BS: Blame Bush for it all?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:15 AM

I agree. I also can't imagine being in a position trying to defend Clinton, either. The Democrats and Republicans suck pretty damn equally, IMO.

You say Iraq, I say Rwanda.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:29 AM

I have many reasons to be glad I'm not a republican. Can't imagine trying to defend this loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:15 AM

Ok, lets go with that scenario. You sort of pitch in, but what did your boss do?

If neither of you pitch in, you are both at fault. If you did but he didn't, he is at fault. Your boss cannot use the fact you were nearer or that he was the boss as a justification for inaction. If you pitched in but your boss didn't, what did he do when you showed signs of being overpowered as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,Slim Eric.
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:01 AM

O.K so here is the scenario! You are out walking the sidewalk with your boss...you are a public spirited citizen! You see a cop being beaten by two men...what do you do? I guess I would sort of pitch in and help the cop because thats in my nature O.K! I would not wait for my boss to ask me to or tell me to. You say the buck stops at Bush. Yes it does. BUT the reason for starting the thread was pehaps to say that many other organisations could have quickly pitched in to help without the big boss having to ask or tell them.
I aint a Bush lover I can tell ya but how accountable should someone be for anyone/everyone elses incompetence.
SE

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:27 PM

The magnitude of the George lie "no one expected..."
was laid bare on Meet the Press today when the LSU professors that prepared the NP disaster scenario and presented it to the Bush Administration 4 years ago and then presented the findings to the President last year and then told Washington 2 days before the storm that the scenario (code named Pam) was now a reality.

The professor still had the decorum to say he didn't buy Bush's response. It would have been better to have called GWB a bald face liar that ended up killing more people - again.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 10:36 PM

Republicans are all about personal accountability. Until they are the ones being held accountable.

Republicans are all about shrinking the size of the federal government. Until they are the ones governing.

Politics 101.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:38 PM

Deciding who to blame is a no-brainer.

Every CEO should accept that "The Buck Stops Here".

If the man in charge makes bad decisions, or no decisions, he cannot credibly blame the office boy for the outcome.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:31 PM

"Ninety percent of politics is deciding whom to blame."

-- Meg Greenfield

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:44 PM

It isn't accurate. The levees were already known to have broken by 5 am on Monday morning.

W is a shit-stirrer, pure and simple. Why people argue with someone who stubbornly refuses to accept widely known and agreed upon facts, I'll never know.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:39 PM

And the storm was long gone with the levees still intact

I don't think that's accurate - the point is, it took a little time after the storm died down before it became clear that the levees had been breached, and how badly. A bit like a shooting which is taken to be a flesh wound, and it only becomes clear after a little while that a vital organ has been danaged.
.....................

Personalising it on Bush avoids the fundamental issue - for years there's been a determined effort to undervalue the need for any kind of non-individualised or non-privatised services, brushing aside the notion that there are some things where individual and corporate solutions just do not meet the needs of society.

It happened in the UK as well, with Thatcher, and her famous assertion that "there is no such thing as society". The level of cutback of public services here never reached the level it appears to have reached in the States, thank God, but there are those who would like it to, and who see the USA as a role model for how things ought to be organised in this way. (And you find them in the Labour Party as well, just as you clealruy find them among the ranks of the Democrats.)

I don't think we'll be hearing too much from them on those lines for a while - and I would imagine that it won't be quite such an easy thing for those kind of ideas to hold popular support in the States either, in the light of what happened to New Orleans.

The point is, this isn't the doing of one man, it's the natural outcome of a fanatical and extreme ideology which has dominated political and economic and social thinking in the USA for a generation and more. Bush has just been doing what he was put there to do, and that includes not doing the things he was put there not to do. He's the monkey, not the organ grinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:32 PM

I am in no way being sarcastic when I say...don't let the screen door hit you in the ass on your way out, shit-stirring W.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:28 PM

Amos @ 12:15 PM - with regard to heavy sarcasm, I could not agree more. In my few days here in this forum, I have obviously picked up some bad habits. For that, I apologize. And to prevent such further offensive behavior on my part, I bid you adiue and take myself off to more gentle pastures.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:46 PM

Responsibility in Washington observes the "Plumbers' Rule": Shit flows downhill and payday's Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:39 PM

I believe the following statements to be true :

