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Subject: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:36 PM In view of the fact that the Labor Day holiday weekend in the U.S. is one of the busiest for DUI patrols, I thought it might be interesting to find out if anybody has a sure-fire way of "beating" the breathalizer. This subject came up in a discussion among friends at my local Pub last night. One suggested that if you hold a copper penny under your tongue when you blow into the breathalizer, it will foul up the reading. Another said eating peanuts before taking the test will allow you to pass with flying colors. Someone else suggested that chocolate will do the trick. Any other ideas? I hope no Mudcatters in the U.S. are subjected to the test this weekend but it might be a good idea to be sure you carry a copper penny around with you. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Mbo Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:41 PM Yeah, I got one. How about DON'T GET TANKED. Or get a designated driver. You know, the guy who doesn't pop brain cells and kill innocent people every holiday? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: campfire Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:42 PM How about - NOT DRINKING TOO MUCH! That's the only "sure-fire" way. There are lots of "tales", and perhaps some work for some people - but who really knows what the results would have been anyway? Since you seem to have it handy, maybe a mouthwash made of Yak pee would foul up the machine. campfire |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: wildlone Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:44 PM As Mbo said dont drink and drive |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Willie-O Date: 02 Sep 00 - 06:45 PM Don't know how it works in the States but in Canada if you don't provide a breath sample when required to do so, you're subject to the same penalties as if you were proven to be impaired. And the breathalyser sample is not the only legal proof of impaired driving, just the most technical & quantifiable one. Don't know how to get a falsely low reading, but there are lots of ways to get a false high one. Take a swig of mouthwash, for example. Or if you have just one beer and then provide a breath sample a few minutes later, it will probably be high. (That's why they take you down to the station and do a second sample within an hour or so if you blow a positive on the roadside test.) Best way of course is to avoid getting into that situation where you see the flashing red lights and go "oh shit". Now that I don't drink, I enjoy the drive home after a night out a lot more. Willie-O
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: JenEllen Date: 02 Sep 00 - 06:56 PM Yeah, "Lucky", same boat here. Plus, the morning after isn't nearly so nasty. When you wake up, look in the bathroom mirror, and think "Who the hell let Keith Richard into my house??" it's time to change your ways!! Doug, I wouldn't want to try and cheat the breathalyzer. A very basic tenet of survival is that you shouldn't base your survival on any piece of machinery that is smarter than you are. Get a designated driver..please? And be in one piece on Tuesday, okay? ~Elle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: WyoWoman Date: 02 Sep 00 - 07:19 PM and besides, Doug, what a great way to meet women. Just say, "Hi. YOu don't know me. My name is Doug-R-R-R-R-R and I'm not tipsy yet, but I might be. And because I'm a fun-loving, yet responsible guy, if I get in that condition, I'll need a designated driver. Can I count on you?" And she'll say, "Whoa....this guy knows how to have fun AND do the right thing! I'm THERE ..." Just thinking of your health and happiness! ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Jon Freeman Date: 02 Sep 00 - 07:32 PM There is only one way - don't drink and drive. I got banned for 12 months in 1981 but I have been a good boy ever since. I have never taken my test in a car and I don't often drive these days (I have driven thousands of miles on L plates in cars and on motorbikes in the past - just never took the test) but I had to do a lot of the driving from home to Norfolk (about 270 miles) a couple of months ago as my mother was tired. Much as I like a drink and I admit to having alcoholic tendencies, there is no way that I would have undertaken the journey if I had any alcohol to drink. One thing that must always be remembered is the amount of alchol that can still be in your system the morning after a heavy session. I remember somebody I worked with who actually drove the minibus to work getting breathalised at 10 am. He seemed fine to all of us when he drove us to work and did nothing wrong - it was just that he happened to meet a policeman who had been in the same club as him and had seen how much he had been drinking the night before (the excuse was "seemed to be walking funny" - true - he has a dodgy knee!) and he ended up showing twice the legal limit some 7 hours after he said he had drunk his last drink - a bottle of whisky! Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Barry Finn Date: 02 Sep 00 - 07:36 PM The breathalizer is known to make mistakes usually not in the favor of the breather either. Certain spices, medicines (inhalers espically), mouthwashes, etc can cause a higher reading, if you think you may have reason not to take it you can opt for a blood test which gives a better true reading. If you've had to much to drink & you still drive, you're no better than a gangbanger spraying a tec 9 out a car window during a drive-by. You might not get someone this time but maybe if you try hard enough you'll hit someone on your next attempt. