BS: EXPLETIVES! Warning: contains obscenities

Subject: BS: EXPLETIVES! Warning: contains obscenitie
From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:34 AM

As someone who is irredeemably addicted to Anglo-Saxon four letter words, blasphemy and faecal expletives, I obviously have no problem when people use these, although I realise that some people are offended by them. On the other hand, what does offend me is when people use substitute swear words like dang, darn, jeepers, heck, feck and the like. I find this infuriatingly prissy. To my mind, if you're going to swear, for fuck's sake use proper swear words or don't bother. What the heck do you think?

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From: Beer
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:37 AM

What the "Heck?"

Ah sugar
Beer (adrien)

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:48 AM

Gee whiz! What is yer fecking problem, you frilly bustard?

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From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:48 AM

Just level off, leveller. Oh jeepers, pardon my French.

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From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:53 AM

God BLESS it - I hate it when people tell me which words to use....

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From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:01 AM

Syphlitic son of a whore! If I wanted your opinion I'd have asked for it.

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:02 AM

Personally I use neither and cannot for the life of me understand why any reasonably educated person needs to either. I would love to hear some of the real reasons why people resort to expletives... go on .... why do you????

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:18 AM

"why do you???? "

Because I can. For the same reason that I use any word - it's part of a varied and colourful vocabulary that I employ for a particular effect. It can also be very creative. I had a colleague who was particularly adept at this and constantly came up with phrases like: "you've made a complete barn's arse of that" and "well, that's now a total bugger's muddle".

I've just come across this, which shows that swearing is actually good for us:

swearing at work

And if you believe that you're a complete....no, I won't go there.

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From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:36 AM

I try to use words that accurately describe the person, place, thing, or activity, you son of a ditch whore.

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From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:41 AM

Shiiii....


..va - the Hindu god of destruction.. can rightly be acknowledged in moments of agony :-)

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:45 AM

I think people do it, GS, primarily because it relieves stress. They also do it to add emphasis. They may do it sometimes to intimidate others. They may do it in order to establish themselves among their peers (this is why children and younger teens do a lot of swearing).

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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:51 AM

Oh C'mon! You can't have a beef with "Feck"? surely? It's a great word, especially for us wannabe descendents:

"Irish Connection"

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From: Royston
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:00 AM

GS, I swear when I want a shorthand with which to make clear my annoyance or frustration or anger. I describe another person with expletives (or 'hurl' expletives at them) when I wish to offend them or hurt their feelings: When I wish to effect an assault without phyiscal violence. As 'theleveller' said, it's all part of a rich and varied vocabulary. Words can be used to hurt or to offend just as they can be used to enlighten or to inpsire.

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From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:03 AM

I caused mayhem in Boots Opticians over a pair of FCUK frames :

" It must be the height of illiteracy when they can't even spell THAT right !".

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From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:05 AM

By way of explanation (if it's needed) "FCUK" are the initial letters of designer clothes, glasses, what have you -

"French Connection U K".

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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:07 AM

Also, for working class blokes who are often under cultural constraints regarding the way they can express themselves affectionately to male friends, swearing is a backwards way of saying: "Hey, I Love You, Man!"

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:22 AM

Oh, alright, I withdraw "feck" - I just like the way it rhymed with "heck", and I didn't count on an Irish accent. But I'll have to add "shoot" as a substitute for "shit"!

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From: GUEST,Charles Artless
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:27 AM

I totally agree.

Humbly suggest the Kiwi comedy movie "The Devil Dared Me" DVD

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970529/

An often hilarious affectionate piss take on male bonding.
Check it out for a brilliant example of extremely stupid totally pointless over-sustained macho swearing for the sake of it..

Gotta love them crude fucker Antipodeans !!!

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From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:29 AM

One of my favourites, though not being outright obscene, is a phrase one of my cousins uses all the time (when in polite company that is *LOL*)

"You rancid parallelogram!"

Don't ask...I have NO idea where he got it from.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
uppity "Indian" chick"

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From: Newport Boy
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:29 AM

Taken from the Guardian Style guide (the Guardian prints expletives in full):

1. Quote :take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government - Lenny Bruce

2. Finally, never use asterisks, which are just a cop-out ( as elegantly put by Charlotte Bronte ...)

3. The practice of hinting by single letters those expletives with which profane and violent people are wont to garnish their discourse strikes me as a proceeding which, however well meant, is weak and futile. I cannot tell what good it does - what feeling it spares - what horror it conceals. - Charlotte Bronte

Phil

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:32 AM

"you son of a ditch whore."