George Bush, more than almost anyone who has held the office of President in the last 50 years, lacks the leadership skills to execute the office. This is most apparent in a crisis, because he then clearly demonstrates the fact that he doesn't have a clue as to what to do.
George is a "bottom-line" guy, who relies on others to analyze the details, strategize a solution, and then convince him that's the way to go before he signs off. In a man with a clear grasp of the overall picture, this can be a plus. In George Bush's case, he has a general idea of what he thinks is "right" and that is the notion he clings to. There is no idea of a strategy for future action, other than "what we're doin' isn't perfect, so what we got to do is try to make it perfect."
Thus George is the titular "team leader" for the team that encompasses Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. What activity there is is generated from the team. Things that matter to the team (tax cuts, the War in Iraq, etc) get reviewed and strategized. Things that don't (nuclear proliferation, natural disaster response, etc) don't.
George doesn't hate black people. Some of his best friends are black. In the overall picture, they exist(like the rest of the hoi palloi) as somekind of background noise to the chugging of the economic engine, until something like a hurricane brings them to the forefront. People who see George's response as racially motivated are way to wrapped up into their own paranoid agenda to see the truth.
The Hurricane was an unprecedented natural disaster. It would have taken bold, intelligent action by any President to organize and mobilize a response in view of the infrastructure collapse. George ain't that guy.
It is clear that no one was prepared on a local, state, or federal level to repond to a challenge of this caliber. What was the Mayor's plan beyond getting everyone to the Superdome? If he had a plan, it certainly isn't clear what it was. If he had been told the state or federal governments had a plan and then failed to carry it out, I haven't heard that either. If your city was in the crosshairs of a Category 5 storm, wouldn't you make it your business to know how 20,000 people were going to be fed and watered at the Superdome for at least three days after the storm? Or does responsibility getted passed on up the line?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:19 PM

According to President Trueman "The buck stops here." Dubya does not except responibility for any failures in his faulty regieme. Dubya fostered the 80% defunding of the levee strengthening project in New Orleans. Dubya appointed Micheal Brown as the head of FEMA after considering a falsified resume. Dubya didn't take seriously the threat of airplanes attacking important buildings in big American cities. He was on vacation when he recieved that headsup but Dubya went fishing. 911 happened because Dubya went fishing!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:10 PM

pdq-and your point is?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM

...apologies to Woody Guthrie...

"some folks carry out assassinations with a six gun, others with a fountain pen"

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:55 PM

Here's a link to that Newsweek article:

Newsweek article: How Bush Blew It

Peace: That's tellin them! I would laugh but it's all so awful.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:48 PM

Before anyone else says it, please allow me: "Newsweek" is filled with left-wing propaganda and its writers are all pro-Democrats or closet communists. (Just doin' a little anticipatin' there.)

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:46 PM

Here are excerpts from the latest Newsweek magazine. The title of the article about Bush's handling of the Hurricane Katrina crisis:

"...Describing bush's reaction to Blanco's urgent phone plea for help]: "There are a number of steps Bush could have taken, short of a full-scale federal takeover, like ordering the military to take over the pitiful and (by now) largely broken emergency communications system throughout the region. But the president, who was in San Diego preparing to give a speech the next day on the war in Iraq, went to bed."

He just went to bed. Ouch. I mean OUCH. I think even Nixon and Carter, who would have little empathy for presidents feeling the lash of the media, would have to cringe at this one.

The Newsweek article concludes with an account of the meeting on Air Force One on the tarmac of New Orleans airport. It is Karl Rove's worst nightmare. Years of assiduously cultivating an image of bush as bold leader, the taciturn but decisive cowboy, are utterly vaporized within two paragraphs.

Various local officials are detailing their greivances to bush about the lack of federal response. bush repeatedly, and blithely, reacts to their complains by turning to aides and instructing them to "fix it." But then the discussion bogs down in a "fraught discussion" of authority. The image Newsweek has painted of this scene on Air Force One is one of aimlessness, absolute fecklessness; a situation crying out for leadership. Someone who'd slam their fist on the goddamn burnished oak conference table on AF1 and shout "We just need to cut through this and do what it takes to have a more-controlled command structure. If that means federalizing it, let's do it."

In fact, that's exactly what happened, according to Newsweek. Was this bush addressing WH staff, local officials, or the entire congintent? No. It as Mayor Ray Nagin addressing bush.

