Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:38 AM

I respectfully request, as this threads originator, that it be completely deleted and not just closed.

Not too sure there is anything respectful about any poster requesting that the posts of others in a thread are all deleted.

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I think the thread originator is correct in this case. The subject has been discussed, and now it's time to shut it down. Shambles, if you don't want threads like this to be shut down, don't take them over.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Guest, Anonymous or Not?
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:26 AM

To whomever is capable of removing threads at this time,

I respectfully request, as this threads originator, that it be completely deleted and not just closed.

To help answer my own original reason for starting this thread:

I do not know if any or all Guests can be identified and at this point I just do not care anymore because this thread has degraded into something I did not intend.

I am glad it was moved to the BS Section because I would not want the casual visitor to Mudcat to read it because it is not reflective of most of the excellent information available on this site in the Music Section.

Thank you,
Guest, Anonymous or Not?

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:02 AM

knowing full well the restriction you are under (you tell us often enough about it) and what would happen to the posts in question because of that restriction,

I did not imposes the restriction - I consider that there are no grounds for any form of special treatment to be shown for any poster and I have no idea how this imposed restriction is supposed to work. Either way it does require me to first post to enable the action to take place. If you do not like the effect of this restriction on our forum - then it is hardly fair to blame me for it.

All I can do is continue to try and post my honest views under my own name as I have done on our forum since 1998 - some post stay and others do not.

As there is no indication given in the form of an editing comment for the ones that do not stay - there is no way of knowing the cause.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:43 AM

I seem to be blamed for the duplicate posts in two threads we now see - when I have only tried to post them once to this thread.......

..... knowing full well the restriction you are under (you tell us often enough about it) and what would happen to the posts in question because of that restriction,

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:36 AM

Posters can (try to) ONLY post.

If their post does not appear - and there is no explanation - the obvious thing is to try post to it again, assuming that the fault was theirs or that there was some technical glitch causing this.

For if the post has been 'silently deleted' by some anonymous fellow poster - only they will know this and if they do not inform our forum of this imposed censorship in an editing comment - perhaps the blame for Another thread, fucked to death should be placed at the door of our 'moderators'. Some of whom are anonymous but who are not limited to simply trying to post their honest views on our forum - but feel their role now is to find ways to prevent and restrict this?

Am I also to blame for relegating this thread (with no explanation provided) to the BS section? I seem to be blamed for the duplicate posts in two threads we now see - when I have only tried to post them once to this thread.......

I suggest the following solution that will enable all posters for the first time to be able see and express an informed judgement on the true nature and current level of imposed censorship on our forum. As this is undertaken in their name and in order to protect them.

When our 'moderators' judge any form of imposed action is necessary - for them to ALWAYS provide an explanation in the form of an editing comment and for these to limited to ONLY where some form of imposed action has actually taken place.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for making my point, Shambles......

You lackwit!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:33 PM

"His post about deletions was moved to his thread about deletions. I moved the second one, and deleted the first, as we do with duplicates. I will continue to do this if he posts it again."

OK, work with me on this.

"His [the Shambles] post about deletions [from another thread] was moved to his thread about deletions [deletions are things that have been taken away, either mysteriously (or ostentatiously in this case)]. I [a clone] moved the second one [the one that's here now], and deleted the first [the one that isn't there now but is now here], as we [clones] do with duplicates [but now there are no duplicates]. I will continue to do this [OK] if he posts it [the post that isn't anywhere but here, right?] again."

EUREKA

In plain English, the thing that isn't there anymore is gone. WHEW.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:21 PM

OK, maybe a few more than two.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 09:46 PM

Two tokes and I'll be able to understand what you said there, clone.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:22 PM

Gee....The same thing posted on two threads. Why am I not surprised?

And in all the drivel we have yet to hear why Sham has not followed Max's polite request to leave.

Trust me ShambyPamby.......At 99.9% of other forums you'd have been gone long ago.

