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History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?

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GUEST,saulgoldie 14 Oct 21 - 11:45 AM
GUEST,keberoxu 14 Oct 21 - 08:54 PM
meself 15 Oct 21 - 01:46 PM
GUEST 19 Oct 21 - 04:23 PM
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Subject: RE: History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 11:45 AM

Funny to see this thread just now. Hang Down Your Head...was recently running through my mind along with a couple of other songs that made me wonder just why they were so popular, cause they seemed to leave out a lot of what "should" have been the story.

Without going into the weeds about it, it just seems like TD is a partial story, and why do I care about it? Obviously, from this thread I can see that there is a LOT to it. But still, how does such an incomplete story make it into popular culture? I am pretty sure that most of the people who listened to this song had a clue as to what it referred to. Lessen, of course, they are Mudcatters. ;-)

Saul


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Subject: RE: History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 14 Oct 21 - 08:54 PM

Excuse me, saulgoldie, did you mean to say:

'most of the people who listened to this song had a clue'

or did you mean to say the opposite,
because I am having trouble following the reasoning. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?
From: meself
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 01:46 PM

I've read just enough about the case to be surprised - I know, I shouldn't be - when some random person makes some kind of categorical statement about who did what to who, and who didn't, and why, and why not. The contemporary accounts are contradictory, as are the later statements from those who were alive at the time and supposedly close to the case, and the later researchers are not in agreement, so .... If you have family lore passed down from the time and place of the events, that's one thing - but if you're just someone who heard the song and saw something on TV once ... well .......


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Subject: RE: History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 04:23 PM

I can add only 1 or 2 probably not very relevant facts: (a) Before I retired, I worked at a place where there were a lot of people from Eastern Europe (mainly Polish); there was a (man) with the surname Dula (I can't remember his forename) who was from the Czech Republic working briefly there (I am not however claiming that Tom Dooley/Dula was from that country (I don't think even Czechoslovakia existed at the time Laura Foster was killed; it seems to have been part of the Austro-Hungarian empire until the latter fell in 1918 after the 1st World War - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic. (b) The first recorded version of "Tom Dooley" was in 1929 for Victor Records by a G.B. Grayson, a blind fiddler from Mountain City, Tennessee, who was a descendant of Sherriff Grayson, and a Henry Whitter, according to Clinton Heylin's book "It's One For the Money: The Song Snatchers who carved up a century of pop and sparked a musical revolution." (Constable, London, 2015). I can heartily recommend this book, which gives a lot of information on the origins of songs; in the case of Tom Dooley, it says that though it was collected in 1938 (i.e. 9 years after Grayson and Whitter's release) by the folklorist Frank Warner from a Frank Profitt. It says that Warner would however have known about three versions of the song in the Frank C. Brown collection (Warner studied under Brown and Newman Ivey White) which were collected by "the trusty Mrs. Sutton shortly after the Great War." Mrs. Sutton apparently stated "[It] was composed by an old negro named Charlie Davenport, and sung to the tune of "Run, Nigger, Run." The next paragraph in Heylin's book however states "What makes a negro author particularly enticing is the fact that the song is a lyrical redaction of a vulgar ballad, 'The murder of Laura Foster', written shortly after the dead (which was in 1866) by Thomas Land..." Frank Warner recorded the song for Elektra in 1952, the same year Frank C. Brown's multiple versions finally appeared in print. Apparently the song had been published by a Mellinger Henry the same year (1938) that Frank Warner recorded the song by Frank Proffitt on his "primitive portable tape recorder."


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Subject: RE: History: Tom Dooley didn't kill Laura Foster?!?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 06:52 PM

Yes, keberoxu. I skipped a word.

Should have been "...had a NO clue as to what it referred to." And I be one of them.

Saul


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