BS: Crown Chakra Problems

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Mr Happy
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 09:55 AM

Jack and Jill went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water
Jack fell down and broke his crown
And Jill came tumbling after

Up Jack got and home did trot
As fast as he could caper
He went to bed and bound his head
With vinegar and brown paper

...possible remedy for damaged crown??

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems or Diabetes?
From: GUEST,Alianther
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 11:38 AM

Dewey,

You mention in your post that you take insulin. Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness in the west.

If I were you I would consider medical rather than mystical causes for the things you are seeing. In other words GO AND SEE A DOCTOR!!!

Do not piss around with this. Don't see a 'healer', don't get your aura cleansed. See a real doctor and do it soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 09:11 PM

Went blind doing 110 on a highway. Fortunately, where I live has 'strips' of rough pavement that lets you know when you are going off the road to the right-hand side. I found that strip and stayed there until the car came to a stop. It was real exciting for a few moments.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 07:38 PM

Metchosin: I too have experienced an ocular migraine. The first time I had it, it scared me; I thought I was going blind, or having a stroke or something. I called my HMO, and during the fifteen minutes that I waited for the doctor to call me back, it went away. He told me it was harmless, nothing to worry about. However, it seems to me it could have been deadly if I had been driving on the freeway at the time! Nearly half my field of vision suddenly disappeared, replaced by a huge blank area with shimmering colors around the edges. Yeah, it's entertaining, provided you don't need to see anything while it's happening!

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Metchosin
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 11:54 AM

Wow!.... and all these years I thought I had migraines. Do you think that because I no longer experience a headache with my beautiful purple, silver and gold visual auras, that I may have become enlightened?

Seriously Dewey, before you attach some religious significance to it, get checked out by a physcian. Ocular migraines do not necessarily produce headaches, but they are very beautiful to look at, if you don't have something more pressing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 04:00 AM

Mass hysteria is not unknown.

In the meantime, if you are seeing things get a health check.

I re- read Oliver Sacks' "An Anthropologist on Mars" last night, because of this thread. One of the cases was a young man who joined the Hare Krishna cult in the late 60s. He was one of their star converts, he gradually became more and more detatched, meditated constantly, and lost all desires. His eyesight also dimmed, which was interpreted as being replaced by his inner light. To cut the story short, it was eventually found that he had a grapefruit- sized brain tumour which had destroyed his sight centres, and worse still his ability to form memories. He never recovered either.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 03:18 AM

If Dewey at first didn't know what was appearing and quote " had to look it up to find out " what did he/she look up ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:04 PM

& here's a pic of crown chakra:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sahasrara.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:00 PM

more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:58 PM

I seriously suspect that Richard is badly underestimating the number of people who see and manage chakras and other manifestations describe by strange Hindi terms. It is not a few, by any means.

I don't know about the traditional definitions, but I am inclined to believe that there is some phenomenon being talked about whether the definitions are good or poor.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: bobad
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:52 PM

Nice pictures anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:49 PM

well, DANG! they got pictures of 'em, so I guess they must be real!

I wouldn't want to argue with evidence like that!

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: bobad
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:44 PM

Whenever my wife gives me grief for "checking out the merchandise" I tell her I'm just checking out her chakras.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:30 PM

Maybe lots of people have seen Chakras, but didn't realise that is what they were seeing.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:03 PM

"My mind is made up....don't confuse me with reason."

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:32 PM

Actually, guest, we surely generally accept that dreams are not real. But for your information the cars in my dreams are not usually blue, nor have wire wheels. One or two are Bentley Racing Green (usually inaccurately called British Racing Green which is a light green like Connaught used to race in), but red also pops up. One is rather like the V8 interceptor in Mad Max 1, with the raised GMC supercharger.

So, LH, the fact that a few people see something is not evidence, and neither is the fact that a lot of people see it isn't there? "As I was going down the stair, I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today, I wish that he would go away". I'm a practical sort of bloke (for a lawyer) and this is getting too philosphical for me. Show me one, and I'll ask if I am hallucinating and depending on my answer to myself believe in it. Show me an experiment that demonstrates the existence of one, with repeatable concrete evidence and I'll believe in one.

Even give me a good reason to believe in one and I'll be prepared to concede that it might exist.

But don't pretend that believing in something the inertial observer can neither see feel not measure is logical and then criticise others for being illogical.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: bobad
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 03:34 PM

Jeeze, I thought this was a thread about polo.

