back from UK where I visited some great folkfestivals, and met with Eric (the Viking) by surprise...

Live in the Hague, sing (folk)music. Member of the same folkclub as "Shanty" Kees, frequently visit the mentioned sessions at the Tregter in Leiden, which are being held on Tuesday evening of every odd weeknumber throughout the year!
There's usually a crowd of somewhere between 15 to 20 people about,with a variety of music-styles depending on who's there and what the athmosphere of the evening appears to be.
The evening starts at approx. 20.30 hrs.

If you would like to know more, please let me know!

Cheers

Herma

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Celtaddict
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 06:01 PM

Nanne Kalma is amazing, and the group Liereliet does some great things. I am at work but may have other contacts at home.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: GUEST,Shanty Kees
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 03:23 PM

There is a fine folkclub in Voorhout, a few kilometers northwest of Leiden near Sassenheim. They have a concert every month with, among others, this year: Dougie MacLean, Pete Morton etc. It is in a pub called 't Soldaatje. If you are interested I can give you more details later.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Peg
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 12:23 PM

Hey, that cafe sounds cool. I will be in Leiden for at least three days and in need of letting off steam after being at a conference all day...I think there is one night where the confernece attendees are having a banquet and some performing and I have agreed to sing for them...not sure which night that is tho.
also thinking about the advantages of sampling Belgian beer, chocolate and French fries in their native habitat...

peg

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 12:03 PM

Mooman,

you are absolutely right, I should learn to keep my mouth shut when I am not absolutely sure about something...

And I really hope that you will find these Dutch musicians. Can't wait!

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 12:00 PM

Eric,

I think I know that one, as I lived in Leiden for 6 years. I suppose you mean 'De Trechter', but as far as I know they only have sessions occasionally. Anyway, thanks for the tip, because I had forgotten about this café...

And is your mate in Leiden also "into folk"? ....

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 10:55 AM

There is a cafe' in Leiden that has a mix of traditional Dutch and Irish/UK/USA folk music-I'll check out where the website is, or ask my mate in Leiden.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 08:56 AM

Turlough

That was actually Urban Trad in the Eurovision!

I've played here in Belgium quite a few times with traditional players who came down from the Netherlands and will make some enquiries.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 08:11 AM

John P.

Wow, it's good to hear that some non-dutchies are interested in our music. Keep up the good work (actually, you are doing what I've always wanted to do...). Should you ever be in need of a certain song or tune, I've quite a large collection, and I would be happy to send you something. Lais and Kadril are very impressive, I think it was Kadril that almost won the Eurovision Songcontest (second place). It's a bit of a puzzle why Belgians are more interested in folk-music than the Dutch, maybe it has got something to do with the fact that Belgium is bi-lingual (actually tri-lingual). Maybe the Flemish have more need to distinguish their culture from the Wallon...

Turlough

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 05:51 AM

Your will find EVERY sort of folk music immaginable in Holland. It is a diverse and culturly rich country, with powerful, Asian, African, Spanish, and American influence. As a nation they low to publicly dance and sing.

International Musicians Meetgins in Rotterdam http://musicians.meetup.com/members/876

The Bluegrass Section in Rotterdam http://bluegrass.meetup.com/members/876

American Country Western Dance http://home.hccnet.nl/aboone.1/agenda.htm

International Dance Theatre - Indian http://www.intdanstheater.nl/english/welkom.htm

Jazz Masters of Netherlands http://www.jazzmasters.nl/

Jazz Festivals in Holland http://www.dutch-jazz.com/

Listing of the Lowlands Festivals http://www.masadsign.nl/llama/Archives/showfestivals.asp?rec=0&sor=StartDate

Everything Dutch - LineDancing to Marching Bands and Festival http://www.euronet.nl/users/nh/muz.html Dans en Muziek

Traditonal Dutch Dancing & Festivals http://www.euronet.nl/~trio/

Blues Festival http://www.bluesclub.nl/festival/totaal2.htm

All sorts of festivals from skating to wine to folk - GOOD UP TO DATE http://www.festivalinfo.nl/festivals.php

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Peg
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 05:55 PM

I will actually be in Leiden in late October (29-31) for a conference, so if any Mudcatters want to get together then, PM me! I am looking forward to seeing the Netherlands, I have never been there before.
peg

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Letty
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 04:03 PM

Hi!
I'm from the Netherlands, but I'm not actually living there at the moment, so no tips but a few websites:

For the most up-to-date list of events/workshops/sessions etc. all over Holland (mostly Irish folk, but occasionally Dutch folk too), go to Eltjo's folk page, and check out the 'agenda'.
For Dutch folk music, check out this page , and have a Dutch dictionary handy.
Good luck!

Letty

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: John P
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 09:35 AM

I am very interested in Dutch folk songs and dance tunes. Also Flemmish. I really like most of the music I have heard, and besides, most of my grandparents came from the Netherlands. I have one little book of songs, called "Nederlands Volksleid", and I know three dance tunes. Recommendations and/or sources for more written music and any CDs would be very welcome. I have a CD by a group called Pekel, a CD of bagpipe music called "Het daghet inden Oosten", and a couple of CDs from Belgium (I think) by the groups Lais and Kadril.

I'm sorry to hear that this music is dying out. I'm doing my bit to save it -- my new Euro-trad band here in Seattle is working on a couple of Dutch songs. We're lucky enough to have a singer who can sing in Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, and French.

John Peekstok

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 06:19 AM

I'd imagine that songs rooted in the former Dutch empire would also be around in the Netherlands to be explored. There are sizeable communities of people from such places after all.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 06:05 AM

Turlough

He's English, well from the North East in case the distinction is important ;-), rather than Dutch, but there is a chap called Dominic Cronin who lives in Holland. Doesn't post here as far as I know but is regular on uk.music.folk, so catching him there might help you. If you do contact him send him my regards (I've given up with u.m.f myself).

