BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'

Subject: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 04:05 PM

Bush's Medicare reforms are smoke and mirrors. He 'reformed' 401k's by stealing them, like his daddy did with the S&L's, and now Junior is going to plunder Medicare.

He will wreck it so badly that the nation will eventually turn to that champion of healthcare...Hillary Clinton...to fix the mess.

But there is no difference between big govt. Repubs and Dems...they all want total social control.

This is the script...Bush Sr. hand-picked his successor (lieutenant in the CIA drug-trade Bill Clinton, who proved himself trustworthy by protecting the cocaine drop point at Mena, Arkansas), then an unelectable Dole ran against Clinton, then an election was rigged for Bush Jr., and the next one (2004) will be rigged for him too since he is having so much success stealing our rights, and then Hillary will be brought in (2008) to deliver the coup de grace. The Bush Company knows it can trust the Clintons, and 'healthcare' is going to be the issue that turns the country over to the Clintons once again.

And then the fun will REALLY begin. Hillary's Healthcare will consist of mass-euthanasia at the hands of a woman who wrote a touchy-feely book called 'It Takes a Village' (she couldn't really be GASSING people who haven't been vaccinated, could she?). The Bushes and Clintons, together, will turn America over to the U.N. and it's forced population reduction programs.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 04:18 PM

Actually, I read "It Takes A Village". It was well-written and quite sympathetic to the problems of child-rearing in this country.
Health insurance has become such a racket that it's about time we considered national health insurance.

Don't know what the "gassing" reference is.

Politics has always been about power and control. What's new?

We might eliminate government interference in the quest for making money but at what cost?

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: DougR
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 05:05 PM

Another GUEST flame? Ho Hum.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: mack/misophist
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 07:06 PM

Mao said it first but Bush seems to be in complete agreement "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 07:50 PM

The gassing reference concerns the German Jews in WW2. People had trouble believing assembly-line murder of civilians was possible. And of course Hillary's book was slanted towards kids. EVERY abuse in our government stems from a promise to do something 'for the children'. They're going to disarm us 'for the children', but the REAL reason is so the U.N. can enslave us. The 'war on drugs' is 'for the children', but the real reason for the war on drugs is to give cops control over your life. If you have a thousand bucks in your wallet, you can be arrested because you might be on your way to a drug purchase. And the arresting jurisdiction can seize ALL YOUR PROPERTY. For the children. The Bush Company is dismantling the Constitution because Americans 'have too many freedoms', and that's bad 'for the children'. You probably just watched endless hours of political ads, and I bet 90% of them began by talking about education, etc...for the children. Any politician who prefaces his or her lie with 'for the children' has no scruples. I was a Democrat until a year ago, and now the thought of H. Clinton in the White House spooks me more than that stump-ignorant maniac GW. Hillary Clinton could get away with mass-murder because she'd talk about programs 'for the children' while the Cyklon-B showers disposed of us. The Clintons and Bushes both need to be prohibited from practicing politics in America. Do you think Hillary was REALLY ignorant that her husband was murdering reporters asking questions about the airfield at Mena, Arkansas while Bush Sr. brought his family's cocaine in there? Hillary is covered in blood already, no matter who ghost writ a book for her. Buy guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 08:13 PM

"" The gassing reference concerns the German Jews in WW2. People had trouble believing assembly-line murder of civilians was possible. ""

Quite true

""And of course Hillary's book was slanted towards kids. EVERY abuse in our government stems from a promise to do something 'for the children'. They're going to disarm us 'for the children',""

A classic political ploy. Get what you want by deflecting the purpose to something good. No entirely unlioke The Twilight Zone episode To Serve Man.

"" but the REAL reason is so the U.N. can enslave us. ""

This goes alittle far afield but what the hell, I agree with the Guest so far ( Why am I frightened for my own sanity here)

"" The 'war on drugs' is 'for the children', but the real reason for the war on drugs is to give cops control over your life. If you have a thousand bucks in your wallet, you can be arrested because you might be on your way to a drug purchase. And the arresting jurisdiction can seize ALL YOUR PROPERTY. For the children.""

Scarily this may well be the case. People are profiled in airports regarding how they pay for tickets and the amountof luggage they carry. People have been wrongly arrested and their goods confiscated and never returned. 60 Minutes did a story a few years ago about a land grab perpetrated by the city of Los Angeles on an otherwise honest property owner.

"" The Bush Company is dismantling the Constitution because Americans 'have too many freedoms', and that's bad 'for the children'. You probably just watched endless hours of political ads, and I bet 90% of them began by talking about education, etc...for the children. Any politician who prefaces his or her lie with 'for the children' has no scruples.""

