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Subject: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:16 AM Be scared black folks. "They're going to put y'all back in chains." The Democrats are the ones that had the black people in chains. Republicans got them out of chains. Obama wants to put the black people back in the chains of poverty so they will dependent on government handouts. "I'll have those ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years" says it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Charmion Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:35 AM Troll alert! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:53 AM Truth alert! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Greg F. Date: 15 Aug 12 - 09:20 AM Fourteen Karat Bullshit Alert! (Goes without saying) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Dave Hanson Date: 15 Aug 12 - 09:35 AM Moron alert more like. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 09:59 AM Our resident literalistic troll steps in with the usual hypocritical self righteous indignation... Only someone with a mind so narrow that you can't get a feeler gage in it wouldn't plainly see that Obama was speaking figuratively... Normal day here in Mudville... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bill D Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:04 AM "Republicans got them out of chains." That was the name of Lincoln's party. The roles & attitudes of the Republicans & Democrats have almost totally reversed since the 1880s, culminating with the 'Dixiecrats' in the 1960s. Lyndon Johnson presided over the final transformation. Any serious sudent of history understands this. Those who would reinstate poll taxes, Gerrymander voting districts to limit minority members of congress and pass Draconian immigration laws are now largely Republicans. "Obama wants to put the black people back in the chains of poverty so they will dependent on government handouts." That amount of BS needs hip boots to wade thru. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:08 AM Don't bring up Dixiecrats, Bill... Saws doesn't believe they ever existed... Might of fact, Saws doesn't understand that the parties swapped ideologies... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Greg F. Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:18 AM Saws is just channelling the well-known asshole Allen West today. Ignore him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:32 AM Ah yes... BTW, Greg... Allen West wants you to know that you and I are communists... Just thought you needed to know that... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:32 AM Well slap my fanny and roll me over in the mud. Looks like we all got the blue! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:43 AM Sorry for interrupting this important thread/news update, but I am Canadian and have been informed that fanny has a different meaning in the UK. Here it is an overly cute method of saying ass or in UK speak, arse. What I should have said is "Well slap my ass and roll me over in the mud." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Greg F. Date: 15 Aug 12 - 11:22 AM Allen West wants you to know that you and I are communists... Just thought you needed to know that. I was aware of that Bobert & not just you & me! And that's one of his saner(?) pronouncements. His quote: "I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party." But thanks for the reminder. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,nobody in particular Date: 15 Aug 12 - 11:52 AM How were you doing, then? as compared to now? and you gluttonous pigs, play political soccer games while the rest of the civilised world suffers, in YOUR chains! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Aug 12 - 12:22 PM A person with two clocks never knows what time it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Elmore Date: 15 Aug 12 - 04:07 PM For the GOP to make a fuss over this metaphor gives me hope that they may be desperate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Don Firth Date: 15 Aug 12 - 04:28 PM Sawzaw, where do you get this crap? And why do you feel compelled to fling it a people who know it's crap? Have you any idea how that makes YOU look? Jeez, man, get a life!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Don Firth Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:41 PM Granted, GUEST, for the most part it is a waste of time and energy—if one's purpose is to try to convert the crap-flingers to the world of facts. It ain't gonna happen. But my concern is that there are some who, if someone doesn't point out that it's crap, and why it's crap, are naïve enough to accept what the crap-flinger says as actually the case. If bullshit is not identified AS bullshit, along with WHY it's bullshit, some folks may accept it as Gospel. Those who delight in spreading propaganda and misinformation would prefer that it go unchallenged. By the way, I don't devote my life to this sort of thing. I do most of my work, political and otherwise, in the real world. As, I think, do most of us. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:42 PM What a fucking wanker sorearse is. Any fule no that today's Republicans (taken en masse) have one main objection to Obama - namely that he is an uppity nigra. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Don Firth Date: 15 Aug 12 - 06:02 PM Got it in one, Richard!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 06:58 PM As for the National debt clocks... Had the Supreme Court allowed democracy to play out in 2000 we wouldn't be having this discussion... The Bush t6ax cuts would have never happened... Two unfunded wars wouldn't have happened... There's reason to believe that 9/11 wouldn't have happened... Yeah, the Supreme Court and their boy, Bush, are 100% responsible for the deficits... 100%!