Nagin then suggests that Gen. Honore be put in charge. Newsweek quotes bush, seemingly ever more passive, turning to Blanco and saying "well, what do you think of that Governor?" Blanco responds by saying that she'd rather discuss the issue with bush in private. Again, according to Newsweek, it is Nagin who pushes the aimless agenda forward, saying to bush and Blanco "well why don't you do that now." Blanco and bush then dutifully repair to privacy at their subordinate's command.

The article concludes with the following paragraph:

"Late last week, Bush was, by some accounts, down and angry. But another Bush aide described the atmosphere inside the White House as "strangely surreal and almost detached." At one meeting described by this insider, officials were oddly self-congratulatory, perhaps in an effort to buck each other up. Life inside a bunker can be strange, especially in defeat."

By the way, the title of the Newsweek article is "How Bush Blew It."

Source: Newsweek Castrates Bush
by Thomas C ; DailyKos; Sun Sep 11th, 2005

For complete diary and comments, click
How Bush Blew It

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:42 PM

". . . you can't blame them [Homeland Security] for the people the Bush administration put in charge of FEMA since that time."

CarolC, it comes as a real surprise to me that someone with your intelligence thinks anyone is in charge at FEMA.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:16 PM

And we all know how well the $2000 debit cards from FEMA plan worked out...

The buck stops with the man in charge. If those he appoint fail the nation in the discharge of their duties, for whatever reason, it is his job to sack them. Not "call them home". Sack their sorry ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:58 PM

Even some former members of the Bush administration have said that the main fault lies with what the Bush administration has done to remove FEMA's effectiveness. Even if you can point the finger at some Democrats (as well as Republicans) in Congress for putting FEMA under the direction of the Dept. of Homeland Security, you can't blame them for the people the Bush administration put in charge of FEMA since that time. Experienced emergency management experts agree that the people who have been responsible for FEMA since 9/11 are not qualified to do the job, and that they are doing a very bad job. They also point to lack of funding for emergency management (due to moneys being diverted to the "war on terror") as being responsible.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:47 PM

Bush is president of the US. He is responsible for what happens to the nation on his watch, whether personally "to blame" or not--it comes with the territory of being the most powerful man in the world. If he can't take it, he has no business being president of the US.

It is that simple. The buck stops with the man in charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:15 PM

Clear thinking types who consider heavy sarcasm as the ultimate in rational exchange of idea? What a pathetic misnomer. And how typical of those who adhere blindly to the often-tyrannical dogmatism of the current Administration, with their rote party-approved, offically-published "talking points". How asinine.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:05 PM

"W" et al. Bushites---

Florida and Louisiana had different governors. Brilliant observation, Go to the head of the class.

You mean you actually read my post?

Exactly my point. One was the "president's" brother. One wasn't.   Can you tell which is which?

And that fact, combined with the other fact that 2004 in Florida is vastly different, from a political standpoint, from 2005 in Lousiana, heavily influenced the federal response both times.

And people died as a result.

And that's despicable.

You would have noted, if you actually had read my post carefully, that there is in fact, no ethnic reference--I reject the racist conspiracy theory..

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 10:39 AM

Thanks for the above post, Freda. We now know what the source of your news is and thusly the information for your subsequent posts.

You just cleared up a lot for we clear thinking types.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:38 AM

How many folks have been watching the mini-series on HBO called 'Rome?' Amazingly, exciting episode this week -- Rome is burning while Nero refuses to cut his vacation short. And don't miss next week's episode when FEMA shows up a week late at Pompeii." --David Letterman

"Although the waters have receded from New Orleans, it's still a huge, huge problem and will be for months to come. You see the fresh water is contaminated with oil and gas. Actually, from Dick Cheney's perspective, the oil and gas is contaminated with fresh water." -Jay Leno

"As you know, FEMA stands for 'Fix Everything My Ass.'" --Jay Leno

"Even President Bush, almost a week later, President Bush said his administration's response to Katrina was unacceptable. Then he said 'Hey, don't blame me, I was on vacation.'" --Jay Leno

"Although, to his credit, President Bush did respond quickly and he did send troops as soon as he found out Louisiana had oil." --Jay Leno

Did you know you don't even have to be a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court? You don't even have to be a lawyer. Just like you don't have to be an emergency expert to work for FEMA." --Jay Leno

"Celine Dion criticized President Bush for the slow evacuation of New Orleans. Yeah, Celine said I could have driven everyone out of that city in two songs." --Conan O'Brien

"Welcome to the Late Show. I am so glad you people are here, because last night what an awful audience, oh, my God. Remember those people? What a horrible audience, and I hate talking about people when they're not here, but God, I thought it was the Bush Administration, because...they were so slow to respond." --David Letterman

"By the way, if you want to help the victims hit hardest by hurricane Katrina, Fox news has posted the Web site of the Republican National Committee." --Bill Maher

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:09 AM

No spin, just a fact or two. And we all new about what would happen if a 4 or 5 hit NOLA.Known for decades.

