BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!

Subject: BS: post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 10:17 AM

New Scientist published a precis of research by Stephen Lewandowsky of Bristol Uni (UK) re politicians who consistently lie.

Basically it found that fact checking altered voting intentions, significantly, in people shown false statements previously. No surprise? Read on.

The tests were done in Australia and also in the US - where in the latter case the results were 10 times smaller. To be fair Oz culture is to be famously "not afraid to question authority".


But - in 2020 - be afraid America, be very afraid............

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 10:55 AM

Here is one that lies. Mike Pompeo recently in Cairo:
in which he cited “America’s innate goodness” in making the absolutely ridiculous claim that “America is a force for good in the Middle East” which has been “absent too much” from the region previously. America’s nonstop deadly interventionism in the Middle East is “good”, because America is “innately good”.

America’s constant military interventionism, election interference and other nastiness are painted as Good Things done by Good Guys to fight the Bad Guys. The argument, when you boil it right down, is that if America wasn’t constantly starting wars, invading sovereign nations, staging coups, sponsoring proxy conflicts, arming terrorists, bombing civilians, torturing people, implementing starvation sanctions on impoverished populations, pointing nuclear weapons everywhere, spying on us all with a globe-spanning Orwellian surveillance network, interfering in foreign elections, and patrolling the skies with flying death robots, the Bad Guys might win.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 11:00 AM

Someone had to take over when the British Empire collapsed, didn't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 12:31 PM

Iains, no conflict anywhere is as simplistic as what you just typed.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 01:01 PM

leeneia. You are quite correct. Nothing wrong with the American people, the problem lies within government and the deep state.
How many months in her history has America not been at war? The meddling started in 1846 with the Mexican War, followed by Samoa, then the annexation of Hawaii. This was followed by adventures in Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Phillipines and China-all in the 19th century. Post WW2, operation meddling went on steroids, with the formation of the CIA. The present debacle in Syria In 2016, from an estimated pre-war population of 22 million, the United Nations identified 13.5 million Syrians requiring humanitarian assistance, of which more than 6 million are internally displaced within Syria, and around 5 million are refugees outside of Syria. It is also estimated 500,000 have been killed. All from an illegal war where some countries allegedly have very close ties with certain terrorist groups. This is not absolutely proven but has far more credibility than Assad allegedly gassing his ownpeople.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 02:23 PM

Hour of Public Radio interview with James Owen Weatherall, professor of logic and philosophy of science at the University of California, Irvine. His book is The Misinformation Age: How False Beliefs Spread. Several callers used this discussion to ask about Trump's lies. The first link is to a program that is in progress now, the podcast will be available later on this afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 19 - 11:33 AM

I was surprised that people over 60 share the most fake news.
Maybe they are rightly outraged the most?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Jan 19 - 04:36 PM

When discussing a matter like this.

How does one confirm whether the basic research quoted is factual?

Subject: Post Awareness Fake News
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 19 - 06:31 PM

Follow the money.
Trump paid for Fake on line polls and he still came in no better than 5th.

Things that sound fake but are true:
There is a dance called 'the Giuliani'
Like a Seinfeld soup Nazi episode there is now an airplane Nazi"No plane for you!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jan 19 - 07:47 PM

Nigel, go to reputable sources to begin with. Copy and paste the first line or two of the story into Google and see where else it appears or where it came from. Send the keywords to Snopes.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Fake news research. Oh dear!
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jan 19 - 09:45 AM

Snopes only works on US stories. Good as it is.

The BBC is pretty good, and on the subject of political bias in UK political stories the BBC are constantly tested by criticism from both the left and right in about equal measure. But they have made mistakes in the past, usually on non-political stories.

And as far as the OP is concerned the source is quoted, who in turn quotes its source. They can be checked, but I haven't.