BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 12:09 PM

North Korea has carried out a drill using live artillery near its disputed border with the South, according to official media.
The exercise was personally supervised by leader Kim Jong Un, who has issued a series of inflammatory threats against South Korea and the U.S. in recent days.
The drill is the latest sign of worryingly high tensions between the neighbours after North Korea cancelled the ceasefire signed at the end of the Korean War.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 03:21 AM

If we do very little, to nothing, Iran and Saudi Arabia will be going at it..directly and/or indirectly, (they are ideological/religious enemies)....and guess what?....the American public will get behind drilling here..that way the Kissinger deal would be broken, and nobody would give a fuck.
If China REALLY wanted Korea to cool it, that would have already happened, so that deal will be sealed through economic advantage, to China...though we may be forced to pay or export shit to Korea....just so we have to borrow more from China....so China will be OWED the newly drilled oil, because we're drilling here...and Saudi Arabia got burned...but they're having to deal with Iran, and what would appear to be their 'domestic unrest'(Sponsored by Iran.......and the CIA...but VERY discreetly)....Shhhh!!

Got that????

...and the beat goes on....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 09:39 PM

Here is an extremely interesting article from yesterday's Toronto Star, written by Thomas Walkom, the Star's national affairs columnist. It made me aware of some history from the Korean War that I didn't know about, and that I suspect almost all North Americans don't know about...because their media hasn't bothered to tell them.

Read on:

It's Time to End the Korea War


Being even-handed and factual, the article points out the misdeeds of both sides in that war, the various betrayals of signed agreements that have occurred, South Korea's refusal to sign on to the original armistace that was signed by North Korea, the USA, and China. This article goes a long way toward explaining why both sides have problems with each other and legitimate concerns, and why the only sane thing to do is properly address those concerns and work for peace.

I quote from the article:

"The ceasefire of 1953 was not a deal between North and South Korea. South Korean president Syngman Rhee refused to sign on.

Rather it was an arrangement signed by commanders of the main military forces at war in the peninsula — the Americans on behalf of the United Nations Command (which included Canadian troops) and the North Koreans on behalf of their own soldiers and so-called Chinese volunteers.

The armistice set the demarcation line between territory controlled by the North Koreans and territory controlled by the UN Command.

That dividing line was supposed to be temporary. The armistice called for negotiations to begin within three months on a comprehensive political settlement for the peninsula.

And it called for all foreign troops — UN and Chinese — to be eventually withdrawn.

The Chinese did withdraw, as did the Canadians, British and most other UN forces. But the Americans, at the behest of the South Korean government they had set up, stayed. They are still there.

In violation of the armistice, the U.S. arbitrarily set the maritime boundary between the two Koreas. Between 1958 and 1991, the U.S. armed its forces in South Korea with nuclear weapons, another violation.

So when Pyongyang says, as it did this week, that the terms of that armistice have been breached by the UN side, it is not entirely inaccurate."

Walkom assigns blame to both sides in various ways in his article, but what really intrigued me was what he said above, because it's not what our mainstream media have been making us aware of since the 1950s. They've conveniently chosen instead to focus on other matters instead and they've swept what Walkom talks about under the carpet...meaning under the public radar, so to speak. They did this for propaganda purposes, certainly not for any purposes of genuinely informing the public in North America.

Our news does not exist to inform. It exists to manufacture consent, and to establish who our "evil enemies" are so we'll support wars, if those wars are deemed "necessary" by our masters, meaning the people who make those decisions.

I'm sure this is also true in North Korea and China. Obviously. Which is to say...their leaders are approximately as ruthless, self-interested, and dishonest as ours are.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 02:41 PM

The problem with nuclear weapons is that hitting your enemy with them is fairly easy because anywhere you hit causes lotsa carnage. The problem is explaining to your friends later why all the shit you blew up is landing in their backyards.

NK's leader is 'different' and in some ways makes me feel edgy, kinda like watching a very young child put his hand into a blender while keeping his other hand real near the pulse button.

I think Kim Jong-un needs a father-figure in his life and I think Obama missed a great opportunity to talk basketball with him and if not become a father figure at least become an older brother.

Interesting that NK has become the enemy while the threat remains elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 12:44 PM

(Reuters) - Iran has significantly stepped up military support to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in recent months, solidifying its position alongside Russia as the government's lifeline in an increasingly sectarian civil war, Western diplomats said.

Iranian weapons continue to pour into Syria from Iraq but also increasingly along other routes, including via Turkey and Lebanon, in violation of a U.N. arms embargo on Iran, Western officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity. Iraqi and Turkish officials denied the allegations.

Iran's acceleration of support for Assad suggests the Syrian war is entering a new phase in which Iran may be trying to end the battlefield stalemate by redoubling its commitment to Assad and offering Syria's increasingly isolated government a crucial lifeline, the envoys said.