Spaw

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His posts about deletions were moved from this thread to his thread about deletions - one earlier than Spaw's post and one later. I deleted the first, as we do with duplicates. I will continue to do this if he posts it again. [edited] ~JoeClone

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:15 PM

Please see Deleted posts & closed threads

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:25 PM

Another thread, fucked to death by the moron that is Shambles....

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:16 PM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread.

Actually, the moderators are here to help primarily with technical problems, not to be babysitters or a police force. Most "offensive language" is ignored, and we expect Mudcatters to ignore minor squabbling.
Stick to the topic, Shambles. If you go off topic and post your usual repetitive propaganda, your message will be moved to the current Shambles garbage thread. As long as you actually discuss with people and address the issues they're talking about, your posts are likely to be left alone.
-Joe Offer-

As your moderators are clearly still under the impression that their purpose is to protect posters from the abusive personal attacks referred to - [which was plainly the topic introduced into this thread by its orignator and to which I was responding on-topic to] – perhaps this latest version of their role should be passed to them? Although the object of this imposed 'moderation' does seem to change......As do your determined attempts to try and prevent this poster from posting my views on the same basis as other posters.

[PM] Bert BS: Censorship on Mudcat (1009* d) RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat 06 Feb 05

The only censorship on Mudcat is to delete deliberate personal attacks. If you are the victim of any other kind of censorship send a PM to Joe, Max, Pene or any of the Joe Clones (even me). I assure you that you will receive a reasoned reply.

Well, there are a few other things we delete - racism & hate messages, Spam, copy-paste non-music articles that fill more than one screen - I think that about covers it.
-Joe Offer-

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OK, Shambles, this is the third time you've posted this message - and it's more-or-less the same thing you've said hundreds of times. Does your ability to copy and paste make you feel like a real man, or what? Can't you carry on a discussion like a real human being? What IS your problem? Are you some kind of sociopath who can't interact normally with people? Why can't you carry on a reasonable conversation with other people, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:15 PM

"You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread."

"Shambles, I suggest you leave"

Signed

The Management



G.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:04 PM

to answer the original question:


well, *I* post under 'almost' my full real name, so if *I* logged out and posted as 'guest', Joe could likely compare IP addresses and know it was Bill Day, whom he knows personally. I have on occasion posted my FULL name ...so a forum search would allow anyone here to drive right to my front door! Same goes for Catspaw, Joe Offer, and many others.

HOWEVER...if someone has never USED a real name, and never stated where they live, and is only known as 'Rumplestiltskin'...EVEN if they are a member, Joe will not know who they are. He can often look up IP numbers and know approximately where they are...(country and, usually, area). This means that repeated postings, even under different names, or NO name, can 'probably' be compared and linked. It could be 23 people using one computer, but that is not common, so in that RARE case when some one needs ro be blocked (or when SPAM posters need to be), Joe or Jeff or Max can usually manage, I'd suppose.

....the real point is-- Whether you are a registered MEMBER or not, no one need know your real name if you don't want them to! The ONLY way for even Joe to get a real name would be to submit a request to the ISP, showing cause why! (Like a serious attack or threat).(this would 'probably' require a warrant)

There are members whose posts I have read for years, and I have almost no idea where they are from...or even if they are male or female.

Me, I don't care....I have opinions, but they are mine, and I am honest & open about them....and if you want to drive up to my door and debate them, I guess you could eventually figure out how.. I suppose that those who have even more extreme positions would prefer that no one be able to track them down...*wry grin* Martin Gibson kinda made sure he was hard to find!

(and I DO know that some of our female members have on occasion been subjected to harassment, and feel more comfortable having a layer of anonymity between themselves and internet idiots!)

Anyway, it has been my experience that you will on average be treated in here similarly to the way you treat others. If YOU are combative and obnoxious and extreme in your views, you'll get appropriate responses......so plan accordingly.

Everyone...have a nice day!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:41 PM

I KNEW you'd say something like that.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Your friend
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:37 PM

Tastes funny

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM

Can't say I know what to do with ass kissing.

