BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:09 AM

DougR - I am sure that everyone that is employed in the security industry must agree with you. Seems to be alot of job growth in that area. Kinda like a make work project with the only pay off going to the boys in the bank.

I was selected for a random search at the airport. I got the complete pat-down. Funny thing is, the others that were selected were also old ladies like me. I laughed when I realized that for the amount of money they were making, they didn't really want to find the guy with the bomb. It was easier to search old ladies and alot less risky. Needless to say, they found nothing and the line hardly slowed down at all. They were doing their job.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 01:01 AM

True, true.

But some might disagree (other opinions).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 12:09 AM

Well, yes, they are my opinions. But that doesn't necessarily mean they're not also correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 09:00 PM

Opinions, Carol C, only opinions.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 08:20 PM

Might of fact, Dougie, the money that was to go to "first responders" never got spent and in most cities they are less ready for a 9/11 then they were last 9/11??? Go figure???

But you can bet that yer guy will pump out his chest and say dumb stuff like "America's safer"... BS... It is more vulnerable than ever... It has an evil foriegn policy that just dares folks to attack us while not really knowing what to do if they do it... It has not taken the steps it could have to protect the borders or shipments coming into the country... What it has done is mess with ordinary citizens who might disagree with it's policies... This ain't "homeland security", it's politics...

Tell ya what, Dougie... Not that I would do this because I am a peacefull person who believes in non-violence but I could drive up to New Jersey with a friend, buy a clunker off some Honest Bill's Used Cars, take it to the nearest gas station to the Holland tunnel, skirt some extra gas in the back seat and follow my buddy into the tunnel, He comes to a stop. I stop, light the back seat, jump in his car and beat feet... Guess what? Hey, it might not be another 9/11 but it sho nuff would cause alot of injury and shut down New York City for a day 'er two...

Now I would never do that but if you think that other folks who might have a beef about our foriegn policy haven't htought of it and many other things that are doable... then think again...

We aren't really making America safer by whacking folks... Eventually they are going to whack back and guess what? All the billions going into the Department of Homeland Security won't mean jack...

And wait until Paul "Imperialist" Wolfowitz screws over a few Third World countries... His presidency of the World Bank is the main ingrediant in a recipe for disaster...

Mark my words...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 07:55 PM

Those programs don't protect anybody, DougR. They just create a whole lot of bureaucracy and job security for a bunch of bureaucrats while making it easier for the government to spy on civilians (the ultimate form of "big government"... not altogether unlike what existed under the communist regimes). And the Office of Special Plans is the agency that is responsible for providing the Bush administration with what the Bush administration has admitted was faulty "intelligence" that led to the US going to war with Iraq (at the cost of the lives of hundreds of US citizens).

More police on the streets and better security at ports and other vulnerable places, and better access to health care would go a long way toward protecting US citizens. But Bush doesn't want to fund those things.

I'll think of more examples as time permits.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 02:36 PM

Just because a government has a program in place does not mean that the program is necessarily in the best interests of its citizens, Doug.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 01:53 PM

Interesting that your suggestions for cutting programs are those designed to protect our citizens Carol. I look forward to reading more of your suggestions.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 12:40 PM

I'm sitting in a wi-fi cafe in Atlanta Georgia with JtS. We're killing some time before we head for an appointment, so I don't have much time to answer properly right now. But here's a start... The Patriot act, and all of its attendent bureaucracy, the Office of Special Plans. And also all of the billions of dollars that go toward funding "black ops" (secret operations that bypass congressional oversight). That would be a good start. But I can come up with a lot more when I get home.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 09:01 AM

Ahhhh, though you directed this to CatolC, Dougie, a good place to start would be not in what is cut but how it is paid for... The federal budget was doing quite nicely until yer guy decided that the rich weren't rich enough and gave them a big tax cut...

But, yeah, if you look at the recent budget it is filled with pork barrel spending in areas with Republican Congressmen (and women). It makes the Dems of old look like penny pinchers.

Then there's the totally screwed up foriegn policy based soley on hreatwhacking folks or threatening to whack them and it takes alot of money to maintain a "War" Department... Yeah, with a more sane foriegn policy, the US could save a couple hundred billion dollars a year easily and that ain't chicken scratch...

And, yeah, the US could quit this bad habit (in a free market) these no-bid contracts to Halliburton and Brown & Root... There another few billion...

And they could close the loopholes for corporate fat cats and put a tax on them for outsourcing US jobs overseas. Yeah, make it high enough so that the American workforce will be going to back to producing stuff. Tghis can only strengthen our country down the road. Tight now we are on a collision course with China and if push comes to shove, we won't have the manufacturing capabilites to defend ourselves in conflicts without just blowing everyone up with nukes. I don't think you want that but when our plants are all idle that is what can and will happen. This is how governemtn can and should be helping the country rather than meddling in peoples personal affairs...

Just MO opionion, of course. CarolC may have some other ideas fir ya as well.

BTW, Dougie, I really would like for you to talk with my Republican friend in Ohio. You two have a lot in common...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 01:46 AM

Jeeeze, Carol C., I didn't realize you are a proponent of reducing the size of government. I just never realized you were offended because the government was getting too big. Well, what programs would you propose cutting?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 11:07 PM

That's pretty amusing. DougR, Mudcat's most ardent supporter of bigger and bigger government, calling the rest of us, "lefties".

hahahahaha...

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 10:27 PM

Like, ahhhh, we need to go searchin', Dougie, about sruff to bitch about the Bushites???

