BS: Rezko Guilty

Subject: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 07:08 PM

The jury refused to hand down the verdict until Obama was nominated.
This is just too funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 07:22 PM

???

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 07:28 PM

L.A. Times story.

A federal jury today convicted developer Antoin "Tony" Rezko of corruption charges for trading on his clout as a top adviser and fundraiser to Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Rezko's guilty verdict on 16 of 24 corruption counts could have broad repercussions for Blagojevich, who made Rezko a central player in his cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser, as the likely Democratic presidential nominee heads into the general election campaign against Republican John McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:54 PM

Yeah, it is funny, Jim Lad. Will Tony Rezco be running Obama from the inside?

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:26 PM

I am totally obtuse. Please (serioulsy) explaim to me Obama's transgression in this. Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: pdq
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:01 PM

TIA says: "I am totally obtuse"

Well, he/she/it has finally made a correct statement. Years in coming, unfortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:07 PM

Now answer the question. If you can...

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:08 PM

I will even hold my breath.   UUUUHHHHHHP.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:29 PM

Take your time. I will go to bed, and read your thoroughly reasonable and dispassionate response in the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:54 AM

Senator Obama knew, and even bought some property from, a man who has been convicted on a number of charges of corruption. OK. I once knew, and even borrowed a quarter from, a guy who could light farts. I can't honestly say that I ever tried lighting a fart. Sounds like much the same relationship to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 01:18 AM

Tony Rezko is one of Obama's closest friends.
The fact that you know nothing of the case says a couple of things.
1) You're avid Obama fans and not inclined to go looking for information that would soil your vision of him.
2) The mainstream media has refused to say anything bad about Obama.

Obama allowed this convicted fraudster to purchase the grounds to his home for him while Rezko was already under indictment.
You really should know this stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 03:32 AM

I've tried to explain it for you a little better but I really am wondering if you're pulling my leg about not knowing about Rezko.
People have been screaming at Obama supporters for months, warning them about this.

It's really quite a fascinating study, this Obama thing.
No matter whom he associates himself with or what kinds of shady deals he pulls, Senator Obama is not to blame.
I remember when Teflon first hit the market. They had to take about half the frying pans back because the no stick coating didn't stick.
Well newsflash. Still doesn't. Just peels off slower, that's all.
To those who do not yet understand the significance of this conviction as it relates to Obama, let me at least try to enlighten you.
Mr. Rezko has been convicted.
It's official now.
He is what is known in political circles as an "Influence Peddler".
That means, he gives you gifts-money, you do him favors.
Nothing is done for nothing.
I help you pay for your house (Buy the grounds and give you sole access and free use thereof) & you do something for me.
You will never know what Obama did or was to do in return.
That is the nature of the beast.
The dirty deed never sees the light of day.
Whatever Mr. Obama did or was to do for Mr. Rezko we will probably never know.
But that is of absolutely no consequence.
Why?
Because Mr. Rezko has been convicted & Mr. Obama is beholding to him.
Had he been convicted before Mr. Obama threw his hat in the ring, he (Obama) would never have qualified under his own party's rules.
So now we wait & watch for the next move.
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton holds on to her delegates because (As many super delegates are murmuring) "Hey! You never know".
And John McCain? He get's to say what Hillary never could (thanks to the jury).
That Mr. Obama's best friend & benefactor is a lying, thieving crook.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:25 AM

"best friend". Right. Absolutely. No question.

As I recall, this is the same poster who predicted it would be Romney vs Hillary--and Romney would win.

Certainly a wonderful track record of calm, well-researched argument.

I think we know how seriously to take anything from this source.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: kendall
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:36 AM

And how many crooks have been unearthed in other politician's lives? George Bush was a convicted crook before HE was elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:10 AM

Still, it was pretty crafty on somebody's part to keep the Rezko verdict out of the public eye untill after the last primaries were over. I wonder who was behind that, Tony Rezko maybe, and what does he expect in return?

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:13 AM

Ah, yes, the conspiracy theory du jour. Fresh merchandise for "Smears R Us"?   Good thing--the rest of it is rather stale.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 09:16 AM

"You will never know what Obama did or was to do in return.
That is the nature of the beast.
The dirty deed never sees the light of day."

In other words, you have absolutely no evidence of anything, but are willing to assume there has been some crime by Obama. Hmmm. Little bit of prejudice (not necessarily racial) is clearly showing.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 10:11 AM

Well, Jim, you ARE talking about the next President of the United States. I figure it a well-thoughtout plan on the part of Rezko to get Obama elected and then--are you ready for this?--he can receive a Presidential pardon.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: pdq
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:25 AM

"George Bush was a convicted crook before HE was elected"

When was he convicted? What were the charges? What was the punishment?