It tickles.

-Anonymous Fellow Poster-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:01 PM

Ass kisser.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Your friend
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:00 PM

THE MODERATORS KNOW YOUR IP ADDRESS?!!!!

Can I be the first to apologise to the moderators for all the things I thought I'd got away with? From now on it's all sweetness and light. I'm a reformed character. I love you all!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:44 PM

It looks like Shambolina is trying to take over this thread. Now's the time to cut him off or close down his other thread. That be the rules moderators.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:43 PM

Joe this is what Keith is referring to in his above post regarding a request he put to you,


Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM

http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=GUEST%2CDivis%20Sweeney

Here is the link again Seamus.
Ask someone to help you click and scroll to 18th Sept. 05

Can anyone else explain it to Seamus?
I just can not get him to see.




There is no indication that the Sept 18 "Divis Sweeney" posts were posted by the member named Divis Sweeney, or by Keith of Hertford. They could have been posted by either, I suppose, but I have no proof either way.
      So quite your squabbling, already.
      -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:42 PM

please note that shambles answered you with a post that not only ignored your question while pretending to answer it, but then continued to make a post so subjective and biased that to answer it in either a positive or negative manner would be to validate the half-truths and fallicies within it.

I do not know what facilities joe or other moderators may have available to them; however I can tell you that it is doubtful that you or anyone could be 100% positivly identified by your posting.

this is because though they might be able to pin it down to a specific NODE - they can't tell who is at the keyboard.

However, it is not unreasonable that in some cases it is both possible and probable that they could determine identity (or at least mudcat identity) beyond reasonable doubt; and in many cases have a pretty good suspicion as to who is posting.

if they wanted to.

which I doubt.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:26 PM

So, since you have been here awhile and I respect your opinion, do you know if my identity can be determined by a moderator or clone?

I can assure you with some confidence that some of them would claim not only to know your identity but your motivation, the state of your mental health, your bowel movements and would judge that all of these things and more, are open for public judgement.

Perhaps you may accept - if your were to find yourself to be the only poster on our forum who was subject to special posting restrictions which you consider to be totally unfair - that it may be a little upsetting to read these described as 'fairy moderated'?

As for the following - One could be excused for thinking this to be a complete wind-up.

Credit should be given to members like ClintonHammond and catspaw49 because I doubt they seldom, if ever, use a Guest moniker and are willing to be judged up front with their comments even though there are some members, like mem who often disagree (privately most of the time) with the content or language in their posts. If the moderators here accept what they post then that should be okay and no one is forced to read any individual post or thread anyway.

As the main justification for our 'moderators' is stated by them to be to protect us fom such abusive judgements and offensive language - if such posts by these two posters named by you are judged to be OK to remain as posted by our 'moderators' - perhaps some different 'moderators' are required?

Or perhaps as you say no one is forced to read any individual post or thread anyway - no moderators are required at all?

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Actually, the moderators are here to help primarily with technical problems, not to be babysitters or a police force. Most "offensive language" is ignored, and we expect Mudcatters to ignore minor squabbling.
Stick to the topic, Shambles. If you go off topic and post your usual repetitive propaganda, your message will be moved to the current Shambles garbage thread. As long as you actually discuss with people and address the issues they're talking about, your posts are likely to be left alone.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Guest, Anonymous or Not?
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:17 PM

The Shambles,

Sir, if anything I post on this forum does not meet the approval of the moderators then I will accept that it be removed. Beyond inquiring what I did wrong, I would not go any farther. I am a "guest", a visitor, in the Mudcat Cafe house and I will obey the rules so I will be welcome. That is my judgment and it is informed to the extent of what I have read on this form, including some of your posts, and how I have been treated.

You have almost assuredly far surpassed the law of diminishing returns with your "deleted posts issue" and should likely concede. Your effectiveness has foundered.

My intent is fully constructive with this post and good luck if you continue to pursue your "Closed threads and deleted posts route".
However, your post to this thread seems off-subject, just as I mentioned to a person in a post above that appears to have a grudge against you.