It also highlights the growing sectarian nature of the conflict, diplomats say, with Iranian arms flowing to the Shi'ite militant group Hezbollah. That group is increasingly active in Syria in support of Assad's forces, envoys say.

Alireza Miryousefi, spokesman for Iran's U.N. mission, responded to a request for a comment by saying, "We believe Syria does not need any military help from Iran."

Syria's U.N. ambassador, Bashar Ja'afari, had no specific comments on the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:51 AM

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Raising tensions with South Korea yet again, North Korea cut a military hotline that has been essential in operating the last major symbol of inter-Korean cooperation: an industrial complex in the North that employs hundreds of workers from the South.
There was no immediate word about what cutting one of the few remaining official North-South links would mean for South Korean workers who were at the Kaesong industrial complex. When the link was last cut, in 2009, many South Koreans were stranded in the North.
The hotline shutdown is the latest of many threats and provocative actions from North Korea, which is angry over U.S.-South Korean military drills and recent U.N. sanctions punishing it for its Feb. 12 nuclear test. In a statement announcing the shutdown, the North repeated its claim that war may break out any moment.
Outside North Korea, Pyongyang's actions are seen in part as an effort to spur dormant diplomatic talks to wrest outside aid, and to strengthen internal loyalty to young leader Kim Jong Un and build up his military credentials.
South Korean officials said that about 750 South Koreans were in Kaesong on Wednesday, and that the two Koreas had normal communications earlier in the day over the hotline when South Korean workers traveled back and forth to the factory park as scheduled.
Workers at Kaesong could also be contacted directly by phone from South Korea on Wednesday.
A South Korean worker for Pyxis, a company that produces jewelry cases at Kaesong, said in a phone interview that he was worried about a possible delay in production if cross-border travel is banned again.
"That would make it hard for us to bring in materials and ship out new products," said the worker, who wouldn't provide his name because of company rules.
The worker, who has been in Kaesong since Monday, said he wasn't scared.
"It's all right. I've worked and lived with tension here for eight years now. I'm used to it," he said.
Pyongyang's action was announced in a message that North Korea's chief delegate to inter-Korean military talks sent to his South Korean counterpart.
Seoul's Unification Ministry called the move an "unhelpful measure for the safe operation of the Kaesong complex."
North Korea recently cut a Red Cross hotline with South Korea and another with the U.S.-led U.N. command at the border between the Koreas. The Unification Ministry said only three telephone hotlines remain between the North and South, and those are used only for exchanging information about air traffic.
Kaesong is operated in North Korea with South Korean money and know-how and a mostly North Korean work force. It provides badly needed hard currency in North Korea, where many face food shortages.
Other examples of joint inter-Korean cooperation have come and gone. The recently ended five-year tenure of hard-line South Korean President Lee Myung-bak saw North-South relations plunge. Lee ended an essentially no-strings-attached aid policy to the North.
North Korea last cut the Kaesong line in 2009, as a protest to that year's South Korean-U.S. military drills. North Korea refused several times to let South Korean workers commute to and from their jobs, leaving hundreds stranded in North Korea. The country restored the hotline and reopened the border crossing more than a week later, after the drills were over.
Shinwon Group, a South Korean apparel maker with a factory at Kaesong, said it would call its workers on Thursday morning to check on them. Shinwon's South Korean employees stay in Kaesong for two weeks before returning to Seoul. Workers at Kaesong talked by phone with the Seoul office Wednesday morning, but there was nothing unusual about the call, said spokesman Lee Eun-suk.
Lee said that the last time the phone line was cut off between Kaesong and Seoul, it was "inconvenient" but did not affect business.
North Korea's actions have been accompanied by threatening rhetoric, including a vow to launch a nuclear strike against the United States and a repeat of its nearly two-decade-old threat to reduce Seoul to a "sea of fire." Outside weapons analysts, however, have seen no proof that the country has mastered the technology needed to build a nuclear warhead small enough to mount on a missile.
In a sign of heightened anxiety, Seoul briefly bolstered its anti-infiltration defense posture after a South Korean border guard hurled a hand grenade and opened fire at a moving object several hours before sunrise Wednesday. South Korean troops later searched the area but found no signs of infiltration, and officials believe the guard may have seen a wild animal, according to Seoul's Defense Ministry.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 09:31 AM

North Korea is "not a paper tiger" and its repeated threats to attack South Korea and the U.S. should not be dismissed as "pure bluster," a U.S. official has warned.
On Friday, the isolated communist state put its rocket units on standby to attack U.S. military bases in South Korea and the Pacific, Reuters reported, after two nuclear-capable stealth bombers flew from Missouri to drop inert munitions on a range in South Korea as part of a major military exercise.
North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un "judged the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation" at a midnight meeting of top generals, official KCNA news agency said, according to Reuters.