Hey, maybe you will relate to this or maybe not but tonight I have have two conversations with a 60+ year old Republican on the phone. We know each other from a blues website and well, up until tonight, he has been a Bush man (like yourself) thru and thru...

Then this Terri Shivo case come up and he's like thinkin' real conservative here about just what role the US government has in intervening in personal family decisions and the *light comes on*...

So this 60+ year old Republican, who hates Clinton, tries to get thur to Rush Limbaugh who has been shilling for the Bush administration for years, and after telling the screeners what he has to say, is cut off!!! He told me that it happened twice...

Yeah, like I said, the light has come on in another 60+ year old died on the wool Republican and so there is hope for you...

If you would like, PM me ajnd I would be more than happy to hook you up with this guy so you all can have a fine old time bashin' Clinton (as if I care) but then he's gonna get around to yer guy... And this from a life long Republican...

Yeah, PM me, Dougie. I think you two need to talk...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:28 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:27 PM

"I think it was god that Wolfowitz was elected to head the World Bank."

Oh, Dr Freud . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:17 PM

I think it was god that Wolfowitz was elected to head the World Bank. It gives you lefties one more thing to bitch about. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 04:10 PM

Bingo, Carol. I remember now. You're right. It was Ashcroft I was thinking of.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 04:08 PM

Kissinger calls Wolfowitz, progressive

Well, he's certainly not conservative. But I think I would use the word "radical" rather than "progressive".

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 03:35 PM

Foxes call wolves predators and themselves diners.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 03:33 PM

Kissinger calls Wolfowitz, progressive!

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 02:17 PM

Wasn't Wolfowitz the guy who lost an election to a dead man?

No, I think that was Ashcroft. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think Wolfowitz has ever been elected to any position of public office. I think he's just one of the appointed cronies.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 02:09 PM

Wasn't Wolfowitz the guy who lost an election to a dead man?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 01:57 PM

Does anyone else see the humour in this.

Wolfowitz approving loans?

The guy who said the invasion of Iraq would be paid for by oil revenues. This isn't Bush attacking the poor. It is Bush attacking the World Bank. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 12:22 PM

( ...it's the global "Mr. Potter")

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 12:20 PM

I don't know if this will really change anything. As someone else has said before me, it just puts a public face on the policies they have been carrying out for a long time. It is a very distructive organization and always has been.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:54 AM

As the asteroid passed within the orbit of the Moon, the New York Times was speedily able to deliver their last, bulldog, edition.


"Planetoid Hits Earth - End Of The World - Women and Minorities Hardest Hit!"

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 07:04 PM

John Perkins, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 06:56 PM

Okay. lets put this thing in perspective.

The World Bank is like the corner loan shark so given Bush's (neocons0 agressive, imperialistic agenda it is no surprise that the king of loan sharks would get this job...

There is a book out entitled "Economic Hit Man", maybe someone remembers the name of the the author but it's written by a guy who worked for the World Bank and he tells about how the World Bank uses it's loans to enslave Third World countries and further the US foriegn policy of theft of other folks resources and labor...

Hey, I'm sure that Dougie isn't going to go out an' buy this book because folks like Dougie don't really want to know how it is that the US continues to consume a grossly disporportionate amount of the world's resources.

But we do. And it's no accident...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 06:27 PM

They weren't directed, Bruce. They were threatened and then extorted.

You know.

The American, ["democratic"] Way" Douggie's soooo proud of.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:47 PM

Allow me to correct that: Wolfowitz was elected by qualified voters at the direction of the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: gnu
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:45 PM

Hehehehehehehehehe.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:41 PM

Incidentially, brucie, you failed to mention in your introductory post that Woolfowitz was unanmously elected president by qualified voters. It's not an appointed position.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:39 PM

LOL

Don't lead with yer chin, Doug.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:37 PM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it brucie. It still fits.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:31 PM

Keriste, Doug, get a new line, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: gnu
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:27 PM

No, run for the lives of the poor and oppressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: DougR
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:23 PM

Right, brucie, gnu, Charley, robo, dianavan, the sky is definitely falling! Run for your lives!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: gnu
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:07 PM

When they mentioned Bono, I had this fleeting glimmer of hope, although I knew it could never be. But, this guy? It's like they dropped Bono's name so that this would be even more of a disappointment (no pun intended).

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 11:44 AM

So now we have the "wolf" guarding the chicken house. If you're not a friend of the Bush Administration, you better not bank on a loan.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 09:37 AM

Consult the writings of Wolfowitz.

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:39 AM

ooooooooooooooooooo
I feel the hot breath of the New World Order on my back. Does Wolfowitz come in packs?

Signs point to yessssss...

Hmmmm, consult Nostradamus or my Magic Eight Ball?

Subject: RE: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:54 PM

Actually, brucie, the World Bank has been controlling the economy of the world for a very long time. They are the supreme, unelected power brokers of the World. Wolfowitz is a natural. Its just that the whole process is becoming more transparent since they have nothing to fear from an uneducated and apathetic citizenry. Its been a long time coming.

Subject: BS: Wolfowitz president of world bank
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:34 PM

I can't find the thread from a few weeks back on this. However, this is a very scary and dark world we are about to enter. For the first time since the SCUD missile attacks on Israel--when I feared an Israeli nuclear retaliation to a chemical attack--I fear for the future of this world and its people. I believe we will look back on this day as the beginning of the end of the world we have come to know. The Neocons have just won an extremely important position from which they can engineer world domination. Had to happen on April Fool's Day didn't it?!