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 05:57 AM

McGrath and Curmudgeon, I agree with you that shanties are quite popular in the Netherlands, but, unfortunately, that's not what I'm after. Another kind of music that is deeply rooted in Dutch culture and history, is the 'levenslied' ("life-song"), in English you would call it 'crooner' (I think...). A lot of people know at least part of a levenslied, so maybe you could say that this kind of 'folkmusic' still hasn't died out.

El Greko, unfortunately, I can't look your song up in my songbooks, as, for another two weeks, I'm in Senegal (for work, so don't be jealous). It doesn't ring a bell, but there are quite a lot of these old songs.Thanks anyway, I'll certainly look into it. And of course you can sing it to me sometime, that's always better than MP3. But you say you "lived" in the Netherlands, so maybe that would be a bit difficult? Thanks for the name of Nanne Kalma, I don't know him yet, but when I'm back in the Lowlands I'll certainly look out for him...

All of the people who are interested in Dutch folk: there's a group of three Belgian girls, called Lais. In their repertoire, they have a lot of old Dutch/Flemish songs, and their voices are just marvellous! Check them out at www.lais.be (I think they have two or three Cd's out).

Thank you for all your help,

T.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 06:12 PM

And if you want to get in touch with some of those Dutch shanty singers, look here.
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Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 05:50 PM

I lived in the Netherlands for nearly seven years, and the only Dutch traditional songs I found were translated English shanties. But...

a) In a very roundabout way I came by a song, "Ik zeg adieu" (I say adieu) published in 1645 in the "Antwarpse Lied Boek" (Antwerp Song Book). A wonderful, sweet parting song supposedly sung by a mail order bride on her way to Java as she parts from her mother, in those days presumably forever. It's in Flemish/old Dutch, unsurprisingly as in those days Antwerp was part of the Lowlands ethnically. Seek it out (there are MP3s of various versions on the net), or get me to sing it to you some time.

b)Up in Friesland, tradition, at least of sea songs, is being revived mainly through the sterling efforts of Nanne Kalma, a songwriter of some power. Nanne has not only written some great songs in traditional style (one of them is sung by Johnny Collins on his last CD, translated into English - "She stands on the quay"), he has also written a number of musical shows highlighting pages of Dutch maritime history. And every October, in Workum, he runs a GREAT maritime song festival (Shantyfestival De Stront) timed to coincide with the annual "stront race" event for skoetsjies (the little Zuiderzee boats). J.Collins and Jim Mageean are regulars there, and so are Danny & Joyce McLeod, Graeme Knights, Shanty Jack etc. Such is Nanne Kalma's contribution to the traditional culture of Friesland, that he has been awarded the Dutch Medal of Honour by their Queen.

Now, that's something you don't see in England!

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 03:47 PM

There was a Dutch dance group at Sidmouth this year; and at Walton Folk Festival we've had a crew of Dutch shanty singers a couple of times, went down a treat..

That site looks interesting enough (though my Dutch isn't up to it) - and here's another with some links - Nederlandse Folk

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 02:52 PM

By the way, McGrath, should you be interested, the best (and as far as I know, the only) site on Dutch folksongs is:

www.xs4all.nl/~bslikker

T.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 02:44 PM

McGrath,

interesting point! Actually, I have quite a collection of (antique) Dutch songbooks, and I sing some of them every now and then. But I think Dutch folkmusic is on the brink of extinction. I think the last active followers of the genre died out when the hippies became doctors and lawyers... I still remember a very painful experience: I was in a pub somewhere in Ireland, together with a friend of mine. I had sung a few Irish and Scottish songs, and then all of a sudden people asked my friend if he could sing something... When he answered that he didn't know any Irish or Scottish songs, a nice lady answered that she would really like to hear a Dutch folksong. And he couldn't think of one! With this example I only want to demonstrate that Dutch folk really isn't alive anymore.

T.

P.S.: I've had a plan for a couple of years now to somehow form a band which focuses on old Dutch songs, but I really didn't have the time (nor the courage) to really go for it. The plan is still there, though, and you'd be happy to know that I'm only 26 (so, technically, I'll have another 50 years).

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 02:36 PM

"folk clubs in the Netherlands that focus on singing (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc etc etc...

Would the "etc" include Dutch? When I'm in a foreign country I'm looking to get acquainted with the musical traditions of that country, first off anyway.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 02:33 PM

Alexis: Thank you very much, I will surely send her an e-mail, even if I won't get a lot of useful info from Mudcat. By the way, what do you mean by "a Cotswold side"?

Guest: Thanks! I will surely check it out some day (or rather: some night). I'm certainly willing to spend a few boring hours in a car or train for this...

T.

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: GUEST,K
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 02:26 PM

I know it's not really Randstad, but Eindhoven (1½ hour from Den Haag) has some good folk evenings in cosy cafe Berlage, one of the best cafe's in town. Great food, nice folks. Info on link

Subject: RE: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Alexis
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 08:25 AM

I have had contact with a great bunch of girls (and men) from Utrecht; the Maids of the Mill, a Cotswold side. They might have some info, failing success from the Mudcat. Try Era; email her [e-mail]
Send her best wishes from the Slubbibg Billy's, if you contact her.
Alex

Subject: Folk singers in the Netherlands?
From: Turlough
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 07:52 AM

Hello everybody,

I was wondering if there are any Dutch mudcatters around. If so, could any of you tell me wether there are folk clubs in the Netherlands that focus on singing (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc etc etc? I live in the Randstad (The Hague).

Thanks,

T.