BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 09:18 PM

bobert,



"No arguin' with the irrational, the pathological or those on serious drugs"

I agree, so I will not try to have any discussion about anything with you that involves facts or seeing the people who disagree with you as other than evil.



"Unless you are capable and willing to look beyond *your* side then you are allready in the loser category in my book."

By your own definition, YOU are a loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 09:29 PM

Not!

You are, bb...

Last words...

B-

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 09:30 PM

bb, can you answer my questions? I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 09:47 PM

Ebbie,

"bb, I fail to understand how it is that you - and others - on the one hand cite Saddam's non-compliance with the UN dictum and on the other hand scoff at the UN. "


"Question: Was the UN resolution a valid one? "

YES, and Saddam DID NOT comply- The UN stated that he was in substantual non-compliance.


"If it was, was the fact that it/they were in no hurry to go to war over the noncompliance also valid?"

The wording of the resolution was that it was the LAST CHANCE for Saddam to comply with his obligations under the resolutions OF THE PRECEDING 14 years, and of the CEASE_FIRE TERMS. When a cease-fire is determined to be no longer valid, the ORIGINAL CONFLICT, authorized by the UN, is restored to an active state.

"Conversely, if the UN refusal to go to war was NOT a valid response,"

and it was not, since a state of war ALREADY existed upon Saddam's non-compliance with the cease-fire terms.



"If the UN's refusal to go to war over Saddam's noncompliance was valid then why did the US go to war unilaterally? Is the US not a member of the UN body? What happened to rule of law?"

Under UN rules, the resolution authoizing military action was put in abeyance by the cease-fire- UPON VIOLATION, the original resolution takes effect again. Same as in North Korea. ( no peace treaty ever signed)

"By the way, I don't want to hear about the oil for food scandal that the UN is alleged to have been involved in UNTIL we/you are equally incensed and curious as to what happened to the billions of dollars that have not been accounted for that were given by Americans to American corporations in Iraq. Aren't you up in arms about that? "

I did not bring that up at this time. IF there are unaccounted-for funds, they should be investigated, and if violations of law are found, the responsible parties should be prosecuted- IN ALL CASES.

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 11:14 PM

My greatest sympathies to you, Ebbie....

Don't expect any meaningfull and intellegent dialogue in dealin' with the resident "true believer"... He'll say anything he is told to say...

You are not up aginst a person but a multi-million dollar PR machine that is funded by yer tax dollars to promote the neo-con agenda and the resident "true believer" will spout out their crap like the resident "true believer" actually believes this crap???

Like go figure???

Oh, BTW, when the resident "true believer" gets cornered and does not have some catchy PR response, the "true beliebver" will resort to name callin' and false accusations so, beware, for this "true believer" is a poster boy of "true believerism"...

Like ya ever notice how the "true believers" will one one hand asy that Saddam wasn't obeying UN resolutions when ity fits their cause then in the next breath tell you how the UN is worthless??? LIke what's that about...

Must be nice to be a "true believer"... You can say whatevr you want... Just like Bush does??? Doesn't matter wghat you say or even if there is any actual fact behind it as long as it sounds "bold and bulky"...

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 11:42 PM

beardedbruce, would you please provide us with the exact wording of the "cease fire terms" to which you refer, and also a link to a source for those cease fire terms?

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: Azizi
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 01:46 PM

August 12th, 2005

Fifty pro-Bush supporters came to Crawford Texas to protest across the road from Cindy Sheehan, and her supporters. At one point, with no provocation, the pro-Bush protestors started chanting "We don't care."

See HERE

They don't care???!!!

What a message that sends to grieving families.

****

Also see this post written by a supporter of Cindy Sheehan:

An Oldie, but a Saturday Morning 'Chuckle'

Heaven

A man died. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly
Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

He asked, "What are all those clocks?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie Clocks.
Everyone on Earth has a Lie Clock. Every time you
lie, the hands on your clock will move."

"Oh," said the man, "Whose clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never
moved. She never told a lie."

"Incredible!" said the man. "And whose clock is
that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's
clock. The hands have moved twenty times.
Abe told only twenty lies in his
entire life."

"Where's George Bush's clock?" asked the man.

"George's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using
it as a ceiling fan."

by jimstaro on Sat Aug 13th, 2005

Source: Daily Kos: We don't have to be angry anymore

Subject: RE: BS: Cindy Sheehan to be arrested tomorrow
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 03:18 PM

Azizi, thanks so much for keeping the links going. Like Cindy, and because of Cindy, I feel so much HOPE, now, that he WILL have to asnwer to us. I hope the impeach Bush movement is successful.

To the "We don't care"...wish I was there to tell them:

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
c John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I tell her how good I feel.

Chorus: But your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.