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Bugsy Date: 02 Sep 00 - 08:01 PM If you can play the didgeridoo, you may be in with a chance. They say circular breathers can beat the breathalizer by inhaling and expelling fresh air into the machine. Best way though is to nominate a skipper or take a cab. Cheers Bugsy ps. if you get caught don't come here for sympathy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: CarolC Date: 02 Sep 00 - 08:27 PM DougR, You seem to me to be a man with a conscience. How do you think you would feel if you had too much to drink, got behind the wheel of your car, and killed my son (or anyone for that matter), in an accident caused by your being intoxicated? (Hoping everyone keeps that in mind this weekend), Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: okthen Date: 02 Sep 00 - 08:56 PM i can't remember all of this but the fuzz (remember that) pulled a guy over and asked for a breathe test, he then produced a document proving he was asthmatic and couldn't do so. they then asked him to walk a white line, whereupon he produced a doctors note to say he suffered from virtigo,and that test would not be valid. then they asked if he would be willing to provide a blood sample,again a doctor's note stated he was heamophiliac and they couldn't do that. so they said O.K. will you come down and give a urine sample,to which he produced a letter confirming he was a member of the british cricket team,so they decided not to take the piss. cheers bil |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Greg F. Date: 02 Sep 00 - 09:14 PM I've no sympathy with drunks behind the wheel. Period. Best way to 'beat it' is by acting responsibly- don't drink & drive. And if chose to drink & drive and get caught, PLEASE don't whine about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: WyoWoman Date: 03 Sep 00 - 12:30 AM Ok. Here's another one. You walk into the pub of your choice, pick out the woman who attracts you most and say, "You've had enough to drink now." And she says "What? This is my first drink ..." And you say, "Yes, but you'll be driving me home later ... " I've had that one used on me. Didn't work, but ... points anyway. ww
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Lepus Rex Date: 03 Sep 00 - 01:07 AM Like others have said, don't drink and drive. I've had two cars wrecked by drunks, and I've only been driving for like 5 years. Both times, the guys were too injured/covered in their own questionable blood for me to kick their asses, and the second one fled the hospital and disappeared (I'll get you yet, Lech Malinowski!) I think anyone caught drining drunk should have their liscense revoked for life. And have their car confiscated. (I thought this before my cars got wrecked, too) Don't people have anything better to do than to drink the juice of putrified vegetables? I mean, get a friggin' hobby or something. ;) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,A Mother and Member of M.A.D. Date: 03 Sep 00 - 01:28 AM DougR, Please forgive me, but I fail to see the logic and rationale of this particular instigated discussion. I agree entirely with those who state that the way to beat the breathalizer is to not drink and then drive, or if one does drink, leave your car where it is and either call a cab, or have a designated driver within your group of friends. The fact that you and your friends would contemplate schemes to "beat the breathalizer" is highly offensive to me, as a mother who lost a vital, vibrant 17 year old daughter to a drunk driver 3 years ago. Think about this DougR. Getting into your car drunk or even slightly impaired, makes you a bullet loaded into the chamber with a hair trigger cocked. The slightest reflex or momentary distraction can make you a murderer. Think about the potential misery caused to the affected family, and to your life, the next time you're about to suck on that penny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: sledge Date: 03 Sep 00 - 03:58 AM Drunk driving is a testament to stupidity. I am aware of several health proffesionals on this forum, and I am sure that they will back me up here, it is bad enough dealing with victims of an RTA, to deal with the innocent victims of some drunken cretin is so much worse. If a death is the outcome of such foolish behaviour DougR, would you happily take on the job of informing next of kin. If you drink and drive you deserve every penalty that the law is capable of dropping on you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Amergin Date: 03 Sep 00 - 05:53 AM and then some.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Banjer Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:59 AM Other than the fact that drinking and driving, or operating a vessel (quite frequent here in Florida, being a pennisula) is stupid, why is it that the phrase "Having a drink" automatically denotes alchohol? Many times I have been at various functions and have been asked if I would like a drink. I have received all manner of looks ranging from pity to disgust when I reply "Yes, do you have any soft drinks or other non alchoholic beverage?" This is not to say I am a teetotaler, but I will not drink alchoholic beverages knowing I have to drive soon. I'm sure there are others that think like me, but why are we made to feel like outcasts? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: sledge Date: 03 Sep 00 - 08:58 AM Banjer, You wouldn't be in my neck of the woods. