BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: DougR
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 02:37 PM

Me thinks GUEST protesteth too much. Perhaps you sturck a chord, ttr.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:38 PM

May the 'regulars' and the 'guests' here at this corner cafe recognize the importance of positive thought and prayer.

May the 'liberal' move first and formost with compassion and consideration of others... and may this lead to a new sense of congeniality that includes as well as embraces the goodness of people.

May we all learn to turn disconsolate rudeness into abiding joy and love.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 01:26 AM

May he be removed from public office and spend his days in powerless obscurity, beginning tomorrow.


A

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:37 AM

Actions ofetn speak louder than words, but words are a form of action. too. Each to his/her abilities.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:30 PM

Actually, I don't consider myself cynical in the least. But I do refuse to set aside my critical faculties, just to play smiley face, feel good games which just fuel cynicism. And rightfully so.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:23 PM

It's better than wallowing in cynicism, but hey, have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:05 PM

"Peace be with you."

Mmmmhmmmm. Yes, it's obviously having such a powerful effect on a planetary scale, after all. Just say nice prayers, and wish one another peace, and I'm sure everything will be JUST FINE.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:38 PM

Well, peace be with somebody somewhere.

That and a hope that it will spread.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:08 PM

That's a very wise and well-thought prayer, Thomas. Good for you.

I may disagree greatly with George Bush's policies, but I do not wish him ill. I hope he changes his ideas and his policies to something more constructive. And if not, well, we'll deal with it and Life will go on.

I also understand Guest's concerns. We all see things from our own angle that makes sense to us.

Peace be with you too.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:58 PM

Never mind God bless Bush, (he thinks that he's blessed God) God help us.
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:05 PM

Gooood morning, Good afternoooon, and in case I don't see you again later, have a great evening too!

Bingo! You have a gift for understatement, brucie... Be well braw mon...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:44 PM

I'm starting to believe this is an out-take from "The Truman Show."

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:38 PM

Please leave me in peace, guest...

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:34 PM

Then you are very thin skinned, and your beliefs do not hold up to the slightest scrutiny, much less provocation, ttr.

How is my disagreeing with your religious opinions and beliefs, and speaking my mind frankly and openly about my secular beliefs, being "mean spirited and affrontive" in an open, free chat forum?

You nothing about my character and ability to love, and to suggest that anyone could suss that out among strangers in an online chat forum is just plain silly and immature.

My health is excellent, BTW. And if you wish to be left in peace about your religious beliefs, don't post prayers in public chat forums on folk music message boards that ARE NOT HERE for religious believers to use as a support group for their beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:31 PM

God always answers our prayers, and sometimes the answer is no.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:13 PM

My prayer is in earnest.

I find your attitude to be mean spirited and affrontive, guest... The ax you are grinding has nothing to do with me. I think you need help. Please do us all a favor, and find out why you nurture such unlovingness. Your health will improve dramatically, as will our forum.

Please leave me in peace.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:00 PM

I'm not in need of your help either, ttr.

"Hatred, anger and doubt are vices...never virtues"

Unless, of course, it is directed at an anonymous Mudcat guest, as you so amply have demonstrated in this and many threads past.

Anger and doubt have brought about many a positive change, so that is one thing I believe you are totally on the wrong course about, ttr. Anger and doubt are often exactly the right note for circumstances that demand such reactions, and move us to take positive action, or refrain from taking action--whatever the case may be.

I can agree that blinding hate isn't productive. But intense dislike can serve a lot of good purposes too, like trying to get rid of the politicians and ruling elite who are truly harming millions and billions of people everyday.

You see, not everyone agrees with your moral framework, ttr. So you should really stop acting as if you, and you alone, hold the key to all the right answers.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:44 PM

I am being absolutely sincere.

Praying, and wishing people well, all people... is good. Hatred, anger and doubt are vices... never virtues... and can not bring about positive reorientation in this world.

When I pray for two entirely different people it is with my whole heart though it be for two entirely different (and probably unknowable) reasons.

You know me. I'm as ingenuous as anyone, anywhere...

If you had any sense of sport, you would leave me be... I'm but a sitting duck in the crosshairs of your projections.

And you could BE anyone anywhere... but you're not. Only pain seeks to hurt others, and I cannot help you because I don't know who you are... And I am sorry for this.

Peace be with you.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:27 PM

And why are you trying to paint me as angry, just because I think differently than you and I'm not willing to agree with your so-called "prayer" tactic, hmmmm ttr? Couldn't be you have a hidden agenda sort of thing going on, could it?

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:21 PM

Told you he was just being manipulative and disingenuous.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:56 PM

Amen, brucie

clint

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:45 PM

TtR,

If you can pray for Bush you can pray for GUEST.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:52 PM

My goodness... guest is waxing eloquent about phony and disingenuous... annonymously... The sheer hypocrisy of such cowardly behavior betrays the weak will and the pathetic ethical makup of a troll.

Quite worthy of a prayer, eh? I hope you all will join me for a moment of quiet reflection on the unstability fostered by one angry annonymous person on the internet... and with such good intentions too...

Peace be with you, guest!
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:41 PM

I am not the least bit concerned about people praying for me or not praying for me, as I'm convinced prayer is nothing more than manipulative wishful thinking, bordering on medieval delusion.

