BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran

Subject: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Goose Gander
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:00 PM

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said.

If this transcript and article are accurate, then I'm worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:08 PM

"Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes 'We Would Be Able to Totally Obliterate Them'"

From the lead of the article quoted. Puts a different light on it, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:12 PM

You can listen to it here in her own voice.

Olbermann and Hillary.

It is not exactly a threat to "obliterate Iran."
But it is quite troubling. She offers massive retaliation, BY THE UNITED STATES not only in the case of Iran attacking Israel. But also an umbrella of retaliation covering a host of other unspecified countries in the event of an "unprovoked" nuclear attack by Iran. This seems to me to be unwise on several levels. For one who refuses to talk about hypotheticals for something as trivial as today's Pennsylvania primary. It looks like a hypothetical offer of alliances she would not be authorized to make without congress, even if she were President. On the other hand she seems to be trying her own hands and hypothetically tying here own hypothetical hands way too prematurely.

This woman is not fit to be President. I am concerned that she will kill thousands, just to show she has balls.

Teddy Roosevelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick." Not "Bark like a puppy and the world might fear you."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:17 PM

Hell, if Iran attacked Israel with nukes, Israel would be able to totally obliterate them, let alone the USA!

Talk about stating the perfectly bloody obvious...

Israel does not need the USA's nukes in order to totally obliterate Iran...Israel has plenty of nukes of their own to do it.

An how is it taken when an Iranian politician makes such provocative statements in regards to Israel or the USA? Not well.

So why is it deemed perfectly okay for our politicians to make such provocative statements in regards to Iran? Why is our sabre-rattling assumed to be perfectly okay, but theirs is considered criminal?

Double standard. As usual. We are apparently considered human, Israelis are apparently considered human, but Iranians? Oh, they're just Islamic vermin...to be exterminated whenever we see fit. That is the underlying message of this kind of jingoistic blather. It's what resonates unspoken between the lines. We're human. They're not. We will destroy them.

The only question appears to be: when? Nice attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM

If she'd make a similar promise in respect of Iran, if it were to get similarly attacked, it might go some way to reduce the pressure on that country to acquire a nuclear deterrent.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:22 PM

>>Hell, if Iran attacked Israel with nukes, Israel would be able to totally obliterate them, let alone the USA!<<

Not according to Hillary, who says that we must stop at nothing to keep Iran from being the only nuclear power in the region. Talk about drinking the AIPAC Koolaid.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:22 PM

"...but Iranians? Oh, they're just Islamic vermin...to be exterminated whenever we see fit..."

Oh, poppycock. Iran (and the Iranian people) was America's strongest ally in the Middle East starting in 1925, long before the modern state of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:25 PM

That was then. This is now. The script has changed.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:33 PM

For other such spectacular script changes, look at how the roles of Russia and China as "friend, ally, and trading partner" or "Godless Communist enemy of humanity" have been altered repeatedly since 1925! ;-) Why be surprised that Iran's script has totally reversed itself since 1925? It would be more surprising had it not. Official "friends" become official "enemies" the moment they have something you want and won't surrender it...or the moment they stand in the way of your next grand plan.

It's all a matter of self-interest and imperial expediency. The Empire has designs on Iran at this time. Iran is no threat to the Empire and very little threat to Israel, but the Empire is an absolutely deadly threat to Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:39 PM

And, gee, look at how the role of Japan has changed since 1925! ;-) Or Chile. (Godless under Allende) Or Venezuela. (Godless under Chavez) Or Cuba. (peachy keen under Batista, Godless under Castro)

Even dear old Canada was the official enemy back in 1812. It's all bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM

"It's all bullshit"

That is a bit more reasonable than the rest of your rant, Birdfeathers.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:51 PM

Thanks. ;-) I knew you'd come around.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 02:51 PM

"Clinton on an Iran Attack: 'Obliterate Them'
Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them." "

Yes, the context is conditional on Iran attacking Israel with nukes.