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 03 Sep 00 - 10:29 AM As an Addictions professional I operate an Intoximeter on a regular basis. For those of you worried about a false positive reading, let me give you some important information. The machine works on the premise that there is a direct correlation between the amount of alcohol in the blood stream and the air held in the lungs. Alcohol easily passes through the tissue that allows oxygen into the bloodstream. The operator of the intoximeter should ask you to breath deeply and blow through the tube. The operator should let a few seconds pass before pressing the button for a reading. The object is to get a sample of the air that has been down in the lungs, that representative sample. If the operator does not wait those few seconds, the sample basically represents the air in the mouth, which has no correlation with the alcohol in the bloodstream. Recent drinks of alcohol-based potions or recent use of other alcohol based substance (cough syrup, mouthwash, etc.) will produce a positive reading that does not represent the amount of alcohol in the bloodstream. If you receive a reading that you believe is a false positive due to this "mouth alcohol", ask the tester to retest you in fifteen minutes. By that time, there will be no more alcohol floating around in your mouth. Then, if the operator still doesn't wait, you get a false negative. If the operator waits, then the reading should correlate well with your Blood Alcohol Level. Significant impairment in reflexes and perception begin to occur at 0.05% blood alcohol level. The higher the level, the more impairment. For the average person, what we perceive as drunk is a level 0.12 % or higher. Since most of us don't carry breath testing equipment with us the following information may provide some guidelines. First, a 12 oz. beer, a 6 oz. glass of wine, and a "shot" of liquor basically provide the same amount of alcohol to the bloodstream when imbibed. Secondly, how high this raises your blood alcohol level is affected by blood volume (roughly body size) and gender (women get higher levels because their systems do not break down the alcohol as fast as men). For most people, two drinks in one hour will put them above the 0.05 % level. It will take two hours for the body to process most of that alcohol. A reasonable guideline then is less than one drink an hour and nothing to drink two hours before driving. You got that class? How about you Doug R.? The above information does not constitute professional advice and I take no responsibility for results, good or bad. The only guaranteed technique is don't drink alcohol based beverages and don't use alcohol based medications. In the U. S., roughly 1/3 of adults don't drink at all; another 1/3 drink less than once a month; and a final third are what most people call the "drinkers". Out of these "drinkers", roughly 1/3 of them (15 % of the adult population) drink over 70 % of the alcohol sold (these are the "heavy drinkers"). Those who find themselves in the last category would be wise to adhere to the simple message "Don't Drive After Drinking." Cheers! Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Lox Date: 03 Sep 00 - 01:35 PM You prat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny Date: 03 Sep 00 - 02:45 PM Ignore the childish name-calling, and heed the concensus. And I would add: throw away your "radar detector" (you probably have one). Just as you have no right to endanger the lives of everyone else on the road by drunk driving, neither do you have a right to do so by speeding. Watch out for the yay-hoo's. Around here, the drunks are chiefly in pickups, and the speeders are in SUV's. Hope you make it through the holiday! == Johnny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 03 Sep 00 - 03:26 PM Thanks all. I agree with you 100%. I may have given the impression that I am a drunk, heavy drinker, whatever by posting this thread. I'm not. I assure you, I only posted it because I thought it would receive some comical replies. I realize now that it was not a good thing to do, and Max if you please, do what ever one does to send this Thread into the wild blue yonder. To those of you who were offended, I apologize. Rodger's comments, I believe, are worthwhile reading for anyone who drinks even moderately and I appreciate him posting them. And WyoWoman, I love your suggestions! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Mrrzy Date: 03 Sep 00 - 03:28 PM Oh come on, everybody. It was just a question. No need to get all preachy, anyone with any brain cells left knows better than to drink and drive. The question is still interesting, and although I personally don't commit this particular heinous act, I would be interested in a (real) answer. As an aside, the best way I've heard of is from a bunch of jokers who were drinking at a pub KNOWN to be watched by the cops. Just before closing, one guy tottered out, meandered to his car, wandered out of the parking lot, went oh-so-slowly down the street, and got pulled over about 2 blocks away. He passed the breathalizer. He passed the walk the line. He passed the touch your nose. He was totally sober - he was just the designated decoy! But of course that only works if you know the cops are there... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Sorcha Date: 03 Sep 00 - 03:44 PM Mrrzy, from my perspective, a lot of people still do drink and drive. The rationale seems to be: 1) I am not THAT drunk. 2) I won't get caught, it's only a few blocks home, 3) I know the cops, and they won't arrest me. Answers are: You are, you will, and they will. If you are lucky, that is. If you are not lucky you will eventually kill yourself or someone else.