Why do I need to wish anyone well, ttr? Is it required by law?

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:37 PM

Are you absolutely sure, beyond an inkling of a doubt, guest, that no one ever prays for you? ;^)

So... precisely whom DO you wish well. guest?
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:33 PM

I don't believe for a second that it will "work". Which is why I don't have much patience with praying for instead of working for change. It's a cop out. It is also commonly used nowadays to make the Democrats look more religious, and therefore more palatable to those who vote for Republican preacher politicians. In other words, I think it is phony and disingenuous sort of prayer.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:25 PM

Nice prayer. It would be for anyone. Hope it works. Don't think it will.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:20 PM

I've plenty of peace in my life, ttr, and without any prayers from the pietistic!

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:41 PM

Peace be with you, guest.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:29 PM

Actually, I love loud people. I come from loud and gregarious people. Loud has nothing to do with it.

The shrillness of religionists, OTOH...

And no, I won't be tolerant of religionists in our midst, when they insist upon shoving their false piety down the throats of the nation, and into our faces in every public forum, including this one, where they can bully their way in.

And that would include you and your pietisitic prayers, ttr.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:14 PM

But we may be tollerant of the pious people who inhabit our political institutions and stroll through our public squares...

Perhaps you have a 'legitimate gripe' (perhaps THE primal liberal extasy) about loud and obnoxious people in general... and religion may have little or nothing to do with it...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:02 PM

But I don't preach prayer and religion, and therein lies the difference in the US of A, where prayer and religion is constitutionally enshrined to be kept out of our political institutions and the public square.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:56 PM

Now guest...

You preach aplenty.

I'll suggest here and now, that you just look at yourself... for a couple of minutes... with the same 'rigorous and obsessive attention to detail' that you cast upon GWB.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:24 PM

Get the preaching out of politics, and religion out of the public square and back into the private sphere where it rightfully belongs!

And that includes this public square!

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:23 PM

;^) ... thanks DougR... The spirit of penitance has even reached through these cold and thick walls of stone... atonement is the primary maker of miracles... or so it seems to me...

God be with you!
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:14 PM

It also won't help save us from his right wing repression. It will only perpetuate it, by aligning itself with right wing repressive religious moralizing, disguising itself as "faith and values" preaching.

What is needed to counter the madness of King George is not faith and prayers, but to counter the use of religion and religious moralizing language with candor, honesty, facts, and framing the debate in terms of "we the people" instead of "the bottom line".

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:59 AM

Good thoughts ttr, and I must admit I'm rather surprised. Not at the posts that followed the prayer of course.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:20 AM

Bill:

I think you're too late. Delete "some", insert "any more".

A

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:11 AM

well, the prayer asks that he do well and be inspired to do better, and it's hard to argue with that, but as you can see, many of us suspect that he's beyond help.

The man is in WAY over his head, and his take on belief works against his finding his way out.

All *I* hope for is that he gets thru the next 4 years without some monumentally stupid blunder.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:03 AM

May we not have to see your brains splattered for all to see like we like we witnessed of our Democratic populist presidents and candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:59 AM

May he suffer ten times (or more!) that which he inflicts on others. For the highest good of all concerned!

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:01 AM

May he wake up able to feel for himself the effects he has created on others.


A

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 09:35 AM

A prayer that his death be swift and painless ?

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:54 AM

Why should education matter? If you weren't as careful to pick your parents as "W" was, you deserve your fate. Predestination lives.

Interersting that his father claimed to be "the education president". Starting a war turns out to be considerably more popular.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:46 AM

The president announced new budget slashes. And he's slashing education. It is a genius plan — when the kids graduate they won't have the math skills to calculate how much debt they're actually in.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:24 AM

Sorry Thomas--I think a more appropriate prayer is along the lines of the one in Fiddler on the Roof---May God bless and keep George W Bush----------far away from us.

Only problem is, of course, he's very much with us.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:53 AM

Don't you think you are asking too much of God? I know he's omnipotent, but come on. For a start he probably can't understand half of what Bush says.

DT

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: gnu
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:51 AM

Can't hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Tweed
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 06:33 AM

A beautiful prayer Thomas, and no doubt well-deserved in many folks' minds.

I thank the Lord daily that we habv four more years of our President's benevolent and compassionate rule and hopefully that will be enough time for him to get impeached.

Subject: BS: My prayer for President George W. Bush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:52 AM

May You be well and may God bless you and your family.

May you be given all the respect that your station requires... may we bring out your very best... at bringing out our very best.

May God grant you the insight and compassion that are necessary for the world leadership position that you hold as President of the United States.

May The Lord guide you through the hardships and the glamour, and may He give unto you the strength and the fortitude to guide us well as "One Nation under God"...

May God give you the power to listen carefully to Him.

May you have the cleanest conscience, and the clearest vsion.

May we look up to you in our day to day lives and be proud to serve.. and to prosper... and to sow prosperity as we reap peace.

...and may you find forgiveness in your heart for those of us, like myself, who have discompassionately criticized you as a person, far too freely... for we are misusing our voices in doing so.

God Bless you George W. Bush, and thank you for your Faith and your Devotion.
ttr