BS: Thanks, computer advice worked

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:30 PM

(that link is to a set of posts....a thread...in the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup, and the originator, who identifies himself as /CoMa is one of the respected 'elder statesmen' of the group.)

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 12:27 PM

in this case, gargoyle might have something! I have seen C(rap)CLleaner recommended here but have not tried it myself yet....one more to explore)

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 09:36 PM

Ahhhhh - arn't WIFES convenient dumping grounds????

Give her a hug, thank her profushly, and never again mention "the system" unless it is in a truly positive THANK YOU.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 09:21 PM

Sorry the threads are so long...and the advice so limited.

Install (and use) CCleaner - in a paraphsese of Lord Badin Powell - "KYBO" keep your bowels open therefore, dump once a day.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

being New Year's Eve some of the laugher-inside-joke-kittens might be at the controls....Hope the advice arrives....kittens have deleated 50/50 of my last week's postings.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 08:24 PM

John & Bill thanks to you both.
I think what I did was do a couple badly timed system restores and it doubled up or screwed up norton the evil temp 169... is norton.
Download is again non functional.

My wife got me this Me lowest grade operating system which does not have convenient features such as replace certain window files.
Even Gateway advisors were surprised to learn how bare bones this operating system is. I once had a fix IE tab appear but it too bit the dust and has not been seen in some time.

I'll copy onto disks the many programs required to remove Norton and go to McAfee and load in on this puter to kill the beast once and for all. If things don't improve I'll format a new hard drive for the new year.

Thanks again

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:12 PM

Bill D

You might be interested in AddOns that Work with IE. This is Mickey's official list of suggested "other source" goodies. There's a fair number of "browsing" suggestions linked there.

If nothing else, it's a good tactical plan to know as much as possible about the enemy.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 12:00 PM

John...when I have a lot of anything to delete, I use (as you might expect *grin*) a different file manager than Explorer...'usually' PowerDesk, which has an option to use the key combination 'shift/delete' and bypasses the trash bin and permanently deletes them....if they are sensitive files (seldom the case), I have options to delete and wipe (overwrite with random characters a chosen # of times).

I prefer the shift/delete method, because it is one less thing to remember and I don't discover my trash bin is full.

There is also a standalone program called "EmptyTemp" which has settings to empty folders YOU specify on a schedule you specify...(I get these things in place, then often forget they are there or where I put them, as they just keep working in the background and I no longer see the problem.)

I know it seems like extra complications and stuff to remember and install and juggle for many people who want this computer stuff to be as simple and non-confusing as possible....but I treat it like maintaining my car and owning things like tire gauges and a few wrenches and learning to replace windshield wipers....there is a slight learning curve, but it can be worth it.

(This hobby/habit of mine of digging up 'extra' little programs is not intended to come close to the level that John in Kansas works with in understanding 'how' computers work and knowing deeper technical details...it is just a way of smoothing out the daily hassles of using this technology and finding out what various experts have created to make 'driving a PC' a bit easier and safer...and sometimes more fun!)

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:25 AM

Donuel

it can not be found on file search.

Win Explorer should be able to find it if you're set to "Show Hidden Files" (In Win Explorer Tools|Folder Options on the "View" Tab in WinXP). In WinXP, when you set up the search, you have to click on the "Mmore Advanced Options" and tell it to include "Search for hidden and system files."

John

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:09 AM

Bill D -

The setting in IE to delete temps on exit apparently only works for the current session, and sometimes doesn't do too good a job. It helps, but even with this setting an occasional "cleanup" may be needed. Disk Cleanup also seems to miss lots of temps if they get left over from old sessions.

For WinXP, (with similar procedures under different names for other versions):

In Windows Explorer, go to C:\ (or the Root Folder of the drive where you're OS and Temps should be). Make sure the root folder is selected, then click the Search Button. Search for "All files and folders" for filenames including "*.tmp" (omit the quotes) and make sure that in Advanced Settings "Search Hidden and System Files" and "Search Subfolders" are selected.