The U.S. official, commenting about the latest threats from the North, emphasized the danger posed by its military and the unpredictable nature of its 30-year-old leader.
"North Korea is not a paper tiger so it wouldn't be smart to dismiss its provocative behavior as pure bluster. What's not clear right now is how much risk Kim Jong Un is willing to run to show the world and domestic elites that he's a tough guy," said the official, who asked not to be named. "His inexperience is certain -- his wisdom is still very much in question."
There were a mass demonstration in support of Kim involving tens of thousands of people in the main square of North Korean capital Pyongyang Friday, The Associated Press reported. Placards read "Let's crush the puppet traitor group" and "Let's rip the puppet traitors to death!"
'War for national liberation'
The state-controlled KCNA also published an article that said the "opportunity for peacefully settling the DPRK-U.S. relations is no longer available as the U.S. opted for staking its fate. Consequently, there remains only the settlement of accounts by a physical means." DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the North's official name.
Slideshow: Glimpses into the hermit kingdom of North Korea

"A battle to be fought by the DPRK against the U.S. will become a war for national liberation to defend the sovereignty and dignity of the country and, at the same time, a revolutionary war to defend the human cause of independence and the justice of the international community," the article by "news analyst" Minju Joson said.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted a South Korean military official as saying that there had been "increased movement of vehicles and forces" at missile launch sites in the North. "We are closely watching possibilities of missile launches," the unnamed official said.
North Korea routinely issues hostile statements but analysts have noted recent remarks have become more belligerent. In December, the North carried out a long-range rocket test and then detonated a nuclear bomb in a test earlier this year.

North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has issued almost daily threats, including the threat of nuclear strikes on Washington, D.C., and Seoul. In addition, Pyongyang has put its troops on combat readiness, warning that war "may break out at any moment." NBC's Ian Williams reports.
At a daily news briefing Friday, China's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hong Lei said China was calling for an easing of tensions.
But some fear the situation could be getting out of control.
"It seems that Kim Jong Un is in the driving seat of a train that has been taken on a joyride," Lee Min-yong, an expert on North Korea at Sookmyung Women's University in Seoul, told Reuters.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 09:40 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said on Thursday that North Korea's provocative actions and belligerent tone had "ratcheted up the danger" on the Korean peninsula, but he denied that the United States had aggravated the situation by flying stealth bombers to the region.
"We have to take seriously every provocative, bellicose word and action that this new young leader has taken so far" since coming to power, Hagel told a Pentagon news conference, referring to Kim Jong-un.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 09:42 AM