But the next sentence makes no sense at all and makes her sound sociopathic. You don't threaten to obliterate a foreign nation for "considering" launching an attack anymore than you arrest someone for "dreaming of" assassinating an incompetent, scurrilous, economically destructive nutball of a leader!

IF her political decisions are going to based on this kind of pushbutton histrionic logic, we should demote her to perfume sales at Macy's.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:01 PM

That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic (Clinton, after the above quotes)

The first post in this thread is an exercise in lying with a literally correct quote by leaving out the context.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:02 PM

The USA has been openly considering and discussing a possible attack on Iran for years now. Does this give someone a right to obliterate the USA? (No one can, of course, but if they could...would it give them the right?)

Like I said, it's all bullshit.

American politicians seem to feel quite free to utter death threats at other nations whenever they wish (in order to get their sillier citizens to vote for them)...but they go completely batshit berserk when people in other nations utter similar death threats for some reason...or when they are misquoted as having done so. ;-) That's because Americans think they think they are the "good guys", the real humans, the "chosen people", the self-appointed saviours and policemen of the world and the others who don't see it their way are just vermin.

And that is patently obvious to Third World people.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Goose Gander
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:28 PM

"The first post in this thread is an exercise in lying with a literally correct quote by leaving out the context."

No, it wasn't. I posted this quote, with link to the article, to start a discussion. My first thought went back that quote from the Iranian president about 'wiping Israel off the map' (which, according to Juan Cole, is not at all what he said but more about that later). Both statements are abhorrent, whatever the context, because they make the possibility of peace more distant and that of war more conceivable.

First McCain talking about 100 years of occupation (read: war) in Iraq, and now Clinton speaking openly of mass murder on a genocidal scale. Obama's looking better and better all the time. At least he seems to have something on his mind besides WAR WAR WAR.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:36 PM

First, Hillary will never BE the C-in-C. So, relax everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:38 PM

Your faith can move mountains. Let's do that!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:44 PM

If Iran wasn't deterred by 200 or so Israeli nuclear weapons pointed at them from a few hundred miles, the prospect of the USA chipping in as well isn't too likely to change things.

The reason Iran might seek to develop nuclear weapons would be to deter attacks, such as the war of aggression launched by Iraq a few years back under Saddam when he was a valued US ally, or an invasion comparable to that carried out against Iraq five years ago, when Saddam had ceased to be a valued US ally, or an attack by Israel, with its massive nuclear arsenal, and US backing.

Those are real and reasonable fears, and they need to be addressed by firm guarantees that no such attacks will be waged or tolerated, even if carried out by friends of the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:48 PM

Threatening obliteration in exchange for any attack borders on Strangelovian lunacy. If one Iranian happens to fly off the handle and attack say an airforce base in the southern Israel, which is known to harbor Nuclear missiles which Israel is aiming at Iran, Mrs. President will kill 40 million Iranians, not known to be involved in the attacks?

Thinking strategically, from Israel's point of view a fakes attack on its own base could lead to the elimination of their biggest enemy without the loss of very many, if any Israeli lives. Heck they could have nukes on their own bases set to go off when any Iranian missile, large enough to carry a nuke, hits any of their bases.

The President of the US simply cannot make promises about such things that are so far outside America's control.

This is the woman who went apeshit when Obama calmly suggested that if we had highly reliable intelligence of highly dangerous Al Qaeda leaders in Iraq we should should take them out.

Now this woman wants to promise world war three over any attack on Israel when Israel has the missiles and Nukes to launch a counter attack of their own.

