BS: Obama in Wilmington

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 09:34 AM

I suppose the trouble is, when its a GUEST involved in a squabble with a member it can't be conducted via PMs. But perhaps it might be better, when this happens, for the antagonists to start up a separate thread in which to square off against each other? Rather like moving out from the bar into the pub carpark to sort out a difference. Except in this case there's no danger of real blood being spilled. Just virtual blood.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 11:52 AM

You're entitled to your opinions, Fantasma, but I disagree with you about Emma B. I also don't think you are in any position to point fingers about people railing against any of the candidates.

Having said that, there is nothing misogynistic about JtS' distaste for Hillary. She used to be his second choice for nominee until he saw the kind of underhanded tactics she was using against Obama. That's what has caused him to revise his opinion of her and to come to profoundly dislike her as a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 12:03 PM

I have to disagree with you, too, McGrath. I find that the back channel stuff is frequently far more destructive than what goes on in the open forum, and is frequently the cause of bad feelings that surface in the open forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: GUEST,Dismayed
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 03:08 PM

Things I have learned during this campaign season:

In a race that includes a former First Lady of the United States and a multimillionaire Republican senator rumored to share up to eight residences with his wife, the black guy from Chicago is unforgivably elitist.

Racism in America is caused primarily by black Chicago preachers.

The guy who keeps getting confused over the relationship between Iraq, Iran, and al Qaeda is the foreign policy expert.

The guy who goes to campaign stops on his wife's private jet aircraft is the most down-to-earth.

The guy who changed his stance on tax cuts, Roe v. Wade, immigration, gun control, the confederate flag, torture, public financing, and his own anti-earmark rhetoric is the "straight talker".

People in the heartland don't like it when you call them bitter, but they do like it when you explain to them that they're too dumb to understand issues more important than whether or not they like to be called bitter.

Arugula is the measure of a man.

Bowling is the measure of a man.

Orange juice is the measure of a man.

Flag pins are the measure of a man.

Success in Iraq consists of any reduction in violence, except when violence increases that's good too.

A recession is only a recession if you call it one.

Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Karl Rove, Maureen Dowd, David Brooks, David Broder, Charles Krauthammer and Bob Novak are all intensely interested in giving advice to the Democratic candidates because they just want to be helpful.

There are people in this world dumb enough to believe every one of these things.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 03:15 PM

Nice cut and paste, there Dismayed. I've read that one too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 03:54 PM

We just came back from Obama headquarters. The 82 year old lady, Ms Weiss, who Obama asked to be his running mate at the rally, was working the phones there. JtS and I had a nice chat with her. She's a pretty amazing person.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 04:22 PM

Fantasma,

I am used to reading things from you that I do not think have been thoroughly thought through. I will put you calling me a misogynist in that category. The only thing that I have said about Mrs. Clinton that has anything to do with her gender is saying that being First Lady is not a qualification for the President.

No thoughtful person would consider that misogyny.

Again, what Emma has said in her first post is not dead on. I repeated the word snuck and it was an accurate description for what she did. Nor was it particularly meant to be derogatory. Apparently it was a calculated move to steal some of the local spotlight form Obama. To a degree it worked, but the recent Rev. Wright flap made that point moot and got a lot of that attention back.

I have never called anyone a racist for not being enthralled. I did say that Ferraro was racist for saying that Obama was lucky to be where he is. Since then, she made a misogynist comment about her own Vice Presidential run. At this point, I am disinclined to call her anything but just crazy.

I have no sexist agenda against Hillary. I am against her because she is knowingly decreasing her party's chances for, at best, a one in ten chance of winning a two person race. I am against her because she has been actively praising John McCain in the same sentence where she dissed her own party member. I am against her because she has poorly managed her campaign. I am against her pandering and her close connection to and defense of lobbyists. I am also against her using her time as first lady as a qualification. I hope no one considers it misogynist to say that I don't want the first woman President to have ridden in on her husband's coattails.

There are other things, like her recent support of John McCain's "Tax holiday" that show me that we would get business as usual in DC if Mrs. Clinton is elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 04:23 PM

Nice post Dismayed. If you got it somewhere else, please give credit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama in Wilmington
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 04:56 PM

Things I Have Learned this Campaign Season