And "where was Bush 15 years ago?" Probably watching WJC preparing to get elected. What did WJC do for NOLA?

We do have something in common; I, too, am an old used up tree hugger.
Many, many years and am not too sure what I have to show for it. Maybe a little.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 08:46 AM

Spin it any way you want. W has failed at everything he ever tried, and he is still failing.

I predicted 15 years ago that this was going to happen. The gulf of Mexico has been warming up for years, and that means more and more violent hurricanes. Where was Bush 15 years ago?

I told my youngest daughter that New Orleans is very vulnerable and if they get hit with a category 4 or 5 hurricane they will be wiped out. They only thing protecting them is a big dike. She, being a bit young, said "I'd hate to tangle with her!"

15 years ago. But, I'm just a used up old tree hugger. What do I know?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 08:05 AM

kendall, give it a rest orstart reading more. The money was for
raising the levees, NOT repairing them. And the storm was long gone with the levees still intact so naturally no one expected them to break after the storm had passed. The general thought was thet remained intact which thet did for some time.

Maybe getting your info from the likes of Katie is your problem. Remember, she is the one that said she "had to take out a loan to fill her SUV"? Well, maybe that is true - she could be bad at budgeting in spite of her $7,000,000 annual salary.

And I am still open to investigation of the FEMA process. Just keep in mind it was the Democratic side of the House that insisted it be incorporated into Homeland Security.

Additionally, why not check out the actions of the LA state Homeland Security Agency which operates independently and see what they might have contributed to help create the confusion. (Dare you)

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:40 AM

Without putting too fine a point on it, consider this. Bush gets the blame because he 1. Put a horse club official in charge of FEMA. His resume' was flawed, he did not teach at that school, he was a student.
He had no clue what to do, he is a political hack.
2. Bush slashed funding for levee repairs then had the balls to say on national TV that no one could have predicted their breaking! And, Katie Couric didn't have the sense to question him!
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!!

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:13 AM

And while all the focus on NOLA? The damage to the east is much greater and the lack of info regarding the Bayous is almost criminal.
This has truned into a blame game by the media and some radical left bloggers. When the has cleared and the facts are known, I wonder what the media will say then?

Bobert, mgs stuff wasn't bad and he posts in complete sentences too.

Why are you such a jerk?

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:06 AM

First, FL and LA had different Governors.

Secondly, get off the ethnic crap - besides, FL has a high ratio.

Thirdly, The Coast Guard was in NOLA on day one and you never said much about FEMA getting to Port Charlotte for 3 weeks after Hugo. But, there was a different party in the White House then.
And the statement, "no one expected the Levees to break". They DIDNOT until after Katrina was well North.

Bobert, stay out of the sauce!

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:00 AM

Me too, weelittle-d... The Dems just can't seem to get the first punch in with Karl Rove...

I'd just like them to spend a little microphone money and put someone in Amwerica's living room askin' why it is that Rove's gang has to constantly lie to folks???

The highlight of the Kerry campaign is when the microphone was accidently left on and you could here him tellin' someone that Bush's gang was a bunch of crooks...

Time to take the gloves off...

Ain't nuthin' purdy about politics...

Ask Karl Rove...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:34 AM

well if you select someone who looks like herman Munster and ask him to tell jokes on the letterman show, and he gets the endings wrong - it IS going to to be noticed.

I wasn't really fan of bush and the democrat campaign filled me with dismay.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:33 AM

Moreover, when sizable parts of the campaigns are given over to whether George Bush looks more like a monkey than Kerry looks like Hermann Munster, or when candidates disappear from the approved list because someone doesn't like the way they shout occasionally, it does not look like particularly intelligent way to come up with effective government. Let he who did not comment on the appearance of the other candidate cast the first stone ...

(Few, if any, countries in the world are much better. And, by and large, those which are are trying not to be.)