Carry on then, pip, pip and tally-ho.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:19 PM

Anyway most crown chakras have been replaced by screwtop stubby chakras now, or even ringpulls.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 11:42 AM

Richard,

That blue car that pops into your dreams from time to time, two door and wire rim wheels, will it top 180?

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 10:40 AM

I'm not claiming evidence, Richard. You are. That's the difference between us. You don't have any evidence. Neither do I, but I'm not pretending I do. ;-)

I consider it highly probable that chakras exist, as expostulated in many Eastern teachings. I do not claim to have definitive evidence of it, I just consider it highly probable, that's all. My consideration is based upon familiarity with the subject and with people who have experience to to upon.

I have far better reason to think chakras exist than you do to think they do not, and I am not so ready as you are to deny another human being's personal experiences merely on the basis of my own prejudice and prior beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:28 AM

anyone keeping score??

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:27 AM

Take up pottery, dewey, working with clay will help "earth" you.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 03:37 AM

LH, you want to believe in your invisible friend - that's fine, but that puts it firmly in the field of religion. If you want to accept the precepts of your religion, by all means do so, but that is not evidence.

The evidence is: -

A select few people who think of themselves as spiritually enlightened "see" these things. The rest of the world does not.


There is, seemingly, no testable method of measuring these things. When science postulates the existence of a previously unknown particle it devises tests to see whether the evidence supports the existence of the particle (for example, quarks).

The better evidence therefore so far is that the visible chakra is delusional.


But the main point is that on this thread, you are happy to accept some mystical thing as real without doubt. On the chicken thread you weren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 01:23 AM

God, have I ever.

Richard, the evidence against chakras is like the evidence against "the soul", Bigfoot, and other as yet unconfirmed matters: totally nil.

There is no evidence against chakras.

If you had been born in the Hindu culture or a number of other oriental cultures you'd be on the other side of this argument...simply because you would take chakras totally for granted.

And your emotional bent regarding the matter would be indentical (supporting the common belief of your culture)...but leading to the exact opposite belief.

I was not born in those cultures. I did not grow up believing in chakras. I found out about them in adulthood, and have given the matter very careful consideration. There is a great deal of evidence for the chakras and utterly not one shred of any kind of evidence against them. Not one shred. There is only blind cultural prejudice on the part of non-Eastern cultures who regard the idea as a foreign idea. Period.

I don't EXPECT most people to see chakras, Richard. Nor do I expect them to see thoughts, brain waves, nerve impulses, emotions, or any other non-material forces and energies that course through the body.

You don't HAVE to see something in order for that something to be real. You can experience something without seeing it at all, and we all do so, every waking moment of our lives. The irritation I feel when I read your posts is REAL. It's an emotion. It's an energy flowing in my nervous system. It has effects on my physical self. It's 100$ real. But NO ONE can see it AS the energy it is....unless, perhaps, they have a special ability. Just because you don't have such special ability, don't assume that no one else does.

Emotions too can be seen by some people as a cloud of colored energy swirling around the person. The stronger the emotion, the thicker and more noticeable is that cloud of energy.

That's why it is said that a very angry person is "seeing red". Red is a color that is associated with anger. Red and black swirling together: murderous anger.

Any yeah, I know...(ha!)...you don't believe any of this.

Well, big honking deal. What difference would it make, really, whether or not you or any other skeptic chose to believe something like that? No real difference at all. It won't change a thing.

It pisses me off that people think their determined non-acceptance of something is ITSELF proof that that something doesn't and can't exist. It's not proof of anything, it's just an opinion. Period. Opinions are not proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 01:11 AM

Limiting your sense of the possible by majority consensus puts you square in the middle of the Flat Earth society, the "better to err with Galen" crowd, and the mob that ran Semmelweiss out of town for curing childbed fever. "Pur il se muove..."

A

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:50 PM

Richard, "most people don't see them" is NOT evidence against them. It simply means most people don't see them. If you read Little Hawk's last post again, you would see he has already covered that.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:27 PM

Well, *I* think that it's all probably.........what? Oh...you already know what I think? Ummmm...ok then, that does save me a lot of typing.
☺

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:42 PM

Misquote again. The evidence for visible chakras is very limited - the subjective unmeasurable assertions of a few. The evidence against them (ie most people don't see them) is massive.

If you were being even-handedly rationalist, you would call for and evaluate the evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 07:26 PM

Richard, I have no idea what super-prions are, so what use would it be for me to venture any opinion on them? ;-)

What in my description of the chakras makes you think they are impossible?

One can see them as a spiritual phenomenon if one wishes...or not, if one wishes. They could be seen just as a nervous system phenomenon if one was not spiritually inclined.