The statement is unequivocal and therefore needs to be supported. It was placed into this discussion as a fact and not as an opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:25 AM

Rezko' story is interesting but in my opinion he was just another long time political operator who got sloppy and is now being forced to pay the price.

I don't think there is much of a case for saying that Obama is involved in Rezko's indiscretions but I fully expect that those who would like to see Obama defeated in the fall will try to raise that argument, and if they are ignored I would expect them to shout louder, and maybe even hold their breath.

There are, in contrast, major issues that should be discussed and debated in the Presidential Campaign such as the economy, the war in Iraq, medical insurance, the environment to name a few.

Charley Noble

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:37 AM

Mr. Bush had an arrest and conviction for DUI/DWI, some 20 years before his election. I am unaware of anything else. An ignorant jerk, yes, but "a convicted crook" is a bit of an exaggeration.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: pdq
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM

"Mr. Bush had an arrest and conviction for DUI/DWI"

Prove that one also. I believe he was given a warning for driving to slow on a rural country road. In the car with him were tennis ace Newcomb and their respective wives. The cop did not think he was badly impaired and let him drive home.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM

www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html


Go to that site. (I can't hot-link it.)

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:51 AM

DANG. Yes I can.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 11:51 AM

First of all, other than Obama detracters, very few folks know who this guy is...

Second of all, who cares???

What exactly has Obama done wrong??? Knowing a criminal??? Shoot, if that is the bar for which we measure the qualifications to be elected president then I doubt if there is anyone of the constitutional age to become president who doesn't know a criminal...

I mean, lets get real here... This is a non-story that folks who just happen to love the policies of Bush/McCain have invented to be a distraction... Nothing more... Nothing less...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:06 PM

Yeah, you're right of course.
Obama doesn't even know the guy.
Just some dude who bought a parcel of land for him.
And this U.S. Attorney guy?
Fitzgerald?
Just some ambulance chaser looking to make a name for himself.

Just to give you an idea of how deep this one goes... There was a plan afoot to get Patrick Fitzgerald removed from his position to prevent the Rezko trial for taking place.
Romney was in on it.
The conspiracy crosses party lines.
Expect the governor of Illinois to step down within a week or two.
Rezko chose to begin his sentence immediately rather than wait for sentencing.
He's looking at a lifetime in jail and Fitzgerald is all ears.
You'd better hope he doesn't sing.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:32 PM

Documentation?

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:41 PM

"You'd better hope he doesn't sing."

If he does, will this thread be moved above the line?

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:59 PM

Heh heh!
Ah Bruce.
Yes Tia.
There is plenty of documentation.
Plenty of court documents too.
All in all, quite the list of dirty deeds.
This case started with some fairly low ranking, party insiders being convicted then rolling over on the big wigs.
The Rezko trial is the one that's supposed to crack them all.
That is why this is so significant.
Tony Rezko's claws reach right into the West Wing.
He has corrupted or used corrupt politicians on both sides.
He is the one who got Obama started but to whom the media now refers as being "Obama's one time associate"
And what was Obama's response to the verdict?
"This is not the Tony I know."
Sound familiar?
This is not the Reverend Wright I know.
This is not the Father What's his Face I know.
This is not the Grandmother I know.
This is not the (insert name here) I know.
Who's next?
Michelle?

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 02:32 PM

All sounds remarkably vague. When there is some kind of indication that Obama has actually done anything wrong I am sure that Jim Lad will let us know.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM

This is pure unaltered junk, Jim Lad... You have no evidence whatsoever to link Obama to any crime other than he admittedly knows the guy and purchased some land from the guy???

Where exactly is the beef here, pal, other than stuff you wished that Obama had done???

Tell ya what... This is a true story... Back 'round 1969 a buddy of mine, Fred Shorter, who I had organized anti-war stuff with and who was a close friend had a little run in with Dwayne Dettman, who was a looney... So one night Dwayne was accross the street from Fred's apartment in Richmond, Va. yelling and carrying on about how Fred was this and Fred was that and after a couple hours of this crap Fred went outside and shot Dwayne Dettman dead...

Well, the news spread like wildfire... Yeah, my buddy Fred Shorter shot Dwayne Dettmen dead!!!

Now here's the catch... Yeah, Fred was my friend and I was sho nuff bummed out by the entire episode but...