That's the sort of thing, Raps, but, tell me, do you live in fuckwit city because you're as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest.

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From: frogprince
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:34 AM

If I step on something, and it looks unusual, unidentifiable, but inoffensive, I'll probably say "What the heck?" If it's unidentifiable, sticky, and smells like hell, I'll probably say "What the fuck?". If I manage to step in dog shit before I notice it, I'll probably just say "Fuck!" All in the context.

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From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:35 AM

What the fuck are you boys on about? Bleeding numb-nutted broke-dick mammalucca motherlovers!

A

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:42 AM

But here's how to really do it properly and not offend anyone. In memory of the late, great Ronnie Barker:

This was originally shown on BBC TV back in the seventies. Ronnie
Barker could say all this without a snigger (though god knows how many takes). Irony is that they received not one complaint. The speed of delivery must have been too much for the whining herds. Try getting through it without converting the spoonerisms [and not wetting your pants] as you read ...

   

   --------------------------------------------------------



   This is the story of Rindercella and her sugly isters.


   Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge lansion. Rindercella worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits, and shivelling shot.


   At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered.

   
   The sugly isters were right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the other was called Betty Swallocks; they were really forrible huckers;they had fetty sweet and fetty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to the ball, but the cotton runts would not let Rindercella go.

   
   Suddenly there was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her name was Shairy Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She turned a pumpkin and six mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy ronkeys who had buge hollocks and dig bicks


   The gairy fodmother told Rindercella to be back by dimnlight otherwise,there would be a cucking falamity.


   At the ball, Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when suddenly the clock struck twelve. "Mist all chucking frighty!!!" said Rindercella, and she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her slass glipper.

   The very next day the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella's door and the sugly isters let him in. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and let off a fig bart. "Who's fust jarted??" asked the prandsome hince.

   "Blame that fugly ucker over there!!" said Mary Hinge. When the   stinking brown cloud had lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters without success and their feet stucking funk.


   Betty Swallocks was ducking fisgusted and gave the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not difficult as he had bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on.


   He tried the slass glipper on Rindercella and it fitted pucking
ferfectly.

   
   Rindercella and the prandsome hince were married. The pransome hince lived his life in lucking fuxury, and Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny.

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From: Newport Boy
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:44 AM

I tend not to use expletives myself, except in jokes or when quoting others. I did make one notable exception. Ten years ago, I was moving a half-ton stone trough to put it on top of a 3 foot high wall. Two stout timbers formed a ramp, and I used a crowbar to lever each end of the trough in turn up the timbers. When it had reached about 2/3 the way up, the crowbar no longer had enough leverage.

I cut two props a little shorter than the height of the wall, and briefed Anne. "I will lift the end of one of the sloping timbers, and as soon as I get it high enough, put the prop in. Then we'll repeat for the other timber."

I put her in position, holding the first prop. I took hold of the end of the first timber and lifted - about 140 lbs. Anne's attention was taken by a woodpecker in a nearby tree, and I was stranded!

PUT THE FUCKING TIMBER IN!!!!

She did! And then said "You've never sworn at me before". I pointed out that in 40 years on construction sites, I'd never needed to curse at a labourer before.

Phil

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From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 11:54 AM

"Finally, never use asterisks, which are just a cop-out ( as elegantly put by Charlotte Bronte ...)"
- Newport Boy

I'm trying to imagine Charlotte Bronte using the term cop-out, it's just not working *LOL*

Charlotte Oliva Robertson (Ms)
who does use the term cop-out

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From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

I tend not to object, but I am somewhat offended by the fact that "cunt" is derogatory. Why should men use, as a term of abuse, the name of something they (mostly) crave?

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:19 PM

I have to say, Richard, that that is a word I seldom use in anger, when I do find it offensive. Probably stems from my adolescent reading of Lady Chatterley.

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From: theleveller
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:21 PM

"Probably stems from my adolescent reading of Lady Chatterley"

I meant my respect for the word/part...oh shit, I'll stop digging!

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From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:21 PM

Newport Boy's point is well taken. Swearing incessantly at everything loses the emphasis. Saving it for serious moments gets attention.