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:06 AM

your circumstances must indeed be bad, to go looking for a dvd player(which you can buy for twenty quid) in those circumstances.

I guess you know how many domestic terrorists you've got. Of course one could argue that Dubya should have done something about that - prior to all this flooding.

But it would have cost money, and if you're promising at ever verse ending not to raise tax - you simply can't do what what demonstrably needs doing.

We have similar governments in our country - don't worry- i'm not fingerpointing at George - just pointing out the obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 11:09 PM

Why Karl Rove wants to ask this question...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushathon2.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 11:08 PM

What a load of Fox crap, mg... Turn to other stations... It has been 4 days now since the snipers-shootin'-at-doctors crap has been copmpletely debunked...

Turn off Fox and join the real world!!!

What a load of crap...;

Garbage in, garbage out...;

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: mg
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:55 PM

If he appointed that idiot of FEMA and the probable idiot in Homeland Security which should now be renamed I will put a huge amount of the blame on him. I will vote for his impeachment if I can be assured Cheney won't take over. I don't care if he is compassionate personally or not. Gross incompetence appointing a lawyer to head an agency like this. Needs someone with the mind and skills of an engineer. And what is the worst is not the incompetence and bungling, which you have to expect some of but the obstructionism of keeping rescuers with private boats etc. out and trucks with food and water out. And hospital ships out to sea with crews of sailors on them waiting to be used. One was an amphibious landing ship...dear God in heaven...what bumbling idiots we can all be. And then sending in the 82nd Airborne a week late to poke around and GPS dead bodies when they were standing by immediately and should have been dropped into the hospital areas to shoot and kill the armed thugs and rapists and snipers trying to bring down the rescue helicopters and boats. And to take care (read my lips shoot and kill)of the terrorists in the superdome. He had General Powell he could have called for advice or sent close to the area...Hell, he could have gotten my number and i could have certainly told him some things to do. Drop boats into the area you idiot. A lot of people could have rescued themselves...

ButI ;won't give him all the blame. I will blame also those who apologize for the drug users and are enablers of crime and low-life living. That was a huge part of the problem. The thugs and drug seekers holding the rescue operation hostage. Poverty does not mean you have rape to 7 year olds now does it? It doesn't mean you have to develop a drug habit which is bad enough for the neighborhood and the city in normal times, but in crisis what do you do? I am asking our local pharmacist what we would do here with a huge meth problem....I am not talking about looting DVRs here..that i would deal with by long bouts of community service...but the domestic terrorists who have held neighborhoods in their thrall for way too long...

This was a situation that called for simple boat rescues in calm weather and shallow water. Where were all the f'n boats? Where was the Navy/ Where were the local remnants of the yacht clubs/ I know fish and wildlife was there...and probably the others..I just catch snatchews of tv so i don't know....helicopters s of course did a heroic job but they aren't always there when you need them and require pilots of course...this was a situation where hundreds of plastic rowboats rowed by the people themselves would have relieved a lot of the suffering....row, walk as far as you can...row again..teams of ferries..that is the sitaution as I saw it...water, dry freeway for a while, water, dry..eventually dry land...
mg

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:41 PM

Good point, Donuel...

Yeah, Katrl Rove wants folks to think that all parties are of equal blame... But problem is there is only one party that is responsible for regional crisis: the Feds!!!

But, yeah, Kar4l Rove will continue to sidestep this fact... He will aslo have his parrots go oput and attack Democrats in Mississippi and Lousiana...

Normal fir Karl Rove... Attack yer opponent's strenght...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:02 PM

The question "blame it all" is one a 10 year old might ask.
If a 10 year old did not ask it then the education level and motives of the individual are in question.

Unlike the poster of hatred, I did not call anyone inferior.

Refusing to answer the question of who one is speaking to is just immature and rude.



PS

It is relevant and important that when children do ask questions here, that they are given respect and a common ground of language that they will understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 09:53 PM

OK "W"--

How about contrasting the federal response this time with the response to the 2004 Florida hurricanes---just a few months before the election--in Florida--which especially considering what happened in 2000, Bush was determined to have in his column?

Brother Jeb had all the assistance he could possibly want, with federal officials constantly asking him if there was anything they could do For some reason there was no insistance on making exactly the prescribed phone call or filling out the prescribed form. Or if there was, a federal contact was always standing by ready to tell Jeb exactly what to do. No bureaucratic games of "in order to get federal assistance, you must say "Mother may I?" "Sorry, you didn't say it".