My exitability on the topic indicates that I think you are being a stubborn blockhead about it, merely because you are ignorant of the subject, and it lies outside the list of things you feel comfortable with already and take for granted.

You have no basis for disbelieving in the existence of chakras, regardless of whether or not they are a "spiritual" phenomenon. You have no basis for believing in them either, necessarily. It is you assurance in the disbelief that strikes me as irrational.

There have always been things that only a very few people in this world were aware of at any given time, and that the vast majority of people denied, if asked about it at all. The vast majority can be ignorant, usually are ignorant in many ways, and they can be mistaken. Having numbers on your side in an argument does not necessarily prove that you are right about something. It just proves that you are cleaving to present convention in your particular society...and when you do, most people will agree with you, even if you and they turn out someday to have been totally, 100% wrong.

Ask any scientific pioneer of history about that, and they can provide you with many examples where millions were wrong...and one man or a few men were right.

Do some people have rare abilities? Yes. If you just call such people "deluded", then who is the fool, and who is really the deluded one?

I don't expect you to believe in chakras. I expect you to have an open enough mind to say..."I don't know if there are chakras or not." Because you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:52 PM

I was not the Guest above, Dewey, and have no idea who was.

If you still need help with this persistent vision send me a PM.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:45 PM

Culures and civilizations far older than our western one for some reason (pun intended) routinely observe phenomena that we don't see and matter of factly hold beliefs that we don't accept. Our materialistic world scoffs at reincarnation, clairvoyance, remote 'viewing', auras, and yes, chakras. Wonder why that is?

Is it possible that the differences might be analgous to a child's knowledge as compared with that of an adult?

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:31 PM

Try addressing the issue.

Can you prove that super-prions that burrow into glazed earthenware and survive any heating other than to red-heat do not exist?

The proportion of those who claim they can see chakras to those who do not suggest that the latter is the more realistic observation. The insistence of those who do see them on there being a spiritual explanation (spiritual beliefs being a known source of delusions) raises doubt as to the accuracy of their observations.

YOur excitability on the topic prevents any suggestion that you are being even-handed or rational about it.

All I ask is that you apply the same standards to your beliefs as you would have others do to theirs.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 04:30 PM

Richard, people have delusions about everything imaginable. Wouldn't it be convenient for you if they only had delusions about stuff you already don't believe in for some reason? ;-)

To trot out the old "delusion" horse in this discussion has no bearing on the matter whatsoever.

It is asinine to have a definite opinion on the non-existence of something you don't know anything about....just because you don't know about it yet. If you believed it couldn't exist for a good and rational/logical reason that made any kind of sense, fine, but that is not the case. You have no logical reason to believe that chakras don't exist.

A "chakra" is simply an Eastern term for an energy center in the body, through which large amounts of vital energy flow to other parts of the body. Do you deny that there is vital energy moving around in a living body? Do you think it impossible that some parts of that body might focus more vital energy flow than other parts, and might be like main junctions of energy flow? Is it possible that Eastern meditation techniques might have detected ways of observing and sensing the energy flow through such areas, and possibly influencing it in such a way as to enhance it?

If you state categorically that all the above premises are definitely "impossible" then you are simply talking through your hat and revealing irrational prejudice akin to the most blind fundamentalist religious faith. The fact is, you just don't know whether chakras exist or not. You presently HAVE no way of knowing.

The Kosher chicken matter is not comparable in any way, because we both can plainly observe the very same actual physical evidence about it: to wit: Millions of Jews eat kosher chicken and with good effect. Millions of non-Jews eat non-kosher chicken and with similarly good effect. There is therefore, logically, no particular reason to go dingy over having accidentally eaten some non-kosher chicken, to throw out crockery that has touched non-kosher chicken, or to sear the offended cookware with fire....is there?

The reason you and I can agree on that is that we both can observe the same plainly observable commonplace physical evidence of the non-harmful effects of non-kosher chicken! Case closed.

In the case of chakras, you haven't succeeded yet in observing anything about them, I would gather, nor, apparently, have the people you know and trust and accept as authoritative sources. Therefore, you are hardly in any position to HAVE any definitive opinion about chakras, because you have no evidence on which to form any definitive opinion about chakras.

All you have is an existing prejudice, based upon an arbitrary assumption, that assumption being that anything you have not already seen, by definition...cannot exist.

That's just plain silly. I'm sure that plenty of things exist which both you and I have not seen or maybe even heard of yet. For us to deny any such things out of hand if someone else were to speak of them would be nothing but opinionated hubris of the most empty sort on our part. We would not yet be in a position to have any valid opinion about the matter, especially if it did not violate known laws of reality as we know them.