So, since you have been here awhile and I respect your opinion, do you know if my identity can be determined by a moderator or clone?

Thanks

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:06 PM

It's an opinion, Roger. People are allowed to post them here. And isn't it your uninformed judgement that that opinion is uninformed? My opinion, FWIW, is that the above guest has done their research and is bang on the button - and that's an informed opinion.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:04 PM

Oh fuck... here's Shambles-little-miss-worthless.... Now the shitstorm really starts.....

"Are you really as stupid as you portray yourself in this argument?"
Stupider... at the very least

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:03 PM

As you have no way of knowing what the true nature and current level of imposed 'moderation' is - what is the value of posting such an uniformed judgement? (Shambles)

Are you really as stupid as you portray yourself in this argument?

Of course I have a way of knowing. It is called sampling. To know what the British think about the involvement in Iraq I do not need to ask all of them. Sampling gives a fairly good assessment.

I have seen posts that were not there some minutes later. I have seen threads that were not there the next day. I have seen posts eliminated that were there again the next day. This is my sample from which I can asses quite confidently what the typical nature of posts eliminated is, how often that happens. I make an inference from the sample I see to the population. From what I see there I say with confidence that I agree with the present amount of moderating in roughly 95% of the cases I see. And I don't care about the rest for I don't know whether my (rarely) dissenting opinion is any better than that of the acting clone

Your above judgement is completely uninformed.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 02:41 PM

Mudcat is very fairly moderated and kudos to Joe and others who take the time necessary to keep this forum the very best of its kind.

As you have no way of knowing what the true nature and current level of imposed 'moderation' is - what is the value of posting such an uniformed judgement?

Or is it just to try and ensure that you do not also receive the special 'moderation' and posting restritions that are now confined to my contributions?

Closed threads and deleted posts

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 02:36 PM

I don't think I've ever looged out to log in as a guest....

I see no point...

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Guest, Anonymous or Not?
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 02:29 PM

My original intent was to learn something about privacy on a forum such as Mudcat Cafe. Many here have expressed concerns about Guest postings and I thought if Guest's knew their identity was fairly easily known they might consider what they posted, regardless if the post was good, bad, or indifferent.

As Bill D thoughtfully wrote and I agree with him:

"It is handy (and often fun) to be able to log out and use joke names to have innocent fun being "Old Man River" or "Emperor of the Universe"...or to do things like play the "Secret Santa" game, or ask a potentially embasassing question about medical stuff, for instance."

And:

"But when being 'guest' for petty and hateful purposes, or to impersonate someone, or to threaten someone, or to intentionally stir up problems happens, it is serious business, and I'm GLAD Joe and other administrators have some tools to deal with things!!!"

Credit should be given to members like ClintonHammond and catspaw49 because I doubt they seldom, if ever, use a Guest moniker and are willing to be judged up front with their comments even though there are some members, like mem who often disagree (privately most of the time) with the content or language in their posts. If the moderators here accept what they post then that should be okay and no one is forced to read any individual post or thread anyway.

Mudcat is very fairly moderated and kudos to Joe and others who take the time necessary to keep this forum the very best of its kind.

Whoops! I almost posted my screen name.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 02:05 PM

I am he as you are he as you are me
and we are all together
See how they run like pigs from a gun
see how they fly
I'm crying
Sitting on a cornflake
Waiting for the van to come
Corporation T-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday
Man you've been a naughty boy
you let your face grow long

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 01:54 PM

Some of them have absolutely no fu#kin' clue at all. Others are quite good as posters and clones. These all or none statements don't really mean much.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 01:53 PM

The opening poster is still waiting.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 01:51 PM

"... they haven't got a clue."

*grin* You might be surprised.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 01:43 PM

For fucks sake mick take off the spurs and grow up. The opening poster very clearly is a member with a valid question. The fact that you only see badness is really your problem.