You can select and delete any .tmp files found directly in the search results window, regardless of where they're found. You cannot delete any file that's open or in use, so select a few and hit delete, then move on to the next selection omitting selection of any that weren't removed. After a few deletions WinExplorer sometimes gets "confused" and gives an error message. Go to your trash bin and empty it so that a new search won't find the stuff you've already deleted, then just rerun the search (to regenerate the list) and continue deleting.

When all the .tmp files that aren't in use have been cleared, empty the trashcan and repeat using "filenames containing ~*.* and you may pick up a few more.

If there were a lot of temps accumulated, a reboot after deleting them would probably be a good idea.

I recently got an error message claiming "insufficient memory" that I found was due to the accumulation of some 700+ temp files, even with frequent use of "normal" disk cleanup and settings to clear temps on close.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 10:34 AM

Norton sucks

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 03:38 AM

Donuel -

I don't know what version of Windows you're using, but if you have your installation disks, in recent versions you can go to Start | Settings | Control Panel |Add/Remove Programs and there should be a selection, often on a sidebar, for "Add/Remove Windows Components." If you click there, and select what components you want installed you get what amounts to a "reinstall" of Windows. It should replace only component files that are missing or corrupted in components you had, so it doesn't usually make major changes in your setup.

The point here is that if IE components that are needed for Windows functions are missing, they should be replaced.

Once you get a "functional" IE, you can go to the Microsoft Download Center and download the latest version of IE (6.0 SP1) from Microsoft and pretty much get all current IE Security Patches all in one shot if you're using something other than WinXP. If you're using WinXP, the latest IE is included in WinXP SP2.

Because IE is at least "partially turned on" in Windows even if you're using another browser, getting the latest IE version and patches is highly recommended, even if you don't intend to use it to browse.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Gurney
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 02:47 AM

If you have an early copy of IE, such as I had, you may find, as I did, that it will not update. I had to get a later edition from a coverdisk, which WOULD update. (I had 3, found 5.5)
Reinstalling can be irritating. 3 is the version on my 98SE disk.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 04:08 PM

crap

C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\16491535356 is back and gumming up the works.

Is there no way to delete it? I've tried
it can not be found on file search.
maybe its a norton thing thats corrupted.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM

I'll try it. I have about 14 temporary IE folders. I deleted the contents by about 70% manually in about 5 hours.
IE works albeit like a snail, maybe I have two Nortons fighting each other. At least I can download updates now.



{{{{{What still doesn't work is scan disk as well as defrag.}}}}}



Getting a new hard drive and saving the original HD and backups is probably the way I'll go just to be on the safe side to keep art data.

It toasts my cookies that Microsoft insists I buy another operating system even though I already own a XP set of disks from another computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:04 PM

Donuel....I found this:

"In IE6, go to Tools/Internet Options/Advanced; scroll down to Security and
check "Empty Temporary Internet Files Folder when browser is closed."

If you do get IE back, that should eliminate a lot of the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:58 AM

Thanks for posting, Donuel. You've taught me some new things.

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:56 AM

Netscape and firefox/mozila are mostly the same thing

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:07 AM

I'd go with the Firefox option, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:58 AM

You might want to visit the Microsoft site and run a general update of your current programs. There may be a number of patches that will be put in the right places that you will benefit from.

Don't forget to defrag after removing all of those files.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:27 AM

There was also a temp file that had changed my computer settings.
I don't know if it was malicious and didn't know operating system patches could work from temp files.

The big difference is now I can download again.

Subject: BS: Thanks, computer advice worked
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:18 AM

One of the remedies suggested was remove ome Temporary Interent Files.

The Internet option tab to remove temp files did not work
I had to search the files C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
and then remove blocks of 75 megs at a time to get the job done.

My computer had saved every single page I had ever looked at in the last 5 years. That was over 100,000 pages, pictures and all.

It was cool to view the poems and drawings I had made on websites that I am now banned from and not even permitted to recover my work.
Whhoop there they were.

The Windows partion of my computer was so crowded it had few resorces left to do certain things.


My main problem however is that Microsoft does not seem to allow me to download the entire Internet Explorer so that I may replace/repair it.

Maybe I should just go back to Navigator or give Firefox a try.