Now why could this possibly be? I'm not one who sees a racist plot in this.   But the conclusion is inescapable that the political situation is vastly different this year. I suspect that even with a Democratic governor in Louisiana, the federal response would have been vastly different in 2004. Bush would have been perfectly ready to do whatever was necessary to save black folks, white folks, rich folks, poor folks--after all, they're all potential voters, whose gratitude he might possibly need in November.

However, in 2005, he'll never run again. No great burning need to help out a Democratic governor. How many of the people left in New Orleans after those who can evacuate under their own steam have done so are likely Bushites? So, it seems likely, or more than likely, that the same kind of hand-holding, guiding through whatever prescribed channels, etc, wasn't done, as was done in Florida.

So people died.

Quite likely......and despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:52 PM

Me too. I figure he's gotta put on a good show. Clinton, I mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:51 PM

BS, GUEST...

Yeah, I bought three buildings.. So what.. They all need work and I'm gonna be the one the treches doin' it... If everything goes right in a couple years I'll be gettin' an income from them that will put me in the bottom 25% of American wage earners... That's if everything goes right...

Lotta room fir error here and I might end up havin' to work at Boss Hoh's Widget Factory until the day I die...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:51 PM

The above post refers to Clinton Hammond.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:50 PM

I hope to see/hear that guy live one of these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:50 PM

And the people who voted for him. I'm sure lots of them are good people who had all kinds of good intentions in doing so. Those would be the ones who are feeling a bit sick to their stomach now when they think what they did.

In fact I suspect that the same phenomena may be occurring and perhaps confusing the opinion polls as the one that that occurred in the UK in the dying days of the Tory hegemony. At that time it became clear that the number of people who admitted to having voted Tory, when it came to opinion polls, was very much lower than the number who actually had done so. People weren't so much lying as experiencing a kind of protective amnesia.

I suspect that might be a factor in that incredible figure I quoted in a post in another thread, which had 74% of Republicans indicated as thinking Bush was doing a great job in responding to the New Orleans disaster, at a time when it was patently clear that no effective Federal help at all was getting through, in face of appalling scenes being shown on every TV news bulletin.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:43 PM

Oh...gawd...

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:41 PM

Tangled Up In Green
Clinton Hammond

Early one morning the sun was shining
I was lying in bed
But it was March 17th, St. Patrick's day
I had a song going through my head
It went "Too-ra-loo-ra-laddie. Mush-a-ring-rumma-do-rumma-da"
"Her eyes they shone like the diamonds"
Someone shouted "And she was"
The crowd was line up around the block
But this wasn't unforeseen
We'd done the same thing the year before
So up the stairs I did careen
Stopping once to preen
Tangled up in green

There are plastic hats and temp tattoos
There's food colouring in the beer
Every shade of green you've seen
Has apparently gathered here
There's young girls winking at me
But I wish they wouldn't call me "sir"
They laugh and sing and clap their hands
But make me feel like the voyeur
Cause she pouts her lips and slys-her eyes
Like I didn't have grey in my beard
She locks my stare while she's kissing him
and it feels more than a little weird
and pleasantly obscene
Tangled up in green

It'd be a fine day for a wedding or wake
Or even conceiving a child
But like Brian Boru at Clontarf field
We let our Inner Celt run wild
It doesn't' matter where you're from
Or what your birth certificates say
You might even come from Mars
But the whole world's Irish today
I've humped gear in and I've humped it out
and I've humped it back in again
Upstairs, downstairs, forth and back
Till I thought I might go insane
at least that's how it seems
But I'm tangled up in green

So now I've got back home again
Sorta rode hard and put up wet
Seems I've survived one more year
The lies, the cajoles and the threats
My voice feels like broken glass
I smell like a Wookies left nut
I say every year's gonna be the last
But I'm such a folk-music slut
I'll do it all again next year
Hept up on smokes and caffeine
So I can get back to my Guinness keg
and a big mug of poteen
Here in my shebeen
Counting out my greeeeeeen!
It used to be YOUR Greeen....
Now it's all MY Greeeen!

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:40 PM

The economic scandal may be linked to his song "Tangled Up in Green". Good eye, LH. Say NOTHING to the Feds.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:38 PM

I think we need to look further into the crucial Clinton Hammond factor...