He asked you to ID him and the truth is you can't. But rather than admit that and appear to not be the all powerful being you assume you are, you trot out the usual shite that we are sick of seeing.

So the simple answer to the opening poster is they haven't got a clue.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 01:15 PM

And some mods participate in the slagging, too. Let's not forget that.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:55 PM

"I yam what I yam"
    Popeye

It can be important for administrators of a site to be able to have certain types of info. There are just too many things that can interfere with smooth operation to allow total, unchecked freedom of posting for any bozo who who decides to show up.

That being said, Mudcat has a reputation for wider toleration than 99% of 'em!

It is handy (and often fun) to be able to log out and use joke names to have innocent fun being "Old Man River" or "Emperor of the Universe"...or to do things like play the "Secret Santa" game, or ask a potentially embasassing question about medical stuff, for instance.

But when being 'guest' for petty and hateful purposes, or to impersonate someone, or to threaten someone, or to intentionally stir up problems happens, it is serious business, and I'm GLAD Joe and other administrators have some tools to deal with things!!!

I assume that it IS possible to hide or change an IP in order to say things you are too chicken to say under your own name or handle, but when this happens, the mods at least have editing & deletion options if it gets out of hand.....that's the way it is, and that's the way it should be!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:48 PM

Thanks, Nick. You make the point exactly. All this worry about IP's and area, of course one can get that. And you need not be a mod to do it.

That is simply one clue to who is posting. The others are the things I pointed out. No big secret.

The very fact that a GUEST is asking the question should say something.

Mick

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Nick
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:26 PM

What is some of the info that I'm currently showing on sites I go to?

If any of that embarrasses you and you don't know how to appear cloaked then *shrug*

But if a site really wants to track you (which this one doesn't) there are much better ways

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:51 AM

The IP address will tell you whose Internet services were used to connect to the web site. That will rarely point to an idividual user. Of course to use STDg's example Tiscalli, may well know who was using a particular IP address at a givin time but that is not the sort of information I would expect them to be divulging to web sites.

On top of that, there are public machines, shared IP addresses, some may use a proxy, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, knowing an IP address is just one tool that can help give in idea of who is posting and as I said in my previous post (which I forgot to sign) it is my believe that people here will know what is going on far more often than they don't.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:47 AM

"GUEST Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:41 AM"

Best post in this thread so far!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:46 AM

Time forty-seven for a thread like this.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:42 AM

I work for an advertising company. We are able to identify IP addresses for our clients. We can also tell where the posting is coming from geographicly. I'm not a tech person so I don't know how it is done but I would assume that if we can gather that information then it is available for the moderators here. As was said above, never put anything on the computer that you wouldn't want your name attached to. It definately is readily available for other to see.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:41 AM

"Can Joe/Clones ID You"

Who gives a shit?

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:37 AM

" I sometimes surprise my self"
That doesn't sound too difficult to do....

:-P

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:35 AM

OK OK...My error I have reset my kookie and it really was me that was masquerading as Spot the Dog

Dave W

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:34 AM

Ok...Curiousity here. How can knowing my IP address tell you who I am. I can switch my PC to dhcp and get a different IP every time I boot up. All from the same class b subnet of course. So it is possible to say that some people who use, say, Tiscali also use the mudcat. But you can't identify who or how many there are becuase I could just logon at different times with a different IP address. All from, say , Tiscali.

Not that it matters to me. I use Spot the Dog as a nome de plume and my real name is probably in the profiles somwhere.

Dave Wynn (masquerading as Spot the Dog)

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,ME at the centre of everything
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:32 AM

I believe there is ME
and everything and everybody else merely exists in my imagination.

I sometimes surprise my self just how clever i am
thinking up and running something as complex and intricate
as the world wide web inside my head;
when most of the time I'm not even aware how I'm doing it.

Amazing, aren't I !!!!

So I'm not too concerned if I find out who I am
if and when I post as Guest in my own private universe.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:27 AM

Nice to see everyone getting along . . . .

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:19 AM

" You belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you"
That's pretty FN rich coming from you Mick....