I HATE it when folks lace casual conversations with cussing..."just because they can".

I have a 20 minute dissertation on what I think the habit shows about personality, but I'd probably just get cussed at if I posted it.. ☺

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From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 01:37 PM

RB -

Used to describe female anatomy, the word is merely obsolete, unfamiliar to many, and hence taken to be obscene.

Used to describe the woman, as one Websters puts it, most often means "one whose only value is as an object for sex," which is (almost always) inherently and intentionally derogatory.

Use by a male to describe another male would indicate a total ignorance of language and anatomy, a failure to possess a proper and meaningful cursing vocabulary - or at best "other than mainstream" sexual proclivities.

Context ...

John

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From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:10 PM

Context, indeed! As used in "Lady Chatterley's Lover" by the gardener during 'courting', it is intense, personal and erotic. As a simple descriptive term, it is crude and offensive.
Most people can tell the difference.

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From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:22 PM

SPAWWWW!!!!

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From: GUEST,Charles Artless
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:25 PM

I'd suggest that in the UK and certain sectors of US social strata,
the word "cunt" has over the last couple of decades lost much of its
power of shock value.

..and because we blokes so love that miraculous part of all that is female;

that's why we can often use the word not as a term of abuse,
but actually as a very positive term of affection for very good mates..

ie. "you lucky / soppy / happy / cheerful / etc / cunt"

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From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:30 PM

Gnu, THAT'S really, really, offensive! To call someone THAT!! In olden tymes your tongue would have been cut out and you forced to eat it. Tsk, tsk. You should have better manners and a better vocabulary!

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:31 PM

The word "cunny" was used quite a bit in former times, and it has a much softer and more affectionate sound than "cunt".

In Taoist literature it is poetically referred to as the "Jade Gate", whereas the penis is referred to as the "jade stem"....jade being something considered very valuable in those times, those were anything but obscene words in the context of ancient China. They did not have any ideas about sex being "sinful". They considered it a health issue, not a moral issue. (too much or too little of it: not healthful).

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From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:33 PM

Eat my tongue without it?

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From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:38 PM

Ca I ha sa casuh wih ah?

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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:00 PM

"The word "cunny" was used quite a bit in former times,"

I like "Cunny" too - it's a term I use. Also rhymes with honey.

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From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:30 PM

FUCK

FOR employing nature's gift, pursuing the pleasure of senses is
UNLAWFUL by the standard's of man. A social impiety. And
CARNAL longings, when denied, provoke a dichotomy of mind. So
KNOWLEDGE will lock in stocks with the ugly word scribed above.

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From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:36 PM

"The word "cunny" was used quite a bit in former times,"
I like "Cunny" too - it's a term I use. Also rhymes with honey. "


to a delightful tune

"My mistress is a hive of bees
In yonder flowery Garden:
To her they come with laden thighs,
To ease them of their burden.
As under the bee-hive lieth the wax,
And under the wax is honey,
So under her waist her belly is placed -
And under that, her cunny. "

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From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:47 PM

NO!!

That'll teach you to call someone...that name.

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From: Uncle Phil
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:55 PM

I'm no prude, but there is nothing to keep innocent young children and people of a gentle nature from browsing this thread, so, by the shit-stained underwear of the unfucked mother of Jesus, you syphilitic, scrotum-sucking sons-of-bitches need to clean up your language! I hope I don't have to tell you twice, smegma breath.

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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:59 PM

"by the shit-stained underwear of the unfucked mother of Jesus,"

LMAO!!

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From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:08 PM

there is a new profanity king

does Spaw know he has just been dethroned?

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From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:09 PM

And thanks for 'My Mistress' Cunny' Bill D! Just lovely! If I was a woman of the woman loving persuasion, I'd be inclined to add it to my rep..

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From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:15 PM

Spaw dethroned? Ahem... thou wouldst not be trolling, wouldst thou?

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From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:17 PM

To some folks the words Republican and/or Democrat are expletives.

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From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:36 PM

jeesh!

i seem to making enemies no matter what I do or say on any thread

fuck it

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From: Uncle Phil
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:45 PM

Thanks, I enjoyed that, too. It was a bad day at work and I was in the mood. But I make no claim on the crown of the master – I don't need that kind of pressure.
- Phil