The existence of energetic centers in the body does not violate any known laws of reality as we know them...nor does one person's ability to see what someone else doesn't see violate known laws of reality. A colorblind person can't see various colors, can he? You are like someone from a tribe of colorblind people insisting to me that NO ONE can see colors, and if they did they were suffering from a "delusion".

Well, you might be wrong about that, mightn't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 04:06 PM

Yesssssss....

If I told people I heard God speaking to me, I'd be put on medication, if not locked up in a home.... a few hundred years ago, a young girl said God spoke to her and she got made a saint!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Paul Burke
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 07:04 AM

I would gently suggest that your problem is that your mind has created this phenomenon, but it is becoming intrusive. On the other hand, you like the fact that this epiphany/ mind artifact occurs. You believe perhaps that it is a mark of special spiritual worth- are you really asking for advice on how to control its appearance, or subtly boasting about it? Symptom of illness have historically been interpreted as religious visions- schizophrenia, epilepsy, migraine. That's not to belittle them- they have often been the spur to great creativity, and I wouldn't have given Hildegard of Bingen medication to stop her visions. But you have to decide whether it's worth the bother, and seriously contemplate that a health check might be more valuable than believing you have a direct line to nirvana.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST,Norman Bates
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 06:34 AM

Get yourself to a Psychiatrist more like

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 04:52 AM

Dewey - get yourself to a Healer - your chakra is showing for a reason... you may have an illness or imbalance that you are not aware of. Sounds like you need some cleansing and realignment.

Good luck with it.

LTS

Just because I choose to follow one Deity, doesn't mean I don't keep an eye on what the others are doing.... and if I don't know, I phone a friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 04:25 AM

Little Hawk - we agreed that the doctrines of religions should be subject to rational discussion. That must apply to this religion too.

I personally know some people who suffer from delusions. The fact that they suffer from them does not make them real. There are millions who believe that homeopathy has an effect (other than placebo effect). Mysticism is a cop-out. Where is evidence, where is proof, where is rationality?

If you put other religions to such tests, you should expect them to be applied to your beliefs too.

Incidentally, anyone who knows of the original sufferer here, do keep us in the loop about resolution of the problem or alleged problem -it may add evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:43 PM

I cannot see auras, nor can I 'feel' chakras. Nor can I heal the way some can.

About eight months ago my lower back was 'out', really badly. I was stoopped over when I walked and in pain for weeks.
A friend's friend who doed (does may be the wrong word, but it's the word I'm using anyway) orthobionomy took one look at me, told me to sit on a stool and relax as much as I could. She put one of her hands just a bit above the top of my head and the other hand near the base of my spine (at the tail bone) and there I sat for about five minutes or so. If she was touching me it was with such a light touch that I was unaware of it. I felt a vertebrae (sp?) move. Then I felt the 'click' as it reset back where it had come from.

There are many things in life of which we are unaware. Anecdotal I know, but I know the effect of what she did. In truth, it matters little to me if anyone believes that or not. Have a good evening, all.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:11 PM

Richard, that's me and 3 people who have had some actual experience about something versus millions who don't know anything about it, don't care to, never did care to, and have NO experience whatsoever in the matter. That's a case of something vs nothing.

I don't venture definitive or final opinions about things I know perfectly well I am completely ignorant of...but I've noticed that most people are happy to do so without a moment's hesitation as long as it's something they consider..."unusual".

Such is the nature of the conventional mind. Anything it doesn't already know about must be ridiculed, scorned, rejected without further consideration. And on the basis of what? Absolutely nothing other than denial of that which is not yet known.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:06 PM

What people believe is what people believe. No one is twisting arms.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:04 PM

So, LH, that's you and 3 gurus in one pan of the scales, and the rest of the world in the other? The probabilities seem a little lopsided.

How can we query religions with billions of adherents, and accept this?

It is not even-handed.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:27 PM

"This [the fourth] chakra is called the heart chakra and is the middle chakra in a system of seven. It is related to love and is the integrator of opposites in the psyche: mind and body, male and female, persona and shadow, ego and unity. A healthy fourth chakra allows us to love deeply, feel compassion, have a deep sense of peace and centeredness"

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:24 PM

Yes there is, Richard. # 1: I have seen some of the visual effects associated with chakras on a couple of rare occasions. # 2: There are a very few individuals I have complete respect for and who have never failed that respect in any way whatsoever, and they know about this stuff as intimately as you know how to lace up your shoes.