...I didn't shoot Dwayne Dettman and nor I know that Fred was going to shoot the guy but if I use Jim Lad logic then...

...I'm a cold blooded killer!!!???!!!...

Now one thing about politcans is that they know one heck of a lot more people than the average guy so the chances are even greater that a politican will know someone who has committed a crime but knowing someone who commits a crime is not a crime...

Unless we employ Jim Lad logic and I guess if we were to apply that logic to the genarl population then we'd all have to be locked up...

Tell ya what, Jim, ol' son... When you have evidence that Obama has committed a crime, get back to us... Until then, other than a couple wingnuts here, you are just sounding like sour grapes...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 03:45 PM

The evidence is all there.
Has been all along.
You've been told about it by others and ignored it.
It is one of the reasons why so many have been against Obama all along.
It was one of the first things I discovered when trying to choose between the Democratic candidates.
Like most, I am utterly mind blown by his supporters' ability to put this stuff away.
Even when confronted with the evidence they say "Where's the evidence?".
I can't debate with that kind of skewed logic.
No-one can.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 04:09 PM

"The evidence is all there.
Has been all along.
You've been told about it by others and ignored it."

Where exactly is "there".
Confront me with some actual evidence, and I promise, I will not ignore it.
Seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 04:20 PM

Well, Hillary actually hangs out with the following guy, so I guess she'd be just as bad as Obama, huh? Maybe even worse?

"RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- Second president accused of rape**
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court"

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 04:20 PM

Trust me, pal, there's more than enough shit to go around.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 04:39 PM

Another of my closest friends has at times been rude, has trespassed, has messed with other folks property and had fits where he just didn't want to be around anyone... His name is

...Jesus Christ...

But nevermind that, I am completely with TIA... Where exactly is the beef??? You know, the evidence, like in "Exhibit A"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 05:07 PM

If I show you will you allow yourself to believe it?

I doubt it.

By accepting the gift from Rezko, Obama broke the law.
The law works that way for the precise reason that I explained to you earlier.
It's enough just to find the bribe.
The courts don't need to know what the pay off was for.
A bit like charging someone with murder when all you have is a blood stain.
"Show me enough blood & I don't need to see a body".

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 05:16 PM

"If I show you will you allow yourself to believe it?"

Yes, I promise I will.

Now please show us.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 05:16 PM

Jim, why don't you use CAPS-LOCK so we could see your point better?

You know, your comments about music are far more interesting than your comments about politicians.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:05 PM

Here is one account of what actually transpired.

8 Things to Know about the Obama/Rezko Connection

You know, it has been my observation - and experience - that the person(s) who see wrongdoing in every alley are not people one wishes to cultivate.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:09 PM

Now somebody needs to look into the charity to which Obama donated the money. Hopefully, it wasn't Reverend Wright's church.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:12 PM

It was to a home for Peruvian bastards. He gave to the Bolivian bastards last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:12 PM

BTW, that's paraphrased from WC Fields.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:17 PM

Ebbie: you are a trouble maker. You will mess up this thread if you insist on getting factual.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:23 PM

I think I like the Peruvian bastards better than the Bolivian ones, Peace. Does that make it better? :)

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:29 PM

That was a remark WC made to the IRS in 1945 or 1946 (been years since I saw the movie "WC Fields and Me"). I always liked his work and I loved that movie. He also told the IRS, when they asked about him claiming about 20 cases of gin as a business expense write off: "Yes. I'm a comedian. And when I'm not drunk I'm not funny."

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:36 PM

Start here.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:36 PM

Now wait just a danged minute here... Just 'cause Mad-Lad is mad at Obama ain't no reason to go callin' him a Puruvian bastard... I mean, lets show a little claas here, gang...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:39 PM

Ya know, Jim and I are friends more often than not. I would never call him that. Out to lunch on this issue though he is, he's a good guy the other 99.9% of the time. And I know you're foolin' around, too, Bobert, because I feel the same way about you. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Rezko Guilty
From: kendall
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 07:44 PM

George W Bush was convicted of oui in Maine. I understand it was the second time. When he was asked if he had used alcohol after 1976, he lied and said no.
A certain lawyer here uncovered the conviction and it appeared in the Portland Press Herald in 2000 during the campaign for president. The lawyer's name is Tom Connoly, and he got death threats from Bush supporters for him and his family. It was not a big expose' because the Bushs are nobility here and the Portland papers are republican.

It all pales into nothing compared to his lies about Iraq which have led to the deaths of at least ten thousand Iraqis.

Kudos to Scott McLellan for having the guts to expose this creep for what he is!