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: pdq Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:02 PM Just because Joe Biden said something that you don't like does not mean that he did not say it. He did say it. That is a fact. "At a campaign rally in Danville, Va., Biden quoted Romney as saying that 'in the first hundred days he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules -- .'unchain .'Wall Street. "'They're going to put y'all back in chains .'Biden added, presumably referring to Romney and new running mate Paul Ryan. At the end of his speech, Biden told supporters that, with their help, he and President Obama 'can win North Carolina again.'" {note: Biden was speaking to a crowd in Virginia} |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:17 PM Biden got 90% of it right... Ahhhh, correct... D- in geography... Glad I ain't him... I'd probably get an F... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: katlaughing Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:17 PM The usual, useless "debate" about politics...it's enough to make a person give up and not give two cents about any of it. IMO, there needs to be one main thread for each party/candidate/etc. Postings would be confined to them, if political in nature. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:18 PM Click here for the statement from Biden. I suppose Joe could have chosen his words more judiciously, but his lack of judiciousness is part of his charm. It seems that nowadays, they choose vice presidential candidates especially for their lack of judiciousness. Still there are elements of raw truth in what Biden says, and what Sawzaw says. They clearly differentiate the two philosophies, and show that the voters have a clear choice. If you vote Republican, you believe that business is the best protector of humankind. If you vote Democratic, you think government can do that job more reliably. I'm starting to wish we could go back to the good old days when people complained that all the candidates were saying the same thing and you couldn't tell one from the other. This polarization is killing us. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:30 PM Sorry, Kat, but part of the Republican plan is to discourage people from voting because people say they are sick of it... Most of the people who are sick of it ain't Republicans... Think about it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:37 PM Sawzaw* you don't understand history. The Republican party of Lincoln did a flip flop (yes, they did) and shifted to the party they are today some decades after Lincoln's death. The Democratic party now most closely resembles what the Republican party was 150-some years ago. But you don't care about that, you just want to muddy the waters. SRS *Earns a Pants on fire rating for this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:00 PM "wouldn't plainly see that Obama was speaking figuratively" Blind Bobert does not know that it was Biden that said this. "Republican party of Lincoln did a flip flop" Horse shit. That is a fairy tail dreamed up by guilt ridden Democrats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:13 PM Listen, Saws... Everything that Biden says ya'll blame on Obama... Who cares??? Do you have a point to make or just passing gas??? Didn't think so... You are just another Melba Milk-toast Obama hater... ((((Yawn)))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:15 PM 'unchain .'Wall Street. The word he actually used was unshackle but what someone actually said does not matter to Joe the fumbler. Biden was speaking to a 50% black audience. He refers to them as Yall and saying back in chain s means he was referring to someone who had been in chains. It is another blatant example of the Democratic party using black people for their own political gain, not treating them as humans but rather as a tool. If you listen to black people responding to the remark they say "oh yes he was talking about black people". This is dog whistle politics at it's best. Biden put on his best condescending black ministers voice when he said "Unnnn-chain Wall Street" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:20 PM I've read Biden's words. They seem very accurate. What's to criticise? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:31 PM Sawzaw, just because you don't understand American history that doesn't make it not so. That is a fairy tail dreamed up by guilt ridden Democrats. And that is full strength high-octane bullshit. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:33 PM Wilder, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, echoed indignant denunciations from Republicans Nation's first elected black gov, Virginia's Wilder, blasts Biden for his 'in chains'' commentWashington PostRICHMOND, Va. — The nation's first elected black governor, Virginia's L. Douglas Wilder, lambasted Vice President Joe Biden on national television Wednesday for his remark to a largely black crowd about banks keeping people "in chains." Wilder, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, echoed indignant denunciations from Republicans, including presumptive presidential nominee Mitt Romney, that Biden's comment at a Tuesday rally in Danville, Va., injected race into the presidential contest. In warning that the Republican ticket would roll back President Barack Obama's regulations reining in banks and investment firms after the 2008 stock market meltdown, Biden said Romney intended to "unchain Wall Street." Then, Biden added, "they're going to put y'all back in chains." Romney fired back Wednesday, saying Obama's re-election campaign "is all about division and attack and hatred." Obama's campaign called Romney's response "unhinged." Wilder, known within his own party for an independent streak that sometimes borders on contrarian, was interviewed separately by Fox News and later CNN. "Without question they were appeals to race," Wilder told CNN. "And if you don't argue with that, then you understand that, then the next question is why? Why do you feel you need to do that? But the more important thing that I got out of this was Biden separated himself from what he accused the people of doing. As a matter of fact what