I am all for the US using its might to keep countries from being bullied, if and when that is the case. But I do not want a president who paints us into a corner by rashly trying to look tough. Eight years of that was enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:49 PM

The converse should be said about attacks against Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM

I think she's after the Republican vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:03 PM

"Threatening obliteration in exchange for any attack borders on Strangelovian lunacy. If one Iranian happens to fly off the handle and attack say an airforce base in the southern Israel, which is known to harbor Nuclear missiles which Israel is aiming at Iran, Mrs. President will kill 40 million Iranians, not known to be involved in the attacks? "

THAT IS THE WHOLE BASIS of MAD- Which is why I want to see anti-missile systems in place that provide for some other response. Like stopping the IRBM BEFORE it goes off.

But the response to THAT ( in thread discussion) was that it was better to just have a GTW and kill everybody, since it might annoy Russia to be able to prevent that impact.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:05 PM

They are not that stupid. Republicans realise that Hillary is not fit to hold public office and a few gratuitious statements that reflect what she thinks they want to hear will be ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:06 PM

Folks,
Iran has repeatedly stated it's intention to obliterate Israel. Whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons of it's own is not "public" knowledge, but mostly highly informed speculation as there has never been a test of such a weapon that would prove they have one.

This is in all probability an attempt to secure the Jewish vote and any swing voters who don't feel that Obama is strong enough on national security (He has stated that he'd meet with the leaders of the countries which still regard Israel as a target rather than a country, something our current leadership won't do).

Considering we do have treaties with Israel that we will defend her as an ally, I don't think her statement is much of a surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:14 PM

This is precisely why I have referred to Hillary as McClinton... Her views of the world are purdy much the same as McWar and Bush's... MIllions of preconditions brfore talking with folks... She is dangerous...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Leadbelly
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:16 PM

She sounds like Bismarck (Germany) long time ago and - sorry to say- like Hitler. All consequences included.
Suppose, nothing will change in US-foreign policy after Bush. Might even become worse.
Cannot understand the majority of american people. What do they think they are!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:20 PM

I figured it was a given that the US (and Israel, if they could) would obliterate Iran if it attacked Israel unilaterally.

By the way, Chief Chaos, Iran has not ever stated any intention to obliterate Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:21 PM

I should rephrase my post...


I figured it was a given that the US (and Israel, if they could) would obliterate Iran if it attacked Israel unilaterally with nuclear weapons.

By the way, Chief Chaos, Iran has not ever stated any intention to obliterate Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:22 PM

Then "wipe Israel off the map!" must have something with cartography, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:24 PM

Yeah, I think they use Windex.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:25 PM

Iran has repeatedly stated it's intention to obliterate Israel.

No Iran has not. The President has said that "It should be wiped of the map." That was within the context of a speech about the United Nations creating Israel in the first place. There was no talk of physical attack on israel with bombs.

The real leaders of Iran have not talked on the subject.

>>Whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons of it's own is not "public" knowledge, but mostly highly informed speculation as there has never been a test of such a weapon that would prove they have one.<<

Dozens of people who would know including US and UK intelligence and the people who helped design and build them have said that Israel has had the bomb. I believe that they have it. More important, the rest of the middle east knows that they have the bomb.

I think it would be a more useful umbrella of Peace if Hillary would pledge to attack Israel if it ever used the bomb on one of its neighbors.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:26 PM

Yep, "Windex, the final solution".

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:27 PM

For one thing, they didn't state an intention to make it happen. They said they think it should happen, and secondly, they were talking about the political entity (like the political entity of the Soviet Union), not the people or the physical land area itself. In fact, they themselves said they were using that term to mean they would like to see in Israel what happened to the Soviet Union. That did not happen with nuclear weapons. It happened politically. And that is what Iran was saying it wanted. It also did not state any intention to do anything to make that happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM

Not Windex, a UN resolution. Not cartography, politics.

If Israel had the same rules for democracy as the US, EU, Japan, Canada or Australia, and now even South Africa does. Then everyone within its post 1967 borders, which by any sane standard includes Gaza and the West Bank could vote and it would not exist as it does now. Certainly it would have to stop importing Jews from the rest of the world to supplant Christians and Muslims from their land, as it stands even Christians and Muslims who are citizens do not vote.