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iran, Syria and North Korea on Friday prevented the adoption of the first international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade, complaining that it was flawed and failed to ban weapons sales to rebel groups.
To get around the blockade, British U.N. Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant sent the draft treaty to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and asked him on behalf of Mexico, Australia and a number of others to put it to a swift vote in the General Assembly.
U.N. diplomats said the 193-nation General Assembly could put the draft treaty to a vote as early as Tuesday.
"A good, strong treaty has been blocked," said Britain's chief delegate, Joanne Adamson. "Most people in the world want regulation and those are the voices that need to be heard."
"This is success deferred," she added.
The head of the U.S. delegation, Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Countryman, told a group of reporters, "We look forward to this treaty being adopted very soon by the United Nations General Assembly." He declined to predict the result of a vote but said it would be a "substantial majority" in favor.
U.N. member states began meeting last week in a final push to end years of discussions and hammer out a binding international treaty to end the lack of regulation over cross-border conventional arms sales.
Arms control activists and human rights groups say a treaty is needed to halt the uncontrolled flow of arms and ammunition that they say fuels wars, atrocities and rights abuses.
Delegates to the treaty-drafting conference said on Wednesday they were close to a deal to approve the treaty, but cautioned that Iran and other countries might attempt to block it. Iran, Syria and North Korea did just that, blocking the required consensus for it to pass.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had told Iran's Press TV that Tehran supported the arms trade treaty. But Iranian U.N. Ambassador Mohammad Khazaee told the conference that he could not accept the treaty in its current form.
"The achievement of such a treaty has been rendered out of reach due to many legal flaws and loopholes," he said. "It is a matter of deep regret that genuine efforts of many countries for a robust, balanced and non-discriminatory treaty were ignored."
One of those flaws was its failure to ban sales of weapons to groups that commit "acts of aggression," ostensibly referring to rebel groups, he said. The current draft does not ban transfers to armed groups but says all arms transfers should be subjected to rigorous risk and human rights assessments first.
'HELD HOSTAGE'
Syrian Ambassador Bashar Ja'afari echoed the Iranian concerns, saying he also objected to the fact that it does not prohibit weapons transfers to rebel groups.
"Unfortunately our national concerns were not taken into consideration," he said. "It can't be accepted by my country."
North Korea's delegate voiced similar complaints, suggesting it was a discriminatory treaty: "This (treaty) is not balanced."
Iran, which is under a U.N. arms embargo over its nuclear program, is eager to ensure its arms imports and exports are not curtailed, diplomats said. Syria is in a two-year-old civil war and hopes Russian and Iranian arms keep flowing in, they added.
North Korea is also under a U.N. arms embargo due to its nuclear weapons and missile programs.
Russia and China made clear they would not have blocked it but voiced serious reservations about the text and its failure to get consensus. A Russian delegate told the conference that Moscow would have to think hard about signing it if it were approved. India, Pakistan and others complained that the treaty favors exporters and creates disadvantages for arms importers.
If adopted by the General Assembly, the pact will need to be signed and ratified by at least 50 states to enter into force.
Several diplomats and human rights groups that have lobbied hard in favor of the treaty complained that the requirement of consensus for the pact to pass was something that the United States insisted on years ago. That rule gave every U.N. member state the ability to veto the draft treaty.
"The world has been held hostage by three states," said Anna Macdonald, an arms control expert at humanitarian agency Oxfam. "We have known all along that the consensus process was deeply flawed and today we see it is actually dysfunctional."
"Countries such as Iran, Syria and DPRK (North Korea) should not be allowed to dictate to the rest of the world how the sale of weapons should be regulated," she added.
The point of an arms trade treaty is to set standards for all cross-border transfers of conventional weapons. It would also create binding requirements for states to review all cross-border arms contracts to ensure arms will not be used in human rights abuses, terrorism or violations of humanitarian law.
The main reason the arms trade talks took place at all is that the United States - the world's biggest arms exporter - reversed U.S. policy on the issue after President Barack Obama was first elected and decided in 2009 to support an arms treaty.
Washington demanded that the conference be run on the basis of consensus because it wanted to be able to block any treaty that undermined the U.S. constitutional right to bear arms, a sensitive political issue in the United States. Countryman said the draft treaty did not undermine U.S. rights.
The National Rifle Association, a powerful U.S. pro-gun lobbying group, opposes the treaty and has vowed to fight to prevent its ratification if it reaches Washington. The NRA says the treaty would undermine domestic gun-ownership rights.
The American Bar Association, an attorneys' lobby group, has said that the treaty would not impact the right to bear arms.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 08:48 PM

This could get bad.

North Korea now says it is in 'state of war' with South Korea
By Agence France-Presse
Friday, March 29, 2013 20:28 EDT

North Korea announced Saturday that it had entered a "state of war" with South Korea and would deal with every inter-Korean issue accordingly.

"As of now, inter-Korea relations enter a state of war and all matters between the two Koreas will be handled according to wartime protocol," the North said in a joint statement attributed to all government bodies and institutions.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: ollaimh
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 09:41 AM

maybe no one. just maybe it's time for America to stop the military adventures. they only make the most neanderthal regressive corporations rich and impoverish the people with un repayable debt.

let dream a bit. America never overthrows mozedegh, and iran never has the shah's torture state. rather iran becomes a stong social democratic nation and never has the ayatollah, not the republican guard. gee then the use never has to get involved in Iraq and Afghanistan.

let china deal with north korea, and let iran work out it's own problems, and eventually their hate for American interference in their country will subside.

the leaders America thows up are not well enough informed about the world to make usefull decisions. the intervention in iran, and Iraq backfired. the only place where they still are effective at military intervention is latin America and that only to establish genocidal torture states. how abou intervention in pennslyvannia to rebuild manufacturing, or in Arizona and surrounding states to protect and conserve water resources, and maybe an intervention to bring war criminals to the world court, whether allies , americans or enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 09:42 AM

Looks like bruce has contracted an acute case of postarrhoea.

Paregoric may be in order.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 05:29 PM

Interesting that NK has become the enemy while the threat remains elsewhere.

Hmmm....... kinda like Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Vietnam. And.......

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Apr 13 - 08:27 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 08:54 PM

Israel has seized a ship carrying advanced Iranian weapons made in Syria that was heading towards Gaza.

BBC
The Panamanian-flagged vessel was boarded by Israeli naval commandos in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

They found M-302 surface-to-surface missiles that were flown to Iran before being loaded onto the ship, it added.

Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist movement that governs Gaza, strenuously denied any involvement.

It accused Israel of concocting a story to "justify the blockade" of the coastal territory.

Israel tightly controls its border with Gaza, restricting what is allowed in for what it says are reasons crucial to its security. It also maintains a naval blockade. Egypt blockades Gaza's southern border.