he said is, they are going to do something to y'all, not to me, not us. So he was still involved with that separate America. And I'm sick and tired of being considered something other than an American." Wilder also said he doesn't believe Obama would associate himself with, nor make, the remarks that Biden made. "The president doesn't need this now,' Wilder said. "The president needs to be a part of bringing people together. Wilder, also a former Richmond mayor, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would have made a better Obama running mate and called on Biden to "cool it, back up" and admit that he was wrong. "If Hilary were on that ticket today, based on the job she's done as secretary of state, I think there would be a clearer advantage the president would be seeing," said Wilder, who was elected Virginia's governor in 1989 and briefly ran for president in late 1991. "It's not going to happen. It's too late. I think she'll be getting herself together for 2016." "What the president needs to do is to disassociate himself from trying to show anybody that division is what this administration is about," Wilder told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. In an interview later with The Associated Press, Wilder said Biden's comment gratuitously preyed on emotionally freighted and painful imagery from the South's slaveholding past. Danville, once a booming textile and tobacco city on the North Carolina border, was the final seat of a collapsing Confederate government on the run, forced to flee Richmond as it fell to Union troops in 1865. "Why did he feel the need to do that?" Wilder told the AP. "Did he feel that these people were so dumb that he had to appeal to them with something like that? You can forgive people for gaffes, but there comes a time when you realize you're forgiving the same guy for making the same mistakes." Obama defended Biden in an interview with People magazine on Wednesday, saying the vice president's remarks meant consumers would be worse off if Republicans succeeded in doing away with new restraints on financial institutions. "In no sense was he trying to connote something other than that," Obama said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Bobert Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:48 PM So, when confronted, Sawz goes to his default position of cut and pasting yet more right winged crap... Yo, Sawz... You are a coward... No two ways about it... You stalk me with all kinds of ballgames and dishonesty in quoting me out of context and then when people come at you you "run like pigs from a gun"... Coward and liar... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 12 - 10:56 PM Ah, yes....Son, you're too young to remember this; but I remember a day, not too long ago, when there were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats - not that I liked the conservative Democrats.... I guess the last liberal Republican was Colin Powell. If he weren't a general, the Republicans would have tarred and feathered him by now. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Aug 12 - 11:00 PM "just because you don't understand American history that doesn't make it not so." Little Rock Akansas: Governor Orville Faubus tried to block little lack girls from going to school. He enforced segregation using the Arkansas National Guard. Eisenhower sent in the 101st Airborne Division to enforce integration. Republican Flip Flop Myth Busted again. Democrats flip flopped and try to take credit for the things Republicans did for black people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Aug 12 - 11:51 PM Indeed many Republicans did vote in support of desegregation, and many southern senators voted against it. The problem however is that there are no more Republicans like Senator Dirksen around these days. What Republicans did or didn't do 45 years ago hasn't got any commerce with what Republicans are doing now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 12 - 12:26 AM There is nothing inherently racist about the "unchain...back in chains" remark, unless one chooses to have buttons on one facet of the expression only. Your kind, Sawz, seems to make a living twisting words out of context, altering their meaning and then waving your arms and screaming about your imaginary meanings. Twist and shout, baby, twist and shout. It is a downright scatterbrained substitute for meaningful politics, but I guess you gotta use the little you got, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Don Firth Date: 16 Aug 12 - 12:28 AM History, Sawzaw. History! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Aug 12 - 12:31 AM He's not bothering with history, Don, he's making most of this up as he goes along. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Henry Krinkle Date: 16 Aug 12 - 04:49 AM If it does not fit, you must acquit. (:-( D)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Aug 12 - 04:58 AM Unchained Melody. Unchain my Heart Take these Chains from my Heart Chain of Fools Chain Gang Workers of the World unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains These are of course, Sorearse, all references to nothing but ethnicity. And as for the "chain" as a measure of length! What a fule you be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Henry Krinkle Date: 16 Aug 12 - 04:59 AM I just want to know who's responsible for all the cheap, shoddy Red Chinese crap filling our store shelves. I'd like to put them in chains. (:-( O)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Aug 12 - 07:57 AM Amos screams "Your kind, Sawz, seems to make a living twisting words out of context" and Amos makes a living doing ??? "It's a divisive tactic that's insulting to African Americans,"(CNN) â€" Artur Davis, the former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama, said Wednesday that Vice President Joe Biden was propagating "racial viciousness" when he said Mitt Romney's regulatory policies would "put y'all back in chains."Davis, who is black, said the comment smacked of a type of divisiveness he said