BS: can you see England from Ireland?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:00 AM

I cant see the point of this.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 10:57 AM

Look a full moon over Hull.....

No sorry its John again ...pull them up John

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:12 PM

Mudguard. Die Bilder sind sehr nett. Danke sehr.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,teri ma
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:11 PM

lan choops

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: ex-pat
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:38 PM

On a clear day, (which isn't too often!) I have seen some part of Scotland from Malin Head, Donegal. Not quite England.
I saw Hull once, from a bus.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:37 PM

I think the real problem is that for over 300 years some politicans didn't see Ireland from England...

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:34 PM

Perhaps a Mudexpedition should be mounted. Who shall be our meteorologist to select the 'window'?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:45 PM

GUEST JT thats interesting, thats the first rference Ive seen to the possibility of seeing England..and from the south too.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,rat
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 12:47 PM

trouble is, even if you quit the rat race, youre still a rat.
Just kidding

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 12:06 PM

You can see Snowdon, as well as the Mournes, from Seefingan on the Dublin-Wicklow border if it's any way clear. I met a man one very cold, crisp day with thick snow on the ground and hard ice on the roads; he was coming down from Seefingan, and said that he'd been able to see across to the Lake Country in England it was so clear.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 07:10 PM

I walked halfway up Black Combe once (Dave The Gnome will vouch for this) so I suppose I could only see half of Ireland.

Spot

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 05:57 AM

jOhn - sorry, we've forgotten all about you. Yes, you can come back down from the roof now !

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: freda underhill
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 04:17 AM

flat horizon is a reality in the australian outback. two stripes.

begin looking in western australia. watch

pale bright blue horizontal stripe

red horizontal stripe

watch for three days thru train window, on emergence you will have reached sydney.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 03:47 AM

If I look out my front window, I can see a loch complete with ducks, widgeon, Bewick swans, little Grebes and a heron or two. On the far side is a pine forest, and hills. This is why I quit the rat race.
John

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 08:35 PM

If I stood on my sink I could see next door's TV.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Joybell
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 08:09 PM

And, eric, I can see my kitchen from the top of the TV. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Joybell
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 08:08 PM

Hello Art, I can see Stewie too when the sun is high and the wind blows hard from the South. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:07 AM

I can't see my TV from the kitchen.
eric

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:39 AM

'On a clear day, if you rise and look around you'
John

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:10 AM

You can see rain from Manchester.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 05:07 PM

They say, you can see Ireland from the coast of Wales, and vice versa-don't suppose that'll count except to Gareth and Sian.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 05:05 PM

If I stand on a beer can in Sydney, I can see Stewie in Darwin if he's standing up.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:59 PM

"The Scots one is the Isle of Arran , and the Irish ones the Aran Isles"

And Ireland also has Aran Island, which is not to be confused with the Aran Islands, though it often is - they are here.

(Click on those links and you should get maps of both.)

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Joybell
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:59 PM

I can wave at you from your tomorrow. It's my today. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:49 PM

"I'm a Celebrity - Get Me Off This Bloody Mountain - this Diddley Music is Driving Me Crazy"... Yes, it could work pretty well. (And if anyone thinks there should be some women involved, well, it is the Isle of Man.)

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Com Seangan
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:21 PM

I saw England from the stand in Twickenham last week. A pleasant view entriely, so it was.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:11 PM

you can see Ireland from the beach at Kildonan (Isle of Arran) quite clearly if it ever stops raining long enough!
Great campsite and pub - taken over by gang of muscians and assorted nutters every August

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:49 PM

The Scots one is the Isle of Arran , and the Irish ones the Aran Isles. West of the Isle of Arran you can see Paddy's Milestone, otherwise known as Ailsa Craig, a great big lump of granite that rises almost straight out or the sea. They used to quarry granite for curling stones there, it's now just a bird colony.
John

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:48 PM

the thing is, Scotland and Ireland are very close together, like England and France. Mutual visibilty no problem.England and Ireland is trickier: Black Combe and Slieve Donard(Mourne) are th logical contenders, but the Isle of Man seems to have inconveniently interposed itself. I reckon Scafell/Slieve Donard are the likeliest contenders. McGrath's idea for a TV programme is great, but unfortunately I would guess that,even if it is theoretically possible, it's only likely to be clear enough a day or two a year. However, a TV prog from Snaefell summit on the Isle of Man with pail, Oddie, Aly Bain and Johnny Rotten would be more feasible: it is quite often possible to see England,Wales, Scotland and Ireland from Man, as they are all quite close.
    In the literature I have read, I have only ever seen the claim made for Black Combe, and no reciprocal claim made for teh Mountains of Mourne. That is what leads me to think it is impossible. But I'd love to be proved wrong. For the moment, I shall have to be content with JOhn from Hull's boxers.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Damon
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:29 PM

I dont know about that, but I do know you can see the English Channel, the Atlantic Ocean and a bit of England from the highest point in Cornwall, which is nice...

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:35 PM

well you can see Ireland from Aran Island Scotland too I believe,
or at least thats what I was told when I was there.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:24 PM

You can see Ireland from New York... because.... (here it comes the spaw plugometer is ticking...........) SORCHA DORCHA will be at the HALF KING restaurant and pub, this Wends. Saint Patrick's Day on 23rd street between 10th and 11th Ave. from 7 pm to 10 ... As expected Lorcan Otway on vocals uilleann pipes flute whistle bodhran and the great Jane Kelton on flute whistle and key board, Seanin An Fear on Mandolin, Joe Charupakorn on guitar... the joint is already rumbling, so stay from Give us a drink of water to An Phis Fluich, all yer ol' favs...
Cheers, Is mise, le meas, Lorcan Otway

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 11:44 AM

John be careful, that was how Rod Hull (not from Hull) died.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:35 AM

With allowing for mirages (could they occur in Britain?) things can actually be seen that are not visible from the trigonometric point of view.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: JennyO
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:34 AM

"..I see Jerusalem and Madagascar,
I see Jerusalem and Madagascar,
And North and South Amerikay,
And North and South Amerikay."