Therefore, I take their opinion on the matter more seriously than yours. I AM being rational, but I am working from a different set of personal experiences than you, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST,Partridge
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 12:35 PM

what is the fourth chakra?

Pat

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:10 AM

Little Hawk, while I am happy to have you agree with me on the thread about kosher chicken, I am moved to ask why you do not apply the same standards as to rationality in this context.

Is there anything to distinguish this alleged phenomenon from hallicination and religious visions generally?

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST,Maureen
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:49 AM

I had a couple last night with the murgh karhai, but it woz the samosas that did me in.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 11:10 PM

Oh, I see. Very well then, that's a different matter.

My 4rth chakra's already been through quite a bit of disturbance as it is...

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 10:59 PM

This guy's 'hostility' as you put it is the result of three previous experiences with Dewey. Has nothing to do with what he said or what he believes. Don't screw up your fourth chakra.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 02:53 PM

What is far more extraordinary than that you are seeing your crown chakra, Dewey, is that Clinton Hammond has not yet dropped in on this thread to say something totally ignorant and nasty about it.

You're probably seeing it because the 6th (eyebrow) chakra (associated with the pituitary gland) is opening.

As to how to stop seeing it, well...heh!...I guess you'll have to find someone who is himself or herself very adept in those disciplines and can show you what to do. There are such people here and there, mostly associated with Vedanta, Yoga, Buddhist, and other Eastern spiritual disciplines. Finding the real ones is not so easy, though, and there are plenty of phonies out there.

If I wanted to learn to play like Eric Clapton, I'd go to Eric Clapton and get him to show me...or I'd go to some other really fine guitar teacher who could show me.

You will not find many people in the Christian tradition who can help you with chakra disciplines...although...I'm not saying there aren't any. Some people have the wisdom to embrace and combine all great spiritual traditions, and they benefit greatly when they do, opening at least their mind...if not their crown chakra.

You know the thing in the Bible about a flame appearing on the brows of Christ and the disciples? That was probably eyebrow chakra opening, maybe eyebrow and crown. A person in a "normal" state of mind would have seen nothing unusual, in all probability....just a bunch of men sitting around. A spiritually awakened person would have seen the glowing energy associated with the chakras opening.

To those emotionally bound to react to all of the above with hostility, sarcasm, contempt, snide amusement, etc... Well, your hostility functions in direct proportion to your ignorance on any given subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST,Tyke
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 10:46 AM

What's up lad as tha got nowt else t'do

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 06:21 AM

Thanks for the info Amos. Night All!

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 06:08 AM

Takes just one datum. But it exists in many places at once.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 06:01 AM

Must take alot of data to keep this site up and running

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:55 AM

It can be a real bitch at times. The way you were three times in a row. Welcome to the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:53 AM

Those who are always cocked and offended at the drop of a hat seem to be the regulars here.

I am interesting in this topic but maybe I'll just forget it and stick to music.

Sorry to intrude!

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:34 AM

I tried being nice and understanding with you three times before. Never again.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:30 AM

The deadringer crown chakra I experience is pictured at www.sacredcenters.com.

Subject: RE: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:15 AM

yes I still have typing problems. So fire away!!

Subject: BS: Crown Chakra Problems
From: Dewey
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:13 AM

My Crown Chakra (spiraling lotus flower energy center) keeps appearing to me during my waking hours. If you don't know what a crown charkra is, take a look at one by googling crown chakra...It is a real phenomenon that happends to many indidividuals. what you see in the picture there is an absolute deadringer to what mine looks like.

When Mine appeared to me, I had to look it up to find out what it was. I am/was totally ignorant on the subject but became curious when I started to continually see this thing in my vision slightly to the left of my visual center.

This independant spinning wheel moves and operates without my control and appears to be sound and light sensitive.

This chakra appearance used to only happen to me for only a few moments upon awaking from a deep sleep, and with my eyes still closed. However, it now appears continuously while my eyes are wide open ALL DAY LONG.... whether I desire it to or not!

It just keeps sitting there in front of my face, blocking my vision while I am working on other things. I am getting a little annoyed by the experience. Is there any way to make this thing go away?..... Seriously!...... I am NOT joking!!

Sonetimes it opnes up more than others, but still, it never fully goes away even when my mind it busy and quite active with earthly metters.

I don't take any drugs or medications (other than insulin) and I am not sick or unheathy.

Any experts on this subject? Am I relaxed? Spiritually connected? POSESSED? (LOL)

Please respond.

Thank you!