Saddly I believe this to be completely true. Am I as sick as our dear "Guest" may well be.

"" I was a Democrat until a year ago, and now the thought of H. Clinton in the White House spooks me more than that stump-ignorant maniac GW. ""

Me too, Dear Guest. Me too. sigh.

"" Hillary Clinton could get away with mass-murder because she'd talk about programs 'for the children' while the Cyklon-B showers disposed of us. The Clintons and Bushes both need to be prohibited from practicing politics in America. Do you think Hillary was REALLY ignorant that her husband was murdering reporters asking questions about the airfield at Mena, Arkansas while Bush Sr. brought his family's cocaine in there? Hillary is covered in blood already, no matter who ghost writ a book for her. Buy guns.""

And now you have completely lost me. I buy alot of what you say up to this point. I'll leave it this way To fiscally bankrupt the nation you need a millionaire Republican business man, too morally bankrupt the nation, that takes a morally bankrupt person, Republican or Democrat.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 09:10 PM

Hey, GUEST, I've had this discussion with you (or a similar GUEST) in the past and the guns part is where we part company. Guns play to the strength of the government. Non-vilence peaks to its weaknesses.

At one time Mao was correct in hism thinking that power comes from the end of a gun. That was before the weaponry of today. Plus, even if the people could take back their counrty with guns, think about it. What's changed. Think "Animal Farm" here.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

No, the only way to take back our country is to win the hearts and imaginations and visions of the working class atb a time when Boss Hog is tightening his grip. This is going to take the following:

* Street Education
* Non-violent Protesting
* Civil Disobedience
* Community Organizing
* Creativity
* Boycotts
* National Strikes

No guns, please, we have to win. Just think of the power of a national strike. Think it can't happen in the US? It can and eventually it will. No reason to play into the genocidal plans by the ruling class by having our best shot down in the streeets because they thought it would be a good idea to take on tanks with guns. You loose.

And like I have said, what have you changed? Nothing.

War
What is is good for
Nothing
Absolutely nothing

Peace and Change thru Non-violence, please

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: Troll
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 09:53 PM

And what will you do if they decide to use the tanks to break the strike, Bobert? Non-violence only works if you are up against an enemy with a conscience.
If the revered Mahatma had gone up against, say, the Germany of the 1930's, his civil disobeidence movement would have died with its first demonstration. They'ed simply have killed them all and that would have been that.
The Chinese Pro-Democracy movement was defused when the demonstrators agreed to disperse. But the leaders were arrested and China is still in the hands of the ruling class of the Communist party and the Peoples Liberation Army. Despite some movement toward economic liberalization it is likely to remain so.
BTW, what would you set up in place of our current form of government?
And GUEST, just what planet are you from anyway?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 11:04 PM

Just return to the form of government we had in 1789...constitutional republic. Simple as that. Try and execute the traitors currently selling out our country in Washington, then keep their replacements honest. And no government control or restrictions upon the media except libel and slander laws. It works.

And if we DON'T do that, the tyrannical picture of the future I painted is coming. Sure as dawn. And just as a phony conservative is now Federalizing all aspects of our lives (big-government's Democrat dream being carried out by a 'states-rights conservative'), the bloody culling process will be done by another shill...someone you wouldn't think capable of such a thing. Mother and long-suffering wife who wrote an Oprah book...Hillary Clinton. It's coming folks, if we allow the Homeland Security Act and PATRIOT Act to be implemented. The govt. will be able to seize all your worldly possessions for the 'threat' of a bioattack and relocate you anywhere they want. Read the legislation.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 11:18 PM

Troll:

Make up your mind. One day you are this "labor leader", the next... a memebr of the ruling class. Now if you are talking taking up arms against this governemnt then I'd like you to just go on record, like GUEST has done.

As for me, count me out. Shoot my sorry ass down right there in then streets but don't let them say that I pointed a gun at 'em 'cause that will be a lie....

So you ready to take to the streets with a gun in your hands, troll?

Didn't think so.

Heck, on another thread you're preaching strike bustin'!

You gotta make up your mind, my brother. You gotta make up *your* mind....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's 'Medicare reform'
From: Troll
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 11:33 PM

Bobert, I have never claimed to be a "labor leader". a member of the ruling class, nor have I- to the best of mu knowledge- ever preached strike busting.
Will I defend my family and my rights?
Yes.
I made up my mind on that score many years ago.
Will I use violent means if I deem it necessary?
Well... that would be telling, wouldn't it. Always keep your adversary guessing. It can give you an edge.

troll ***BTW, if you will not fight to protect your family, then yours is indeed a "sorry ass".***