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:35 PM

It's a tough one - you can't blame Bush for acts of God, how ever much you'd like to.

And if he didn't know what to do - well nothing on this scale has happened before. I think most people knew when they voted for him, he wasn't the brightest President you're likely to have. The ones on this site seemed to hope that he was perhaps the most likely to pursue your country's enemies and make them feel like the prey rather than yourselves.

Politicians often do court disaster by not raising the taxes for necessary work. And frequently they escape being called to account for it. for example our own dear Mrs Thatcher made the defence cuts that made the Argentinians think we would be a pushover when they marched into the Falklands.

One thing is sure. prior to your election, we heard a lot of sneering snotty remarks from the Republicans about wage packets being plundered by the Democrooks - (i think that was the invective) - and someone at some level has been lying to you about how much the infrastructure of your country can be neglected.

Of course if you enjoy or don't mind being lied to, that's the voters prerogative.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:12 PM

"Bush is just a focus for blame. The true blame lies with the faceless ones who own him."

Indeed and Amen to that, Brother John.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:10 PM

Bobert - nice try at your coverup but it is not working. You have been on a roll with buying and selling buildings so it appears you are just trying to hide the fact that YOU are one of the moneyed ones
but are trying to hide the fact that you and Georgie are of the same ilk.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: John O'L
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:08 PM

Bush is just a focus for blame. The true blame lies with the faceless ones who own him.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:04 PM

Well, George Bus is just a symbol of wropngness thinkin' so, yeah, he should get the bulk of the blame... Is he the only one who deserves it? No... But, as a symbol' he is goin' to be the one who is going to have to take it...

Face it, the American people are getting increasing dienchanted with being lied to and being ripped off by Bush and the folks who surround him...

He, and they, haven't done very much that have benefited the average American... It really doesn't matter which policy you look at because Bush and his croonies have consistently gone with policies that favor those with money over policies that help the country in general...

I keep thinkin' that one day he will actually do something for the country other than bleed it dry...

I mean, I would challenge anyone to show me one proactive program that Bush and Co. have put into law that is pro-American... I don't mean pro Boss Hog... I mean pro-American...

And don't evn begin with "No Child Left Behind" because if you won't write the checks to fund it then it was no more than a big ol' Republican circle jerk!!!

Yeah, name me one... Just one???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:03 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:03 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:02 PM

Donuel, you and Davis are a piece of work. After reading much of your crap, I don't think you need to be concerned about education level of anyone. That is insulting to bring up and demonstrates your lack of
fear of us finding out just how inferior you are.
Don't worry, we can tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,W
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:57 PM

No! However, we don't know enough to ascertain what really happened. If one is a Bush hater for whatever reason i.e. hates Texans, doesn't like Presidents who are not 'smooth talking politicians, does'nt
care to work and keep much of their earnings or perhaps thinks Socialism is a good path, then you can get a lot blaming Bush.

The point is we must wait - gather the facts and then decide. What many are forgetting is the fact that the Feds can not rush into any state without that States permission. Most of the problem appears to be that the Mayor did not follow the Disaster plan and the Governor was too hesitant and not capable of making good decisions. Keep in mind that the "first responders" are those within the state. FEMA has always been known to have a 72 to 96 hour response time. The possibility of it being slow may have to do with its' incorporation into "Homeland Security". Which, if thet would only check, the Bush haters hear would find this was a condition of the Democrats in Congress. Congress ir the group that decides the final plan.

Print my little diatribe and wait to see how much is true.
We can't depend on the Blogs of the world, Right or Left, to be completey true.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:51 PM

IF I knew you age and education level I could explain it to you in terms you could best understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:49 PM

No, of course it's not all his fault. He is partly to blame, and so are many others. His general Iraq war and War on Terrorism policies are partly to blame for diverting resources and weakening various possible responses to Katrina.

To blame any ONE person for the aftermath of this disaster would be foolish.

(Unless you blame Clinton Hammond for it!) (that was a joke)

Subject: BS: Blame Bush for it all?
From: GUEST,Slim Eric
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:43 PM

It is so easy for anyone to single out one person (in this case The Right Honourable President Georgey Bushey) to blame for problems. BUT what about all the other people who could have done something? Are they not equally to blame? Does NO-ONE else accept blame for all that went wrong with New Orleans (and other probs in the US of A.?) Is it really all Georgeys fault? Tell me!