"how would you know anything about Rick"
I'm not talking about Rick... Not in the least.... I especially don't deify him

"by most of the decent posters"
Definition... those who line up to smooch YOUR bone....

"You should leave as well"
You first... You're just as big a problem here with your smugness, and your apparent know-it-all-ness as 98% of people who post here.... Get down off your high frigg'n horse....

It's all a load...

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 11:05 AM

You show yourself for the self possessed fool that you are sometimes, Clinton. The fact is that it is true. And how would you know anything about Rick, other than what he wrote here. Ask folks that spent time with him whether he enjoyed that. Ask someone who actually knew him if he didn't sit around and talk about the indicators. This is your problem, as I see it. You are so arrogant that you speak of things you know nothing of, and worse yet, do it as if you actually know what you are talking about.

Time someone told you something, Clinton. Perhaps if you were half as smart, half as talented, as you think you are, you wouldn't be so arrogant and smug. You are seen around these parts by most of the decent posters as a little man with a big chip on your shoulder. You belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, and it makes you appear a fool. It's a shame really, because I've seen another side of you. But I have come to agree with Max. You should leave as well. Just my opinion.

Mick

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:56 AM

"The real thing that allows one to figure out who someone is is their posting style. Rick Fielding was uncanny at it. It was entertainment for him. We have several GUESTS here who used to be members that are so easy to spot. It is how they write, it is how they format, it is the subjects that they automatically rise to, it is the others that they have a personality conflict with and always respond a certain way to."

That is just such an empty load of blather Mick.... Do you even read what you post?

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: mack/misophist
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:52 AM

There are anonymizer services which can hide your IP address. The word is that using them slows things down a lot and that they're sometimes unreliable. Google 'tor', for example, and read the FAQ. Otherwise, your machine can't load the web page unless the Mudcat server knows what IP address to send it to. Masquerading can hide a machine within a LAN but it can't hide the LAN.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:12 AM

My god....This news upsets me as much as it upsets me.............wait a minute here.........That is to say that I am surprised that I admitted being the same person as I was when I stated above that I was the same person.....uh, that I'm Spaw but Joe or possibly Joe but really Spaw...........wait.........Was that right?

What I am trying to say is that when I read what I had written I realized that I knew for sure that I was me and also him and he was me while being himself as well. Uh....yeah.......that's it........sure...........

Spaw who is Joe and Spaw as well as Spaw and Joe

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: MMario
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 08:37 AM

hmmmmm - I *knew* there was a reason I've never seen 'spaw and Joe in the same place!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 08:30 AM

Folks,

It is the Internet. That means nothing is secret. Every thing you post is viewable by someone. IP's are one of the easiest things for anyone to track down if they spend a little time and trouble.

The real thing that allows one to figure out who someone is is their posting style. Rick Fielding was uncanny at it. It was entertainment for him. We have several GUESTS here who used to be members that are so easy to spot. It is how they write, it is how they format, it is the subjects that they automatically rise to, it is the others that they have a personality conflict with and always respond a certain way to.

Aside from the usual internet warnings about things being visible, also don't forget that long term Mudcat poster, members or GUESTS, become very familiar. When one has a long term record of posts which share who they are, they become recognizable.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:46 AM

I have a facility on my own site that enables me to find out quite a lot about who is posting and where from. Of course the IP address is the best clue, although a determined trouble maker can get round that one.
I have banned one poster who reappeared in another guise soon afterwards, but I enjoyed doing it again, and again.
G ☻

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Terry K
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:32 AM

IP address is only useful for a single-user machine. On a multi-user machine anybody can post as a guest, or could even pretend to be the member if the member is logged in.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:55 AM

I've been keeping this a secret for all these years. Now that the tenth anniversary of Mudcat is approaching, I think it's time to reveal this:























My real name is catspaw49, Anonymous Fellow Poster.