Critics say the blockade is tantamount to collective punishment.
'Unaware of cargo'

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the shipment was a "clandestine operation" by Iran, and added that the weapons would have been used against Israel.
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The IDF said it had tracked the weapons for several months as they were flown from Damascus to Tehran and then taken to a port in southern Iran.

From there, it added, they were placed onto a civilian vessel, the KLOS-C, which sailed to Iraq, where containers of cement were added. The ship was eventually intercepted while on its way to Sudan.

The vessel is being brought to the Israeli port of Eilat, where the 17-member crew will be questioned and the weapons unloaded.

IDF spokesman Lt Col Peter Lerner said the crew had appeared to be unaware of their cargo and were not suspects.

The BBC's Yolande Knell in Jerusalem says Israeli television is showing footage of what appear to be commandos inspecting a large rocket in a ship's hold.

The IDF noted that this was not the first ship smuggling arms that it had stopped, but that it was "distinguished by the lethality and quality of its cargo".

News of the rockets being seized comes during the visit of Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the US.

Israel has accused Iran of arming groups such as Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah.

More than 60 rockets fired from the Gaza Strip have hit Israel since the start of last year, Israel says.

Hamas denies that it has fired any rockets since a 2012 ceasefire agreement with Israel, with other Gaza-based groups claiming responsibility.

However, Israel says it hold Hamas responsible for any attacks from Gaza and has repeatedly launched air strikes, causing several deaths of militants and civilians.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Aug 14 - 08:42 AM

Iran will not give UN nuclear inspectors access to a military base outside Tehran that they have been seeking to visit since 2005, Defense Minister Hossein Dehgan said on Saturday.

Read more: Iran refuses IAEA access to Parchin base | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-refuses-iaea-access-to-parchin-base/#ixzz3BDTr6vlm

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:35 AM

"UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The medium-range Emad rocket that Iran tested on Oct. 10 was a ballistic missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead, which makes it a violation of a United Nations Security Council resolution, a team of sanctions monitors said in a confidential new report.

"On the basis of its analysis and findings the Panel concludes that Emad launch is a violation by Iran of paragraph 9 of Security Council resolution 1929," the panel said in its report.

"

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-irans-oct-10-missile-test-violated-u-141351540.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:54 AM

You'd know all about violations of UN resolutions, wouldn't you Bruce? Your poster boys leading (or misleading) the Israel government can give you lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:05 AM

Saul Alinskys rules for radicals:
RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
Men?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:39 AM

Has Israel ever violated a Security Council Resolution, like this one?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:45 AM

If ya gotta ask, Professor, there's little point in anyone responding.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:46 AM

So no then.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:03 PM

Well, Profssor, since you are intellectually and constitutionally unable to do research for yourself, this one time, I''ll start you off. Plenty more where this came from.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3i.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:18 PM

Anti-Semitism in the UN

UN, Israel & Anti-Semitism

Israel at the UN
A History of Bias and Progress

Australia is right to challenge the UN's anti-Israel bias

UN chief admits bias against Israel

Continuing Anti-Israel Bias at UN

End the Israel-bashing at the United Nations

The UN and Israel: A History of Discrimination

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:26 PM

So many people got it so wrong in this thread. Most of the rest used the thread to post news agency releases without additional comment. I note that BeardedBruce "agreed" with Little Hawk four years ago that they both wanted peace, justice, freedom and happiness for everyone. Unfortunately, he failed to complete the sentence, leaving out the two crucial words "except Palestinians".

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:29 PM

A secret U.S. policy has blocked immigration investigators from reviewing the social media messages of all foreigners applying for U.S. visas - including that of San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik - it has emerged.

The revelation comes after U.S. officials learned that Malik, who received a fiancee's visa last May, posted extensive social messages the FBI said included talk of Jihad and martyrdom.

John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis, told ABC News that immigration officials were not allowed to 'use or review social media as part of the screening process' when he was there last year.

ABC reported that one current and one former senior counter-terrorism official confirmed Cohen's account of the refusal of the Department of Homeland Security to change its policy.  

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 02:43 PM

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:28 PM

The SC resolutions are directed at both sides of conflicts involving Israel, not just Israel, typically demanding a cessation of hostilities, observance of cease fires, and such.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:32 PM

So secret that a loser on Mudcat has heard of it.

nothing to see here except bigotry towards Muslims from some idiot safe from reality in Canada and his cheerleader in Hertford.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 06:28 PM

Safe from reality inCanada , very stupid comment, if I may be allowed to say so. but, ignorance should never e underestimated!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:15 PM

Hmm. I never want to see threads shut down, but let's see if Islamophobia gets a better run than challenges to Christian proselytising.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:53 PM

And more of the same from you.......sigh!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:55 AM

Philosophical discussions generally consist of productive debate in which two or more people attempt to rationally argue for different sides of a question. They each try to think up and explain a logical argument in support of their position while constructively trying to offer logical rebuttals of the other person's position. Though called arguments, the philosophers generally have a lot of respect for each other and enjoy having the discussion in a friendly tone. In fact, it becomes very difficult to have a worthwhile philosophical discussion without a lot of respectfulness and friendliness. 