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:31 AM

On a clear day you can see the sea from Blackpool Tower.
eric

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: MudGuard
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:25 AM

Wolfgang, there is a difference: in Germany, we have real mountains, not just hills ;-)

From Munich, we sometimes have a spectacular view of the Alps (nearest point is about 60km straight south)

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Allan C.
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:23 AM

Before someone pounces, "flat horizon" is a figurative expression.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Allan C.
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:09 AM

Curvature of the earth limits vision at a flat horizon to about 75 miles. The mountains would need to be pretty darn high to see them across 130 miles of ocean.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,surprised but intrigued
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:03 AM

I see London I see France I see jOhn from Hull's underpants.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,Aviation Authority
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 09:59 AM

Stop waving those table tennis bats about jOhn, you are causing havoc.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 09:33 AM

How do you work these things out, anyway?

I suppose in theory, Trigonometry. But it'd be more reliable and more fun to go there on a clear day.

It'd the kind of thing that the BBC turns into a programme, normally with Michael Palin or Bill Oddie - perhaps BBC Four could be persuaded to do it with Aly Bain and friends on the summit, playing tunes from all the countries visible.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 09:31 AM

What is the neareswt distance between the two? On a very clear day, mountains at distances up to 100 km can be seen in Germany.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,Humber Bridge Board
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:41 AM

jOhn get back in before you fall, nice boxers though.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:40 AM

It'll have to be a very clear day, as Skiddaw is about 130 miles from Slieve Donard. As a comparison, Snowdon is regularly and easily seen from Black Combe, and that is about 90 miles. But Skiddaw is loads higher than Black Combe, so 130 miles shouldnt be too much should it? How do you work thesethings out, anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:33 AM

I'm reminded of:

the song:

Oh! it really is a very pretty garden,
And Chingford to the eastward could be seen;
Wiv a ladder and some glasses,
You could see to 'Ackney Marshes,
If it wasn't for the 'ouses in between.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:33 AM

Well, Fibula, the way I see it: Youve a clear view from Slieve Donard to the summit of Skiddaw. i would have thought(I dont know the formula) that given the heights of the two mountains, there's nothing to stop you seeing that far. For Scafell/Slieve Donard there's a bit of low lying Isle of Man in the way, but I dont think that should be an insupaerable. The trouble with Black Combe, which is the hill all the books say you can see Ireland from,there is some quite high Isle of Man intervening. I think someone confused a bit of Man with mountains of Mourne, with a bit of wishful thinking, and the claim has been repeated ever since.
   So, couls someone go up Lieve Donard on the next clear day, look to the left of the Point of Aire on Man, and see if you can see Skiddaw?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:22 AM

Have stood on top of (some of) the Mournes many times, but only ever seen Scotland and the Isle of Man. Perhaps I didn't know what I was looking at, though...

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:16 AM

John, what colour were those boxers before the unfortunate curry-related incident?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: MudGuard
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:14 AM

You can definitely see Scotland from Ireland (Mull of Kintyre from Torr Head) - about 22km/14m.

Look at my picture page
Foreground: coast between Cushendun and Torr Head, background Mull of Kintyre

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:11 AM

I've been on the summit of Black Coombe many a time. All I can see, usualy, is rain. I can see the steeple of Millom church if I am lucky. If I am very unlucky I can see Sellafield but not much further;-) Fantistic view North and East though.

I have seen all 6 kingdoms from the top of Snaefell though!

Cheers

:D

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:10 AM

greg-I was wearing a brown cardigan, and bright yellow boxer shorts, did you see me?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: GUEST,Safety Officer
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 08:07 AM

Careful jOhn I don't think he will be really on his roof, people dont wear grey jumpers anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:59 AM

JOhn: go out and stand on the roof for a while, and I'll go out on mine and wave. I'm wearing a grey jumper if you cant see which one I am.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:57 AM

heloo, i'm not standing on the roof now.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:50 AM

Can you see jOhn standing on his roof from the Humber Bridge - come to that would you want to ?

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Davetnova
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:36 AM

I don't know about England from Ireland.But from Whithorn in SW Scotland, on a good day you can see Scotland, England, Man, Ireland and of course the kingdom of god(the heavens)

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:36 AM

I know this, because i had to go on the roof, and twizzle the airial when the football was on telly.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:34 AM

I said "interesting" posts, please JOhn. Get back in your curry.

Subject: RE: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:32 AM

I don't know, but i can see The Humber Bridge [biggest bridge in Hull] if i stand on my roof.

Subject: BS: can you see England from Ireland?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:22 AM

(OK, dont bother with funny remarks about "would you want to").
I was brought up to believe you can see the mountains of Mourne from Black Combe in Cumbria, on a good day. I dont actually believe this any more, I think there are bits of the Isle of Man in the way. But I am reasonably confident it ought to be possible from Sca Fell or Skiddaw. So, is there anyone in Ireland who can confirm a sighting of English mountains from the mountains of Mourne? Or vice versa?
   I have asked this question before, but have never found someone to answer it. And do please feel free to divert this thread into any other interesting long-range views.