Keith, I can't recall what I said to you, but I think I may have meant I cannot reveal who Guest posters are in a situation like that. Or, it could be that in that particular situation, I didn't know. In general, it would be foolish for me to reveal what I know, and what I don't know. Does Macy's tell Gimbel's??
'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:53 AM

Spaw, that is pathetic.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:24 AM

When I was in dispute over a Guest post, Joe came on and said that he could not tell who guest posters were.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Paul Burke
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 03:17 AM

Our guest must understand that they know who you are; they know where you live; and they know the colour of your underwear. How else do you think they can supply your email address to the spammers, with precise instructions as to how much Via9ra or how big a peni5 extension you need? They even know how much money is in your bank account- that's why they can target you with appropriate late5t hot 5tocks.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: John O'L
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:36 AM

Cross my palm with silver and I'll tell you all you want to know about yourself...

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:32 AM

Bullshit.....

And that is the basic subject of this thread unnamed Guest. Hijack THIS!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 12:29 AM

No one is asking who the clones are. Read the first post. You brought up the other question regarding clones/mods that is completely outside of what this thread is about. Also, there is no reason for you to bring up a grudge you have with another member in this thread. You have been around enough to understand what thread hijacking is.

I respectfully request you keep your foul language out of threads especially when you are completely off subject.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 11:56 PM

WHO ARE THE CLONES, WHAT DO THEY KNOW, AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?????


FILM AT ELEVEN!!!

These threads always crack me up. First, I don't know who all the clones are and I don't know anyone outside of Max/Pene/Joe who does. Maybe someone does but maybe it is a clone I don't know who does know so......wait, I'm getting a headache already!

Second, does it matter? I belong to several other forums and am a Mod at a monster on the SPEED website. They are run there as are most other websites and no one knows the identity of the Mods. What they all know is that the Mods word is law in 99.9% of the time and you do NOT argue on forum with a Mod or criticize the actions/policies of the site and forums. If a Mod wants to Zap someone they turn the info over to the Admin people and they do it.

This is the net folks and it's new world for a lot of us. It is as easy to get an IP number as it is to mask one. Many forums require publicly seen IP's as a condition of membership and hence posting there. Mudcat is the rare bird, one of the absolute rarest. And what does Max (and Pene too) get for the laxity in rules and treating folks like real human beings? They get assholes bitching about everytrhing under the sun is what they get! My gawd, we've got folks bitching here about IP's and freakin' Shambolina screamin' about the value of every simpleass utterance......(Here Sham....Utter THIS! -Spaw makes gross gesture while holding his dick)

Yeah........Why not just enjoy the talks and be yourself and stop worrying about dumbass shit? With all that's gone on around here lately, I expect the next incarnation of the 'Cat will have a lot more rules but I know Max and Jeff will want to retain much of the things that are right, that make the place so friendly in most cases. I would seriously doubt there will be anymore Guests as we know them now and a few rules may apply to postings in general....but I could be wrong.

Don't post crap you won't sign your name to and there's nothing to worry about.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 11:25 PM

I'm sure they know not only who you are, but where you were before you came here and what you had for dinner. . .

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 09:16 PM

Put it this way, they know far more often than they don't.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 09:15 PM

"If a member knew he was not completely anonymous he might choose NOT to post as a Guest."

A coward is always going to be a coward....

And it's not like it's hard to mask one's IP#

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 09:13 PM

Only the Shadow knows.....

~S~

Subject: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Guest, Anonymous or Not?
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 09:10 PM

If posting as a Guest, is one really anonymous or does the IP address info identify the poster?

I have seen other threads where people accuse a member of posting one view then come back as a Guest to lend support to his own original post. Is it possible to know when a member posts with a name then posts as a guest in the same thread or days later in another thread?

As a test, Joe or any Clone or moderator, etc. is welcome to give my member name to show a Guest is not really anonymous. If a member knew he was not completely anonymous he might choose NOT to post as a Guest.

In a related way, can a member that has many screen names on Mudcat be identified by the Clones etc. as being the same person?

Guest (Anonymous or Not?)