Unfortunately, sometimes one person may use an ad hominem argument. An ad hominem argument consists of replying to a person's argument by merely attacking the character of the person making the argument. An ad hominem argument is also called a personal attack or an irrelevant insult. For example, if Joe claims that the sky is blue, Bob would be making an ad hominem argument if he responded by saying, "No, it isn't because you are an ugly moron." 

An ad hominem is a fallacy, and it is illogical. Worse yet, it may cause the discussion to break down into an unproductive name-calling contest. 

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 09:11 AM

Twenty-one Senate Democrats have asked President Obama to not ignore Iran's second ballistic missile test, which was conducted last month.

"If there are no consequences for this violation, Iran's leaders will certainly also question the willingness of the international community to respond to violations of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and UN Security Council Resolution 2231," the Dems note in the letter sent to the president today.

It was signed by Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Ben Cardin (D-Md.) as well as Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).

....

"The November test is Iran's second recent violation of UNSCR 1929, which clearly states 'Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology.' Clearly, the Security Council should take appropriate enforcement action against Iran in the face of this violation. On this matter, we recognize and appreciate United Nations Ambassador Samantha Power's ongoing efforts to build support to enforce consequences for the October 10 ballistic missile test by referring the issue to the Iran Sanctions Committee and advocating for a forceful response by the UN Security Council. However, in the time it took the Panel of Experts to make a determination on the first violation, Iran tested another ballistic missile."

The Senate Democrats told Obama that "in the absence of a UN Security Council commitment to enforcing UNSCR 1929, we request that you take action unilaterally, or in coordination with our European allies."

"Such action is essential to make clear to Iran's leaders that there will be consequences for future violations of UN Security Council Resolutions and that the United States reserves the right under the JCPOA to take unilateral action in response to this and other significant actions by Iran in the areas of ballistic missile development, terrorism and human rights."

At a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing today, Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), another "no" vote on the Iran deal, told State Department officials that there's "a very clear sense – and I hope I'm wrong – that what we have here is a permissive environment."

"What we got really was a process in the JCPOA that gave Iran the easy out by really just simply answering questions as they wanted to without really fully coming clean," Menendez said.

Menendez was told that the administration is "seriously considering" a response.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2015/12/18/21-senate-dems-to-obama-take-action-over-iran-missile-tests

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 09:59 AM

" suspect multiple identities here."
Me too - I wonder if BB watched the 'Storyville' programme on television a couple of weeks ago based on recorded interviews carried out by two kibbutzniks, Amos Oz and Avraham Shapira, with Israeli soldiers who had taken part in the Six Day War - I doubt it - not his sort of thing.
The recordings were made within two weeks of the war and around a dozen of the soldiers were interviewed, had what they had said played back to them and were asked to comment.
The original interviews had participants describing the massacre of Arab prisoners and prisoners being being forced to bury those executed and then being executed themselves.
They described the triumphant army routinely destroying Arab settlements that had taken no part in the war - one soldier said it left him with a greater understanding of what it had felt like to experience The Holocaust and two others made the same comparison between the Six Day War and what had happened at the hands of the Nazis.
The triumphalism and persecution that went with the taking of Jerusalem was contrasted with the propaganda newsreel showing happy elderly Arabs smoking hookahs and peacefully sunning themselves.
One of the programme makers, Israeli writer, Amos Oz, stated at the end that the soldiers (which included himself) had told it the way it was, without exaggeration.
The programme is REVIEWED HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:17 AM

More about decent peoples' opinions about GregF and Steve's best buds...


"The UN General Assembly criticized Iran and condemned North Korea over human rights violations in resolutions adopted by the 193-nation body."



http://news.yahoo.com/iran-north-korea-come-under-fire-un-over-031611248.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:19 AM

Virginia district cancels school over Islamic lesson
Friday, December 18, 2015

VERONA, Va. (AP) — Schools in a Shenandoah Valley county in Virginia were closed Friday and a weekend holiday concert and athletic events were canceled amid an angry backlash about a school lesson involving the Islamic faith.

Augusta County school officials were alarmed by the volume and tone of the complaints, including some from outside Virginia, according to news reports. In response, additional police were stationed at county schools Thursday.