There are new Intoximeters that no longer require the bottom of the lung air--they get a valid reading about half way through the breath. Also, generally, a person suspected of DWUI is required to wait 15 minutes under police supervision to make sure there are no "interfering agents" involved--cigarettes, mouthwash, onions, etc.
There is also another test called "astagmatic" (sp?) which measures the involuntary movements of the eye. This one is damn near impossible to beat, because it is not under voluntary control. And in Wyoming, at least, a refusal to take a breath test is an automatic guilty plea with 6 months suspension. A blood alchohol test may be requested in ADDITION to the breath test by the defendant, but not in lieu of. It is called "Implied Consent" and is right there on your driver's license. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Sep 00 - 03:45 PM To those of you who don't know Doug, I can assure you he is certainly not a bad guy and I don't think he expected the response to this thread. He is a kind, humane, person and I think his only vice is being Republican. Yeah, it was probably an ill-advised choice, but I DO believe he was looking for some humorous responses in the "Paw and Cletus" vein, but this subject is so near and dear to so many that its tough to see any humor in it at times. I am guilty of drinking and driving in younger days and why I didn't kill someone else or myself is anybody's guess. I've been on the other end of the scenario and the tragedy of losing someone throuh stupidity is too hard and a wate beyond all else. Sorry Doug.....I know you didn't mean to come off the way you did. I have always respected you and your opinions even when we have disagreed because I know they come from honest thought and beliefs...........except the Republican stuff. I think there are shots for that. Check with your doctor. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 03 Sep 00 - 04:49 PM Nope, you're right, Spaw! I didn't. And as far as my owning a radar detector, no. I don't. As far as my politics is concerned, I'm considering converting to the Green Party, Spaw. (but not seriously) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: CarolC Date: 03 Sep 00 - 06:08 PM DougR, Although you have probably experienced some discomfort as a result of starting this thread, I think you probably did a great service, inadvertantly, by posting it. Even though you may not need the words of wisdom contained in this thread, maybe someone who did need them has read it and will be affected by it in a positive way. I hope you feel better now. Best wishes, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 03 Sep 00 - 07:22 PM Thanks Carol, for those nice words. I hope you are right. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 04 Sep 00 - 04:23 PM Sorcha, I am not aware of them new Intoximeters. Could you send me a personal message about 'em? Please, pretty please? The visual nystagmus test goes like this. They place an upright finger (not the middle one you lame brains!) about eight inches in front of your nose. They then move it slowly to the left and back and to the right and back, asking you to follow the movement without turning your head. They watch your eyes. If you're sober, you usually can follow the movement with a smooth movement of your eye. If you have imbibed (or maybe done some illicit drugs) your eyes will follow the pencil in a start-stop movement. Follow for a while, stop, move quick to catch up, follow, stop, etc. It is pretty clear and as Sorcha says not under voluntary control. I have had one experience with being pulled over. It was interesting to me and perhaps to you. First, you need to know I suffer from obstructive sleep apnea. Untreated, it leads to prolonged REM sleep deprivation. The result is the ability to fall asleep at the drop of a hat (or even without the hat dropping). Just before I was diagnosed by a doctor (I had already self-diagnosed) I was driving my sons home. I had had nearly ten hours sleep the night before. I had taken a three hour nap that afternoon. But at 10 PM, I was nearly asleep at the wheel. Hell, I was probably sleeping off and on (denial dies very slowly) I know I was swerving. I was pulled over (I never saw him coming until the bubble gum lights came on). Now, as an addictions professional in a small county, the last thing I wanted was to step out of my car and take the old "drunk test." I was sure a client or a coworker would drive by. The trooper asked me if I had been drinking. I said, "No, I,m a teetotaller." Well he didn't know what that meant, so I explained I don't drink. He was unconvinced and asked me to step out of the car and walk to the rear. Well, I was feelin' mighty embarrassed about this time. The first test he tried was the visual nystagmus test. Well, I also suffer from an eye that has nearly "shut down" due to a birth defect (astigmatism). It frequently doesn't follow along with the other eye. So I failed that test. Fortunately the trooper then asked me to step into his car and take an Intoximeter test. I was overjoyed. I was off the highway and I was taking a test I knew I would pass. I passed and was issued a warning about swerving. It was know fun standing in the glare of the police car head lights and the flashing red and blue lights. It was hard to focus on the trooper and the task at hand. Gave me a real feel for what many of patients experience. Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Jimmy C Date: 04 Sep 00 - 08:37 PM My two children were T-boned by a drunk driver 2 years ago this month. Thank God they were not seriousle hurt, but a few more inches one way and at least one of them could heve been killed or badly maimed. People who drink and drive will get no sympathy from me nor will anyyone who tries to tell them how to beat the test. They deserve to be severly punished. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 05 Sep 00 - 01:09 PM Ya ya ya... don't drink and drive... yadda yadda yadda...
But I do have a pic of an article scanned from a newspaper somewhere of a guy, who tried to beat the breathalizer by eating the crotch out of his underwear.... That more the kind of story you were hoping to hear??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 05 Sep 00 - 02:05 PM Yep, Clinton, and I'll bet that guy met the same fate a guy would were he to rely on a penny, peanuts, or chocolate. But that's the kind of thing I was looking for. I still wish Max would kill the thread though. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Sailor Dan at work Date: 05 Sep 00 - 05:26 PM There are three kinds of DD's in this world 1. Designated Driver 2. Designated Drunk 3. Designated Dummy. As you can see, Nbr 2 & Nbr 3 go together, I spoke to my buddy who just retired as Deputy Director of the NJ Police Academy with 35 years of service. He says, anything you do to beat a breatholizer test only adds to the problems you will have. There is no way to beat it or make it read less then it should, especially if you have been drinking. Sailor DAn
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 05 Sep 00 - 05:35 PM I have it from good authority from a provincial cop, that the method I suggested over pints one night in her pub would work... But I'm not gonna say what the method is... Drunk drivers should be made to take public transit for 5 or 10 years at least... for a first offence... I will say this, there's a reason why the cop instructs you to "breath normally" for a few minutes before making you blow into the machine... {~` |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Jim Dixon Date: 05 Sep 00 - 06:03 PM How about this one: If you think you've drunk too much, try sleeping in your car for about 8 hours before driving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Sorcha Date: 05 Sep 00 - 06:21 PM Jim, if you do that, just don't sleep behind the wheel--technically, you are then "in control" of the vehicle, and can still be arrested, esp. if the keys are in the switch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie Date: 06 Sep 00 - 04:22 AM I'm Just Surprised nobodt has mentioned Jinmmy Crowley's Breathaliser Song:
With urine & blood-tests we're all in a right mess,
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Fortunato Date: 06 Sep 00 - 01:20 PM DougR, I think your thread raised some important issues, and I got something from it. Thanks. Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 06 Sep 00 - 06:23 PM Thanks, Fortunato, I hope SOME good came of it. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: CamiSu Date: 07 Sep 00 - 07:50 AM Doug, I can understand why you want this killed, but actually I think you may have done more of a service than you think. My family doesn't drink, and because that's known we are rarely offered anything alcoholic. We also have pretty much gotten beyond the 'looks of pity and disgust' given by those that are offering. Two of my children are 20 & 21, and have so far coped with the same pretty well. Jessica's HS parties were often here and it was nice because there was no issue at all, and so there was no pressure. She even goes to pubs in Scotland and manages not to drink alcohol. (One does have to have thicker skin where the non-drinkers are more of a minority). But it can be done, and you have much more fun, AND you remember it! I really appreciate that so many people don't drink these days, though I still worry when my kids are out driving on heavy drinking nights... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,LLCOOLJ@YAHOO.COM Date: 15 Dec 00 - 01:45 AM EAT A SPOON OF BLACK BEANS AFTER EACH BEER AND U WONT GET DRUNK, JUST BECAUSE THEY BREAK DOWN THE ETHANOL BEFORE IT ENTERS IN YOUR BLOODSTREAM L |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: InOBU Date: 15 Dec 00 - 08:09 AM One of the better ways is to have a rich father and then run for president, and loose in the popular vote, and the electorial colege votes and then have your brother and the supreme court steal the election for you, then have the secret service check to see that your driver is sober and you can get as faced as you want... at a christmas party of traffic court lawyers a few days ago, here in new york, the general consensus was that in his particular social placement, he would know enogh to plea bargin the court, so what did dubbleya plea down from to get a drunk driving conviciton, drugs? aw no of course not, he didn't do that in college... and if you believe that you will believe he carried fla. ;-} Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: alison Date: 15 Dec 00 - 08:26 AM It's a good time of year to raise the issue DougR even if you did cop some flack for it....... it may make someone else think... when I was 18 I watched my friend wiped by a drunk cop (he jumped a red light), and I knelt beside her in the road while she died... it is a picture I will NEVER forget...... but I also will never forget his smug smile when he walked over to me in the waiting room in court to say "sorry"... the bastard walked free..... I have no sympathy at all for anyone who drives while under the influence... I lost a friend.. but her family lost a lot more.... I'd hate to have to go through that for one of my kids...... and even more so I'd hate to have to live with that on my conscience... have a safe Christmas and New Year... slainte alison
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: InOBU Date: 15 Dec 00 - 08:48 AM Jeeze alison! Thanks for bringing this back to the serrious issue it is. There is not much to say about how we all send our best wishes at the memory, but we do, Slan agus beannact, Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Midchuck Date: 15 Dec 00 - 08:56 AM I hadn't read this thread when it was up before. The pattern for most of the people posting to it (including me) seems to be "I did it when I was younger, and I was lucky, but I don't now, and you shouldn't either." Where do you draw the line between the greater wisdom of maturity, and a double standard? Peter. P. S. We ought to have some rule about bringing the Bush/Gore thing, gratuitously, into a thread that has nothing to do with it. Maybe a rule that if a guy does it, he has to sleep with Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Gore, and make conversation with each of them.... P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Kc Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:26 AM Well, It seems 2 me that U have all stoped drinkin' an a drivin' a long time ago. I'm only 17, and here in Britain i'm old enough to drive, or ride ( i've got a 50cc scooter), I've read most of this thread (it took ages) but even before i read it i decided when i got my scooter that i would not touch one drop of alcohol if i had to ride home that night. Many a friend of mine has driven drunk, and not been caught. Personally i'm disgusted with it. It just proves how irresponsible they can be. I don't know what they'd do if NEthing ever happened, like trashin the car or hittin' someone. I hope they never do it again. Most of em promised not 2 but i don't believe half of em. Kc |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Grab Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:54 AM Maybe a rule that if a guy does it, he has to sleep with Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Gore, and make conversation with each of them.... Mrs. Bush looks a bit boring, but rock chick Tipper would be much more fun! And you never know, maybe they both go like trains... Re KC, I'm sure it's a factor of society. As you know (but the US catters may not), in Britain we have anti-drink-drive ads on TV which are designed to shock (the most recent ones are using actual police footage of the clean-up operation). The result is that over time, the message has got through that drinking and driving is not socially acceptable, or it's too dangerous to risk it, so there's much less tolerance of it. Certainly it still happens over here, but it's not as common as it was, and it's certainly not something you'll hear ppl telling jokes about now as you used to. Whether the same is true in the US, I don't know. Grab.
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Gary T Date: 15 Dec 00 - 10:11 AM Grab, I think we in the U.S. are getting there slowly. Slowly. Kc, you've made a good decision. I doubt anyone's ever regretted staying sober to drive. It's the Russian Roullette principle--there's only a 15% chance of having a problem, but if you're in that unlucky 15%, you have 100% of a problem, and a big one at that. |