was all too common in the South. "It brought back memories for me," Davis told Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "The Situation Room." "It brought back memories of these Democratic politicians in the South, who think they can go before crowds and say one thing and nobody else will hear it, and they'll somehow get a cheer in the room and that they can blithely go on about their business." Saying Biden went to a place he "never should have gone" in his remarks, Davis called the vice president's words insulting. "It's a divisive tactic that's insulting to African Americans," Davis said. "It's insulting to the American people. I don't know exactly what racial 'viciousness' is supposed to mean. It seems to me enslaving people is a form of viciousness, not reminding people that it once happened. Is he saying slavery is off limits as a topic of discussion because it is an unpleasant reminder, or merely that is a pandering applause line. Because (even as Wolf Blitzer points out), it doesn't stay in the 'quiet room', there are TV cameras everywhere and it went viral immediately. I happen to have spoken to a few African-American audiences in my time, represented a predominantly African-American district," Davis said. "I know what Joe Biden was doing yesterday, and every black person in the room knew who the 'y'all' was, they knew what the chains were about, and they knew what the metaphor was." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Greg F. Date: 16 Aug 12 - 08:12 AM Question: Why do people keep interacting with this turd? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 12 - 04:27 PM Twist and shout, baby. I quite agree that Biden should have chosen some other figure of speech. But all it was was a figure of speech; it was used extensively during the labor movement ascension between the 10's and the 40's, to describe the condition of ecomic repression of the blue-collar class, regardless of color. But I notice with interest that none of your twist and shout crew chose to recall that context as the applicable one, even though it seems pretty clear to me. Why doncha ask Joe Biden what he was implying instead of all this wild-ass guessing and asserting? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Aug 12 - 05:35 PM I'd settle for duct-tape if it would shut Sawzall up. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: GUEST,999 Date: 16 Aug 12 - 07:02 PM While I seldom agree with Saws, I will not join the "he's a troll" crew, nor will I denigrate him. It's become quite fashionable of late to designate anyone with whom one disagrees as a troll. He, as do we all, says some things that are from the viscera and not the brain. That doesn't necessarily make us trolls. Think about Joe McCarthy; he did exactly the same thing: "If your mother is a commie then you have to turn her in." The tap-dance I see here so often is one of 'in order to support Obama I have to at least not talk about his screwups'. Then it descends to talk about "you don't like Obama because he's Black" horseshit. NO. If you ask me--which I realize you haven't--I don't like Obama because he signed into law the right of a free people to have no 'due process': fundamental to that right is habeas corpus. I do not give a rat's ass that the budget had to go through, Obama was egregiously wrong to sign it. Maybe he won't ever use it, but the door is now open for some fuck-head Republican to do so. The historical 'reversal' of Dems and Repubs political positions is fact. It is not a matter of opinion. When it becomes a matter of opinion, it is no longer history. That said, it also doesn't matter. Today, Republicans are desperately trying to give America back to the bankers, multinationals and moneyed interests, expecting no doubt to have their treason rewarded with a ticket to be in the group that gets to control the USA and all its people. Democrats don't seem to be that much better given that half of both the House and the Senate are millionaires. We forget quite easily it seems Lincoln's remarks on September 18, 1858 (I remember the date because my birthday is one day before (and sometimes I feel in the same year)): "From 4th Lincoln/Douglas Debate, 1858 I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146." From even that snippet alone, I submit that Sawzaw is as allowed to and worthy of his opinion as is anyone else. He too loves his country. ##################################### Different but similar: I live in Quebec, Canada. I am an English Quebec-born man and there is a provincial election coming up in early September. I have three 'viable' parties from which to choose: PQ (Parti Quebecois) led by Marois; Liberal led by Charest and a new party called the CAQ led by Legault. The PQ wants separation from Canada, the CAQ wants to wait ten years and the Libs want to win. There is no one to vote for in the viable category, so I'm hoping a Marijuana Party or Rhino Party is in my voting district. Else, I shall go and print bad things on my ballot and give no one my X. (Makings of a C+W song there.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: CET Date: 16 Aug 12 - 08:31 PM I'm having some difficulty in understanding how one could imagine that Biden did not mean to refer to the chains of slavery. Sure, he might have wanted to make the point that the Republicans would put ordinary Americans in thrall to corporate interests, but he did say "y'all" and "back in chains". I don't think it was much more than overheated political rhetoric, but he did say it, and he deserves to take some heat for it. Recognizing that doesn't mean giving credence to Sawz. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains From: Greg F. Date: 16 Aug 12 - 08:55 PM Bruce- I don't think its Sawz's opinion that gets up peoples' noses, but the lies, half-truths and absolute bullshit he uses in an attempt to substantiate his opinions. Ad Daniel Patrick Moynihan reminded us: Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. As an aside: I know you are aware that the Lincoln of 1864 was not the Lincoln of 1858. |