The outcry in Augusta County comes against the backdrop of a steady drumbeat of anti-Muslim rhetoric by politicians and a nationwide wave of hate crimes targeting Muslims, including physical assaults and acts of vandalism and arson at mosques and Muslim-owned businesses.

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PS:

Good to have you back, BSBruce! The slime content here has been woefully inadequate of late.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:23 AM

GregF,

Thanks for the info- now look at the figures for hate crimes and note the significant majority are against Jews- That YOU have encouraged.



BTW, whenever you make my name BSBruce I will make yours Greg the rat fucker.

Seems like a FAIR EXCHANGE. You have never demonstrated that any of my statements or presented facts were false, just that YOU did not like them.



The truth is out!

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:10 AM
...we really are too much of a bunch of thick and ignorant "Muppet lefties" ...

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:31 AM

Religious bias

Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,092 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

    58.2 percent were anti-Jewish.

    16.3 percent were anti-Islamic (Muslim).

    6.1 percent were anti-Catholic.

    4.7 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.

    2.6 percent were anti-Protestant.

    1.2 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.

    11.0 percent were anti-other (unspecified) religion. (Based on Table 1.)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 11:18 AM

"All checkable."Disagreeing" with verifiable facts is called denial."
Just what I think - a bit overwhelmed by your response to self-confessed Israeli atrocities
You are flooding this thread with pesonal abuse and Islamophobia and you are in denial of the fact that Israeli right-wing militancy is not only the cause of a good deal of what is happening in the world today, but it also poses one of the greatest threats with its toxic mix of religious zealotry, it policy of expansionism into the lands of others and its possession of nuclear weapons - heads down lads - more abuse on the way
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:01 PM

Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fearmongering tactics) or trust will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion, in respect to the former, or a positive opinion, with respect to the latter, about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to believe. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:44 PM

"Schools in a Shenandoah Valley county in Virginia were closed Friday and a weekend holiday concert and athletic events were canceled amid an angry backlash about a school lesson involving the Islamic faith"

Are you saying no lesson about Islam should be questioned or complained about?

Not to describe the lesson is an omission of facts.

What was the lesson?

What lessons do they teach in Islamic schools about the Christian faith?

Please elucidate and demonstrate your intelligence.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:46 PM

Yeah, right. In your own words now... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:47 PM

That was intended for the 05.01 nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 06:32 AM

I will not join this one, but I have seen your programme Jim and kept it for reference.
I do not fully agree with your assessment of it.
I expect we will end up discussing it some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 06:39 AM

"I do not fully agree with your assessment of it."
'Course you don't Keith - why would you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:22 AM

It is clear that the name calling bullies here are not interested in logic or intellect.
KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 4, 2015 — Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria reminded federal ministers yesterday against issuing statements based on logic and intellect when it comes to Islam, claiming that the intellect is influenced by desires and subsequently susceptible to the devil.

In a report carried by Malay daily Sinar Harian, the Perak mufti also warned Muslim ministers against deriding and belittling Islamic laws, as they risk breaching their oath of loyalty that was made in the name of Allah.

"I advise them not to go overboard. Islam is based on faith… Don't make any remarks based on the intellect or logic because they are laws of Allah," Harussani said.

"The intellect is governed by desires and it is influence by shaitan (satan). Don't be ruled by desires and rudderless comments," he added, using the name of the Devil in Islamic lore.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:42 AM

School chief Shahid Akmal told an undercover Mirror reporter that "white women have the least amount of morals", white children were "lazy" and that British people have "colonial blood".

Akmal claimed that women were "emotionally weaker" than men and that their role was to look after children and the home.

He defended jailing or exiling gays and adulterers under Sharia Law as a "moral position to hold".

Until last week, Akmal was the chairman of governors at Nansen Primary School in Birmingham, where music was banned and inspectors found pupils were not sufficiently protected from radicalisation.

The hardliner revealed he has plans to set up a series of after-school tuition centres to instil "our morals and our values and our principles" in impressionable youngsters.

Over a series of meetings with our reporter, Akmal made a string of extraordinary statements and defended Brits fighting in Syria and Iraq as "freedom fighters".

In a defiant attack, Akmal claimed the Government wanted to keep Muslims "suppressed" so they are easier to control.

Our exposé comes after a leaked official report found there was a "sustained, coordinated agenda to impose segregationist attitudes and practices of a hardline, politicised strain of Sunni Islam" on children

A scathing assessment from schools inspectors Ofsted found that Akmal's board of governors were "overly controlling".

Music had been removed from the timetable and children were "not prepared for life in modern Britain".

Posing as a wealthy Asian ­businessman, our reporter approached Akmal's training firm Exquisitus as a potential client.

Over a number of coaching sessions in London hotels, Akmal revealed his deep hostility to the modern British way of life. He revealed: "My grandfather refused to let us speak English at home. "He said, 'You leave English at the door. When you come inside you speak your own language'.