In Iran's opinion, justice would mean the colonizers would have to vote equally with the natives as is now the case in South Africa. Crazy and evil as you may think they are. Their argument is not without merit.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:50 PM

So Hillary's "If-then" statement is a terrible thing even though she is merely stating what our position is and has been since formal recognition of Israel, but the "face" of the Iranian leadership stating that "Israel should have been wiped off the face of the earth" is just some poor, misunderstood, delusional man?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:53 PM

Iran should actually apply the concept of justice to its own citizens. They could use some. Meanwhile the same shit will float or be flung back and forth by the same roster of players and not one damned thing will change as a result.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:56 PM

A nuclear armed Iran is not going to attack Israel, that would be suicide and they know it.

That is not the danger, this is what is - Now having the technology, the materials and the finances to build a bomb, there is nothing whatsoever to stop the Al-Quds Brigade of the IRRG giving that to one of the terrorist organisations they support, in order that that organisation attacks Israel by proxy. There is no "Government" to blame, those left shrug their shoulders and blame "rogue elements" and most here would meekly accept that explanation and make excuses to justify the actions of those who carried out the attack.

Iran can chose its path, if it opts for nuclear energy complete with a weapons programme, it has to be told in no uncertain manner any "accidents", such as that described above, and proof, or no proof, they pick up the tab for it.

Kevin:
"200 or so Israeli nuclear weapons" - Does Israel really have more nuclear weapons than the UK? Source please.

"The reason Iran might seek to develop nuclear weapons would be to deter attacks, such as the war of aggression launched by Iraq a few years back under Saddam when he was a valued US ally" - Was Saddam a valued ally of the USA in 1980 Kevin? Source please.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:57 PM

Personally, I think the much worse thing that Hillary is doing is repeating the lie that Iran wants to obliterate Israel. That sets things up for someone to do a false flag operation on Israel as a justification to wage a first strike nuclear attack on Iran, which is the real goal, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 04:59 PM

They'd rather obliterate the US, but we're really big.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: bobad
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:00 PM

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies."

http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816

I guess al jazeera got it wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:04 PM

"This is in all probability an attempt to secure the Jewish vote and any swing voters who don't feel that Obama is strong enough on national security"

Correct. That is exactly what it is. Political maneuvers to get votes.

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Iran (meaning) Ahmadinejad did NOT state an intention to "wipe Israel off the map". That is a complete and probably deliberate misquote of what Ahmadinejad ever said. He never said that. No matter how many times you wishful thinkers say he said, he did not say it. He quoted an old statement of the Ayatollah Kohmeini that the Israeli regime (meaning the present Israeli political regime) would one day (at an undetermined time) "pass from the page of time" (cease to rule that area of land). Uh-huh. An easy thing to say, because ALL political regimes one day pass from the page of time. They pass from the page of time for a tremendous variety of reasons, such as...

economic failure
social change
a major change in policy, resulting in a new type of regime
war
and many other possible causes

No statement was made by either the Ayatollah or Ahmadinejad that the nation of Iran would be the agent of causing that passage from the page of time. No threat was made regarding military action by Iran to make the Israeli political regime pass from the page of time.

What the Ayatollah was saying was simply this, "these guys (Zionists)ain't gonna be around forever". Right. And neither will the Ayatollahs be around forever. They all pass from the page of time one day. Count on it. They do.

The Soviet Union passed from the page of time in 1989. That did not wipe Russia off the map, did it? The Roman Empire passed from the page of time. Italy and its people are still there. The Nazis passed from the page of time. The Germans and Germany are still there. The Shah's government passed from the page of time in 1979. Iran was not wiped off the map. Saddam's Baath regime passed from the page of time in 2003. Iraq has not been wiped off the map. No nation that I know of has been wiped off the map except for some very unfortunate North American Indian tribes (like the Beothuks in Newfoundland).

Ahmandinejad never said that Iran would wipe Israel off the map, and it's been discredited for so long now that he supposedly said that that it is really quite amazing that people will insist on still repeating it as a justification for their fear of Iran. Is a lie a truth once you have repeated it for the 800,000th time? Apparently. I guess it doesn't matter if you simply MUST believe it's true, does it?

He didn't say it.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:04 PM

She didn't repeat any such thing. She merely stated that if they did attack, we'd respond.
Israel and everyone else there do not want us to perform a nuclear strike in the first place. Think of the radioactive fall-out and where it would end up.

Also, they, the Iranians, speak of the "Zionist State" which is what Israel was established as. I don't think that you're going to see a departure from that. I don't think they're going to be a secular state when they were created as a result of Hitler and others trying to wipe out everyone who was even remotely Jewish.

The funny thing here is that I don't think Israel is handling the terrorist strikes against it correctly and I wish we'd stop backing them so much. It's just one of a number of reasons that radical Islamic/Muslim groups use to justify their actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:05 PM

You should have read further, bobad. It goes on to say this...


Addressing about 4000 students gathered in an Interior Ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point "where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".

It says right there that they are talking about the government entity (Zionist regime), not the country itself or its people.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Peace
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:08 PM

"A nuclear armed Iran is not going to attack Israel, that would be suicide and they know it."

The Israeli philosophy is a paraphrase from The Bible: "Do unto others as they would do unto you. But do it first."

I agree with that philosophy both in the context of this thread and in real life. People like to toss around half-digested bullshit that a friend of a friend, etc. Israel has sufficient nuclear weaponry to destroy the entire middle East. I'm glad the weapons are in Israeli hands rather that the hands of others there.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: pdq
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:12 PM

Amen to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:15 PM

Surely there is a difference between Zionism and Democracy. Zionism is for Jews who want to expand and steal other's land using the bible as a land deed and for those crazy "christians" who want to hasten the end times. Democracy is for everyone and is the path to peace.

Surely calling on Palestinians to resist is not a threat to destroy Israel with nukes. Even the most fanatical Likudniks would have to concede that since the Iranians want to help the Muslim Palistinians, that the Iranians would have to be aware that the physical obliteration of Israel would kill nearly as many Muslims as Jews. The people who say that Iran wants to nuke Israel are either ill informed or they are lying to promote a Zionist agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:18 PM

Getting back to Israel. Promising such retaliation was empty, rash, tough talk. We have had enough of that for the last eight years. She might be palatable is she at least had as much sense as Slick Willy.

It is the little dogs that are most likely to bite and they do it out of fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:20 PM

Chief Chaos, she did repeat it the lie, although she prefaced it by saying "some people say". She was referring to the gossip smear that has been making the rounds for a while now saying that the political leadership in Iran is mentally unstable and they might be crazy enough to want to become martyrs. Watch the interview with her and Olberman in JtS' link in the third post in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:21 PM

I agree that at the present time it seems almost inconceivable that the Zionist regime in Israel would ever come to an end (through an internal process).

However, it wasn't very long ago that it seemed inconceivable that the Soviet government would ever come to an end through an internal process.

But they did! And Russia was not wiped off the map.

Every form of government, every regime, someday passes from the page of time, and then it's gone. If you wait long enough (as a disembodied spirit watching the world), you will see that this is true.

The Ayatollah was saying that the Zionists would be gone one day (as something he would like to see). I'm sure they will...but that day may be a century off...or five centuries in the future...or more than that. It may be in 1,000 years. Who can say?

Does the USA not frequently express the fervent hope and desire for the present regime of Iran to be gone? It does! How is that any different from the Iranians hoping that the present Zionist regime will one day be gone? Anyone can hope that a present "enemy" will not be around at some point. That does not equal a threat of launching open war, nor are the Iranians in any kind of position to do so.

Were they to build a few A-bombs of their own, they would still be in no position to do so, but they would have a credible deterrent against being attacked by tremendously superior American and Israeli nuclear firepower.