A scathing assessment from schools inspectors Ofsted found that Akmal's board of governors were "overly controlling". Music had been removed from the timetable and children were "not prepared for life in modern Britain".

Posing as a wealthy Asian ­businessman, our reporter approached Akmal's training firm Exquisitus as a potential client. Over a number of coaching sessions in London hotels, Akmal revealed his deep hostility to the modern British way of life.

He argued that girls should be taught skills such as cooking and sewing while boys should be taught trades like construction and mechanics. Akmal attacked women who became "high flying" politicians: "She has to sacrifice her family, she has to sacrifice her children, she has to sacrifice her husband, all in the name of equality. "And there are so many marriages that have broken up because of this." He admitted that women can be as intelligent as men but added "emotionally women are much weaker... they are not on the same level".

Akmal dismissed a boycott of businesses owned by the Sultan of Brunei over the death penalty in the Middle Eastern country for homosexuality and adultery. He said: "The thing is, it's his right and it's his country, so why shouldn't he?"

Akmal said that homosexuals, adulterers and "fornicators" who have sex outside marriage should be exiled from their community. "The Koranic concept is that anyone who causes disruption in the community, even if you put them in prison, from prison they can continue to cause disruption as well," he said. "So the best thing to do is to actually exile them so that the community can remain solid and united. It's a moral position to hold."

He attacked what he called "man-made" British law as "very confusing" and defended laws "given by God" as "fair even though you may not understand it".

Akmal appeared to defend British Muslims joining rebels in Syria and Iraq, despite official warnings of a terrorism threat when they return to the UK. He said: "The fact that he has gone there to fight, they say that he is supporting terrorists. Because they don't believe in the freedom fight."

He said: "They basically don't want the children to do any better because they will demand education, they will demand better qualifications, they will want to go to Oxford and Cambridge and that's a white only place. "Very few non-whites go there. They want to keep us suppressed. "It's easier to control. If you get ­education you get a mind. When you get a mind, you ask questions. They don't like that."

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said: "This investigation backs what I have been trying to fight against.The hardline ideology which put poison in our classrooms"

The schools had a "narrow Islamic-focused curriculum", with evidence of misogynistic, homophobic and antisemitic teaching material, Wilshaw said. Of the three, the only one to be named is Bordesley Independent School, where inspectors found dirty mattresses and a lack of running water in conditions described as unhygienic and filthy.
Sir Michael Wilshaw said he was concerned organisations received "confusing and unhelpful" advice from the Department of Education that they can continue to operate while applying to register.
In a letter to Education Secretary Nicky Morgan, he warned: "This sends out an entirely wrong message of what the DFE perceives to be acceptable practice".
It is thought around 800 pupils across the country are being taught at these schools, which cater to Muslim communities as well as some other faiths. It is the second time in a month that the Ofsted chief inspector has written to Morgan to express alarm over the issue.
The founders of three unregistered schools in Birmingham could face being jailed after the Education Secretary demanded Ofsted prepares prosecution cases against them.
He reported "serious fire hazards, including a blocked fire escape and obstructed exits" and "inappropriate books and other texts including misogynistic, homophobic and anti-Semitic material".
He said such schools were "a serious and growing threat to the safety and wellbeing of hundreds of children in several English regions". "Ofsted's work to ensure that all maintained and independent schools promote British values is being seriously undermined by the growth of these settings".
EXTREMISTS running Islamic schools could be jailed under new powers of prosecution to be given to schools inspectors. Mrs Morgan said: "Tackling extremism in all its forms is a key priority of this Government and since 2010 I have taken robust steps to tackle unregistered schools and improve safeguarding".

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:01 AM

There are a few million Muslims here. It's easy to find extremism and it is also easy to shut it down. Imams and community leaders normally working with the authorities to do so.

I went to a normal school yet I recall RE lessons where the teacher, who was also a Methodist minister told us that homosexuality was a sin and that a return to biblical judgement was what society needed.

Funnily enough, I thought he was talking shit, even at 12 years old. I assume my many Muslim friends and colleagues had a similar experience. Whilst the hate shit from so called Christians in the western world persists, the evil bastards who use Islam as a tool will have many young disillusioned men with no prospects lining up. After all, what do they have to lose?

Oh. In reply to the op. Korea. Make sure the pilot googles the right Korea though. No one will give a shit and even China will be giggling through their rehearsed outrage.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:04 AM

"It is clear that the name calling bullies here are not interested in logic or intellect."
Nope - they're not interested in Islamophobia gone viral Bruce.
If Islamist terrorism is down to the religion, so are the atrocities carried out in Israel in th name of Judaiam - Bruce (by nay other name, but smelling just as unsavoury)
Jim Carroll